Set pairings with Twice Fanged Snake. ( Stamina Nightblade )

Doriangray · January 2018

I have been trying to farm Vicious Ophidian set, I managed to get all the body pieces, but weapon/jewel drops are almost non-existent. What would be the best sets to pair with Twice Fanged Snake in terms of DPS and Veteran Mael arena aside from Vicious Ophidian?! Currently, I am running 2 veli/kragh, Nightmother's and Leviathan.

Mazbt · January 2018

do you have twice fanged jewellery? I would go hundings/twice fanged, with your fav monster set. Make hundings weapons (DW, and bow if you don't have maelstrom bow, maelstrom otherwise), and 3 armor pieces. Since you have nigihtmothers you can use that as well. If you don't have two fanged jewellery try briarheart or leviathan.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

Hundings, if you need to use jewelry, briarheart

Runefang · January 2018

If you need jewellery try vengeance of the leech for vma. Lower dps but good survivability for vma.

Then monster set and 2 piece of something else.

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

Definitely not Leviathan. For any build. Ever.

TFS is great, except for perhaps vet trials. Dependent on your cp (piercing), if someone is wearing NMG, Sundeflame, Alkosh, crusher enchant, you’ll likely end up over-penetrating and just losing DPS.

That being said. DPS wise you’ll get your highest parse with TFS/Hundings,or VO dependent on your sustain . You’re right on though on all the other sets. Like healer’s and tanks, optimized vet trial runs will have a stam in NMG, Sunder, maybe Morag, War Machine, and personally, I have a set of Alkosh I wear as a stam dps so the tank doesn’t have to (I’m right there in the thick of things anyway, let him wear something with more value).

So answer: it depends. But the above sets are the bread and butter of Stam sets. You’ve got the cream of the crop.
Note- TFS/VO makes VERY FAST work in VMA

Doriangray · January 2018

Thanks, yeah I feel like the extra crit from the leviathan is overrated a little bit... specially when I am not using potions. I do have the Jewels from two fanged snakes. So ultimately, the best set to run with twin fanged snake aside from vicious , would be Hunding's rage? Not spriggan or night mother?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

Doriangray wrote: »

Thanks, yeah I feel like the extra crit from the leviathan is overrated a little bit... specially when I am not using potions. I do have the Jewels from two fanged snakes. So ultimately, the best set to run with twin fanged snake aside from vicious , would be Hunding's rage? Not spriggan or night mother?

You are getting a ton of pen already, so you really don't need more. You need weapon damage.

Doriangray · January 2018

Thanks all, this has been helpful. One last question, what traits should my weapons have? I am thinking
Dual:
Nirnhoned ( poison enchant )
Pierced ( Weapon Damage enchant )
bow :
Nirnhoned ( damage poison ix)

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

You want infused off hand. It reduces the cool down on the main hand enchant too.

Doriangray · January 2018

I can also do body pieces of vicious ophidian, with something else as jewels and weapons. I have the jewels of two fanged snake but not the weapons yet.

Asardes · January 2018

TFS is not that good in vMA especially on NB since your main spammable skill also adds major fracture (5.3K resistance debuff) and you probably have around 4K penetration from CP. Most mobs in vMA have around 9K resistance and die fast enough that is hard to fully stack TFS on them.

For dungeons, vDSA and unoptimized trial groups TFS is good though. You should pair it with pure DPS sets like Hunding's or Briarheart for optimum results. Also VO can work if you can get the weapons.

Doriangray · January 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

You want infused off hand. It reduces the cool down on the main hand enchant too.

Someone just reported that as a bug. Thoughts? I really don't want to waste gold tempers on something they are going to change in the next patch.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381115/bug-infused-trait-on-offhand-reduces-cooldown-of-main-hand-enchant

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

Doriangray wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

You want infused off hand. It reduces the cool down on the main hand enchant too.

