Please give WWs something to offset the nerf...

coop500 · January 2018

Seriously, a nerf was the LAST thing we needed. I'm not even asking for a direct buff (though I'll welcome one with open arms), but fix our problems at least! @ZOS_GinaBruno I never ping the staff people usually, but this is getting out of hand.

Pack leader skill morph, when you die and rez, your pet wolves NEVER come back until you revert form, build ult again and transform.
Trying to get the devour synergy to highlight on a corpse is touch and go and I lose form all the time because of this. Then if the bodies vanish before you're done, it gives nothing back.
Claws of anguish still doesn't work right.
We can't rez friendlies(not sure if this is intended though but it shouldn't be)
We can't use other synergies (again not sure if this is intended, but it shouldn't be)
Tormentor set doesn't work with the werewolf's pounce skill.

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

I love that the majority says do both XD. If only ZOS would heed it....

Mic1007 · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

I've never had one reason actually transform into a WW, even though I've had the skill line maxed for close to two years.

Ladislao · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

coop500 wrote: »

Tormentor set doesn't work with the werewolf's pounce skill.

This is intended since Pounce is not charge ability but leap (like Dragon Leap). These are slightly different mechanics.

Totally agree with the other fixes.

It seems that I do not miss a single topic about werewolves

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

I would not be opposed to werewolf buffs . Even when they were op a long time ago it was still cool to watch . Guess I am biased WW Fanboi . Oh well ... There are worse things .

Hippie4927 · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

I don't have any werewolves (I'm more of a vamp person) but fixing bugs is always good and I have no problem with a buff to werewolves.

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I would not be opposed to werewolf buffs . Even when they were op a long time ago it was still cool to watch . Guess I am biased WW Fanboi . Oh well ... There are worse things .

They were OP once?
Darn, I wanted to be around then XD

Rohamad_Ali · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

coop500 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I would not be opposed to werewolf buffs . Even when they were op a long time ago it was still cool to watch . Guess I am biased WW Fanboi . Oh well ... There are worse things .

They were OP once?
Darn, I wanted to be around then XD

It was a long time ago with a devour bug that gave resource returns from all dead players in the area but it was fun to see packs of werewolves everywhere . It was quickly fixed .

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I would not be opposed to werewolf buffs . Even when they were op a long time ago it was still cool to watch . Guess I am biased WW Fanboi . Oh well ... There are worse things .

They were OP once?
Darn, I wanted to be around then XD

It was a long time ago with a devour bug that gave resource returns from all dead players in the area but it was fun to see packs of werewolves everywhere . It was quickly fixed .

Of course it was quickly fixed lol

Can't have happy werewolves.

jssriot · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

I've tried out ww and really wanted to like it, but it needs improvements for sure, not nerfs. I'm keeping at least one ww for now, in the hopes it'll get better, but I cured my other ww and turned her into a vamp and wow, even without the all passives, vamp is such a better trade-off in pve. I pvp too and I have never encountered an OP ww there and I don't see how they can even begin to compete with vampires in pve.

I_killed_Vivec · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

I do like going WW, particularly for "casual" mass melees like dolmen or world bosses, but increasingly I find that the skills fail to go off, leaving me flapping about light and heavy attacking...

Which still looks good, doggy style

Chrlynsch · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

I think it is funny that some people say they are fine aka don't need fixes.

- Their major defile does not reduce healing regen
- Their pack leader morph does not work if the werewolf has been killed, requires dropping form and build it back up in order for it to work again.
- The unchained champion passive drops in wolf form.

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

Chrlynsch wrote: »

I think it is funny that some people say they are fine aka don't need fixes.

- Their major defile does not reduce healing regen
- Their pack leader morph does not work if the werewolf has been killed, requires dropping form and build it back up in order for it to work again.
- The unchained champion passive drops in wolf form.

The Pack Leader is an Ultimate. When you die with an Ultimate going on ANY class, it's gone. Warden pet bear. Gone. Destro Ult. Gone. Dragon Standard. Gone. The only ULT I can think that doesn't actually go away is the Meteor but it's because it probably need to finish it's animation.

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

I think it is funny that some people say they are fine aka don't need fixes.

- Their major defile does not reduce healing regen
- Their pack leader morph does not work if the werewolf has been killed, requires dropping form and build it back up in order for it to work again.
- The unchained champion passive drops in wolf form.

The Pack Leader is an Ultimate. When you die with an Ultimate going on ANY class, it's gone. Warden pet bear. Gone. Destro Ult. Gone. Dragon Standard. Gone. The only ULT I can think that doesn't actually go away is the Meteor but it's because it probably need to finish it's animation.

By that logic, we shouldn't have gotten nerfed because dragon leap didn't get nerfed because it's a ult and ults get special treatment.

Except for WWs.

Good job cherry picking among the many problems we have for a play-style with only 5 skills

Casul · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

They are so rare on Vivec and Shor ps4. I never see them anymore.

Glaiceana · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

I think it is funny that some people say they are fine aka don't need fixes.

- Their major defile does not reduce healing regen
- Their pack leader morph does not work if the werewolf has been killed, requires dropping form and build it back up in order for it to work again.
- The unchained champion passive drops in wolf form.

