Are there going to be incoming changes to the item set [Earthgore]?

Glory · January 2018

One of the upcoming changes many expected was a rebalancing of the Earthgore set. ZOS announced that they were looking into the set, stating in this post that they also found it to be overperforming.

As of the 3.3.0 Patch Notes there has been no mention of the set being rebalanced. I am curious whether we will see any balancing during this update, or if the set will continue to overperform.

Some personal opinions I have:

The cooldown on the set is fine. It is the healing combined with ground negate component that is overperforming.
There have been many discussions across various boards about whether it is the healing or the negate component that are too strong (some say both). I personally believe the healing component is what is overperforming, but welcome thoughts regarding this issue to be discussed further here.

I'd love to see others' thoughts on whether this set should continue to exist in its current state, or if most agree that the set needs rebalancing this update.

On the off chance that you haven't seen the set in its current state:

Adenoma · January 2018

I feel like most everyone is onboard with changing earthgore. It just was skipped in the PTS. I thought it was even acknowledged in the December combat changes?

BigBadVolk · January 2018

ye it was, but like frag nerf and such it will be come in the following week maybe

OutLaw_Nynx · January 2018

Imagine it will come next PTS.

Tasear · January 2018

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

Recremen · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

IDK if you mean in PvE, but in PvP land it's kind of gamebreaking.

Morgul667 · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

The problem is that it is way too strong in PVP, and boost zergs even further

Tasear · January 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

The problem is that it is way too strong in PVP, and boost zergs even further

Reduce healing by 40% more in pvp if it's a pvp issue. Would even help tank drama in another thread.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2018

What about Vicious Death now that AoE caps no longer exist?

Morgul667 · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

The problem is that it is way too strong in PVP, and boost zergs even further

Reduce healing by 40% more in pvp if it's a pvp issue. Would even help tank drama in another thread.

would be nice, if only ZOS agreed to balance PVE and PVP separatly...

IxSTALKERxI · January 2018

Make it so it does not remove enemy ultimate's. Make it a single target heal instead of AoE.

Tasear · January 2018

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Make it so it does not remove enemy ultimate's. Make it a single target heal instead of AoE.

Like all other useless helms...for healers.You can still be hurt by sorc negate. It's counter play to some powerful ultimates. It's only counter play sorc negate. It's fine.

IxSTALKERxI · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Make it so it does not remove enemy ultimate's. Make it a single target heal instead of AoE.

Like all other useless helms...for healers.You can still be hurt by sorc negate. It's counter play to some powerful ultimates. It's only counter play sorc negate. It's fine.

It makes every ground targeted ultimate in the game useless in PvP...

HoloYoitsu · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Make it so it does not remove enemy ultimate's. Make it a single target heal instead of AoE.

Like all other useless helms...for healers.You can still be hurt by sorc negate. It's counter play to some powerful ultimates. It's only counter play sorc negate. It's fine.

Mind explaining how negate counters EG when EG itself auto negates negates - along w/ any other ground placed effects, and the EG heal does not count as a ground placed effect and is thus not negateable?

ccfeeling · January 2018

Just destroy it in the game , no more pvper complains .

HoloYoitsu · January 2018

As an aside: yes, Gina did seem to fairly explicitly signal incoming earthgore nerfs last month...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’re also beginning to look at ways to improve group combat in Cyrodiil, particularly when groups of varying sizes fight each other. Some specific concerns we’ve been looking into include:

[*] Not enough effective options to deal damage to clustered groups from afar
[*] Earthgore is too powerful in group vs group battles
[*] Not enough diversity in Ultimate choice
[*] Large groups can have players take on specialized utility roles, reducing counter-play options against them

We’re still talking about what exactly we’ll be doing, but once we have a better idea of the direction we’re taking, we’ll include it in one of the next combat updates.

So, if EG isn't being reworked before this thing goes live I'd say we at least deserve some communication about why not.

Berenhir · January 2018

Just remove the healing component or make it comparable to the healing morph of negate. 2k/sec HoT or sth

Glory · January 2018

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

As an aside: yes, Gina did seem to fairly explicitly signal incoming earthgore nerfs last month...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We’re also beginning to look at ways to improve group combat in Cyrodiil, particularly when groups of varying sizes fight each other. Some specific concerns we’ve been looking into include:

[*] Not enough effective options to deal damage to clustered groups from afar
[*] Earthgore is too powerful in group vs group battles
[*] Not enough diversity in Ultimate choice
[*] Large groups can have players take on specialized utility roles, reducing counter-play options against them

We’re still talking about what exactly we’ll be doing, but once we have a better idea of the direction we’re taking, we’ll include it in one of the next combat updates.

So, if EG isn't being reworked before this thing goes live I'd say we at least deserve some communication about why not.

Agreed, this thread is pretty much just looking for communication. It's considered a bane of PvP to many people, so I think hearing ZOS's initiative on the matter would be great!

Glory · January 2018

The latest update:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Earthgore: This item set’s proc now only dispels one enemy Area of Effect ability in its radius, instead of all of them.

Thoughts? I strongly doubt that leaving the significant heal alongside the ability to still negate 1 effect will make any group drop the set. It's still ridiculously strong...

umagon · January 2018

They most likely will not lower the healing portion of the set by any significant amount. Because if they did it would lower its desirability and its power advantage is partly driving sells of the dlc where it can be obtained. I cannot see them changing it much if zos is still making profit off it.

Hiero_Glyph · January 2018

umagon wrote: »

They most likely will not lower the healing portion of the set by any significant amount. Because if they did it would lower its desirability and its power advantage is partly driving sells of the dlc where it can be obtained. I cannot see them changing it much if zos is still making profit off it.

Agreed. How long has stam warden been dominating PvP now? You would think that they would have made some balance changes in the first 2 weeks of PTS to get some player/gameplay feedback but it looks like they want to keep milking the cash cow until the next chapter releases.

Quantum_V · January 2018

Agreed with Glory. Make it so it heals 2-3 players at max throught a longer time period so the Healing Per Second is decreased. I think this solution might not gamebreak PvE and fix the set in a PvP scenario.

Smmokkee · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

It's fine. Only decent healer monster helm.

The problem is that it is way too strong in PVP, and boost zergs even further

Reduce healing by 40% more in pvp if it's a pvp issue. Would even help tank drama in another thread.

Ewww