Someone just reported that as a bug. Thoughts? I really don't want to waste gold tempers on something they are going to change in the next patch.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/381115/bug-infused-trait-on-offhand-reduces-cooldown-of-main-hand-enchant

Tempers are not that expensive, you ought to have plenty of time to get some if they do change it. I would still use infused on your from bar regardless, that is an extra ~460 weapon damage when it procs. Better then 3.5% crit.

TheRealSniker · January 2018

aye bruh, briarheart is dogsh!t and you never pair TFS with something like hundings for optimal builds, any trial set like vicious ophidian or warmachine tops hundings with just the 5% minor slayer bonus.
Vicious ophidian is dogsh!t compared to warmachine for an incap spamming stamblade so BiS setup would be TFS + Warmachine, ignore dat goofy seal.
Best Monstersets for stamblades are following: Kraghs and Selenes, velidreth is acceptable but has bad single target

for vma you could go Vicious ophidian + TFS tho for the extra sustain, but it will never be as bursty as warmachine

I havent ever seen any good leviathan build, NMG is good for group optimization but crap for soloplay!

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

TheRealSniker wrote: »

aye bruh, briarheart is dogsh!t and you never pair TFS with something like hundings for optimal builds, any trial set like vicious ophidian or warmachine tops hundings with just the 5% minor slayer bonus.
Vicious ophidian is dogsh!t compared to warmachine for an incap spamming stamblade so BiS setup would be TFS + Warmachine, ignore dat goofy seal.
Best Monstersets for stamblades are following: Kraghs and Selenes, velidreth is acceptable but has bad single target

for vma you could go Vicious ophidian + TFS tho for the extra sustain, but it will never be as bursty as warmachine

I havent ever seen any good leviathan build, NMG is good for group optimization but crap for soloplay!

For VMA, definitely do NOT go War Machine. You need to activate a synergy for that to work, and you can’t activate your own synergy’s...(VMA buff synergies do NOT count for War Machine, FYI). VO will always be a staple here. You can pair with whatever you like. Spriggans, Hunding, and yes, even Briarheart (it is FAR from awful). When it procs, which it does often, your hits will be providing crazy amounts of healing. That’s from all damage sources (caltrops, arrow hail, etc.).

Selene’s is good for PvP, but PvE you’ll find the most dps and utility from Veli and Krag. Kragh’s is “okay” because few fights, except perhaps last bosses in trials, you’ll be standing exactly stationary attacking. You should be roll dodging to mitigate damage, reviving, positioning. Kragh’s second piece has a VERY small window directly in front of you by which to hit enemies. Whereas Veli - I’ve been knocked flat, and had Veli proc from my body and kill a group of enemies in front of me.

Any NMG is not crap for solo play. Still a very viable crafted set. Ignore pretty much everything from the previous post.

Runefang · January 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

aye bruh, briarheart is dogsh!t and you never pair TFS with something like hundings for optimal builds, any trial set like vicious ophidian or warmachine tops hundings with just the 5% minor slayer bonus.
Vicious ophidian is dogsh!t compared to warmachine for an incap spamming stamblade so BiS setup would be TFS + Warmachine, ignore dat goofy seal.
Best Monstersets for stamblades are following: Kraghs and Selenes, velidreth is acceptable but has bad single target

for vma you could go Vicious ophidian + TFS tho for the extra sustain, but it will never be as bursty as warmachine

I havent ever seen any good leviathan build, NMG is good for group optimization but crap for soloplay!

For VMA, definitely do NOT go War Machine. You need to activate a synergy for that to work, and you can’t activate your own synergy’s...(VMA buff synergies do NOT count for War Machine, FYI). VO will always be a staple here. You can pair with whatever you like. Spriggans, Hunding, and yes, even Briarheart (it is FAR from awful). When it procs, which it does often, your hits will be providing crazy amounts of healing. That’s from all damage sources (caltrops, arrow hail, etc.).

Selene’s is good for PvP, but PvE you’ll find the most dps and utility from Veli and Krag. Kragh’s is “okay” because few fights, except perhaps last bosses in trials, you’ll be standing exactly stationary attacking. You should be roll dodging to mitigate damage, reviving, positioning. Kragh’s second piece has a VERY small window directly in front of you by which to hit enemies. Whereas Veli - I’ve been knocked flat, and had Veli proc from my body and kill a group of enemies in front of me.

Any NMG is not crap for solo play. Still a very viable crafted set. Ignore pretty much everything from the previous post.

War Machine runs off ultimates and Nightblades have the cheapest ultimate AND amazing ultimate generation when solo. So ignore at least that part from the previous post.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

TheRealSniker wrote: »

aye bruh, briarheart is dogsh!t and you never pair TFS with something like hundings for optimal builds, any trial set like vicious ophidian or warmachine tops hundings with just the 5% minor slayer bonus.
Vicious ophidian is dogsh!t compared to warmachine for an incap spamming stamblade so BiS setup would be TFS + Warmachine, ignore dat goofy seal.
Best Monstersets for stamblades are following: Kraghs and Selenes, velidreth is acceptable but has bad single target

for vma you could go Vicious ophidian + TFS tho for the extra sustain, but it will never be as bursty as warmachine

I havent ever seen any good leviathan build, NMG is good for group optimization but crap for soloplay!

Yay someone finally noticed my seal. You are too cute. Muah.

The 5% minor slayer is addtive, meaning you actually only get closer to 3% more Damage from it. And that 3% more Damage is only better then a flat weapon damage increase when you are doing more then ~30k dps.

For solo play nmg and hundings are almost the same, this has been tested over and over.

The reason not to use nmg and TFS is over pen is bad. So you need weapon Damage. Hundings is easier to get but you get no heal from it and brairheart is more forgiving.

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

aye bruh, briarheart is dogsh!t and jyou never pair TFS with something like hundings for optimal builds, any trial set like vicious ophidian or warmachine tops hundings with just the 5% minor slayer bonus.
Vicious ophidian is dogsh!t compared to warmachine for an incap spamming stamblade so BiS setup would be TFS + Warmachine, ignore dat goofy seal.
Best Monstersets for stamblades are following: Kraghs and Selenes, velidreth is acceptable but has bad single target

for vma you could go Vicious ophidian + TFS tho for the extra sustain, but it will never be as bursty as warmachine

I havent ever seen any good leviathan build, NMG is good for group optimization but crap for soloplay!

Yay someone finally noticed my seal. You are too cute. Muah.

The 5% minor slayer is addtive, meaning you actually only get closer to 3% more Damage from it. And that 3% more Damage is only better then a flat weapon damage increase when you are doing more then ~30k dps.

For solo play nmg and hundings are almost the same, this has been tested over and over.

The reason not to use nmg and TFS is over pen is bad. So you need weapon Damage. Hundings is easier to get but you get no heal from it and brairheart is more forgiving.

@Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
I knew I read your minor slayer post! I was going to comment on that but did a search and couldn’t find your comment to reference.

@Runefang
Thanks for the catch on War Machine. I’d just read the PTS notes on Synergy and had it on the mind I think.

KingLogix · June 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

You want infused off hand. It reduces the cool down on the main hand enchant too.

Is this the same with dw/2h? If i run infused back bard, will my enchants on dw bar have shorter cool downs?

reprosal · June 2018

Just did various combos for results sakes.

-5 leviathan/TFS weapons jewellery = 46.5k avg
-5 TFS/relequen body = 51.2k avg
-5 TFS/war machine body = 48.7k avg

Obviously you will gain more from pairing AY/Relequen in an optimized trial but saying it is garbage is really not the case. Leviathan is still completely viable to pair with Spriggans for a beginner and still do well.

It more or less comes out to rotation...

Heimpai · June 2018

I’ll ask here instead of making a thread

Right now i use spriggans/hundings/skoria (my only monster set). And i just got normal relequens to fit with spriggans (unfortunately no monster set as only my weapons are free/hundings)

Which is better and what should i try to get as a newish player? I have 4 vo pieces aswell

Oh this isn’t for vMA as I’m not ready for that headache