The Pack Leader is an Ultimate. When you die with an Ultimate going on ANY class, it's gone. Warden pet bear. Gone. Destro Ult. Gone. Dragon Standard. Gone. The only ULT I can think that doesn't actually go away is the Meteor but it's because it probably need to finish it's animation.

@Kuramas9tails What he means is that the dire wolves do not return. They are meant to respawn every X amount of seconds when killed, BUT, they do not EVER respawn once you yourself have been killed, and then revive. They should continue to respawn as long as you are still in werewolf form (ie the ultimate is still active)

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

Glaiceana wrote: »

@Kuramas9tails What he means is that the dire wolves do not return. They are meant to respawn every X amount of seconds when killed, BUT, they do not EVER respawn once you yourself have been killed, and then revive. They should continue to respawn as long as you are still in werewolf form (ie the ultimate is still active)

I know what they meant but the fact that you won't turn back into a human when you die in your Ult is already a bonus over the rest of the Ults.

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

coop500 wrote: »

By that logic, we shouldn't have gotten nerfed because dragon leap didn't get nerfed because it's a ult and ults get special treatment.

Except for WWs.

Good job cherry picking among the many problems we have for a play-style with only 5 skills

I wasn't cherry picking but giving examples. If someone dragon leaps and dies before takeoff, they are dead. They don't get it back. If they die while in air, like meteor, it will finish the animation but they are dead. They don't res with the Ult back.

Chrlynsch · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

I think it is funny that some people say they are fine aka don't need fixes.

- Their major defile does not reduce healing regen
- Their pack leader morph does not work if the werewolf has been killed, requires dropping form and build it back up in order for it to work again.
- The unchained champion passive drops in wolf form.

The Pack Leader is an Ultimate. When you die with an Ultimate going on ANY class, it's gone. Warden pet bear. Gone. Destro Ult. Gone. Dragon Standard. Gone. The only ULT I can think that doesn't actually go away is the Meteor but it's because it probably need to finish it's animation.

What happens when you die in an overload state? You know the ultimate that the closest to werewolf.

Werewolf is not just an ultimate but it is a world skill line as well, aka vampirism.

Truth is nothing else in the game operates like werewolf. It has it's own timer... it requires 22 skillpoints to use... you get locked out off all other skill abilities in the game while in the werewolf state... you can't res, you can't craft, you can't mount, you can't put down siege... you lose weapon passives... you lose most skill passives... you lose the majority of your class passives... You gain no Ultimate while using it... you take more damage from certain damage while in werewolf...

So no werewolf isn't just an Ultimate.

LordSemaj · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

By that logic, we shouldn't have gotten nerfed because dragon leap didn't get nerfed because it's a ult and ults get special treatment.

Except for WWs.

Good job cherry picking among the many problems we have for a play-style with only 5 skills

I wasn't cherry picking but giving examples. If someone dragon leaps and dies before takeoff, they are dead. They don't get it back. If they die while in air, like meteor, it will finish the animation but they are dead. They don't res with the Ult back.

Pretty sure he's talking about the fact that Dragon Leap didn't get nerfed yet the Werewolf ultimate did. They both are gap closers and they both are ultimates.

Chrlynsch wrote: »

What happens when you die in an overload state? You know the ultimate that the closest to werewolf.

Werewolf is not just an ultimate but it is a world skill line as well, aka vampirism.

Truth is nothing else in the game operates like werewolf. It has it's own timer... it requires 22 skillpoints to use... you get locked out off all other skill abilities in the game while in the werewolf state... you can't res, you can't craft, you can't mount, you can't put down siege... you lose weapon passives... you lose most skill passives... you lose the majority of your class passives... You gain no Ultimate while using it... you take more damage from certain damage while in werewolf...

Truly they should just make Werewolf work like Overload. Drop in, Drop out ultimate that toggles a third bar and transformation. The amount of ultimate you saved up would be what fuels the transformation length and devouring would gain ultimate.

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

By that logic, we shouldn't have gotten nerfed because dragon leap didn't get nerfed because it's a ult and ults get special treatment.

Except for WWs.

Good job cherry picking among the many problems we have for a play-style with only 5 skills

I wasn't cherry picking but giving examples. If someone dragon leaps and dies before takeoff, they are dead. They don't get it back. If they die while in air, like meteor, it will finish the animation but they are dead. They don't res with the Ult back.

Yeah you.... missed my entire point, the other two sum it up perfectly though.

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

BuildMan wrote: »

What happens when you die in an overload state? You know the ultimate that the closest to werewolf.

Werewolf is not just an ultimate but it is a world skill line as well, aka vampirism.

Truth is nothing else in the game operates like werewolf. It has it's own timer... it requires 22 skillpoints to use... you get locked out off all other skill abilities in the game while in the werewolf state... you can't res, you can't craft, you can't mount, you can't put down siege... you lose weapon passives... you lose most skill passives... you lose the majority of your class passives... You gain no Ultimate while using it... you take more damage from certain damage while in werewolf...

So no werewolf isn't just an Ultimate.

I will agree with a lot of what you just said because even when I was a werewolf, I felt it wasn't as useful. Even vampirism is helpful to stamina and magic users. The ONLY thing I was referring to was the fact that as Pack Leader, the wolves don't respawn after you die. It makes sense to me. You died. You lost that. Maybe ZOS should be more accurate in their description. Should they respawn when you res or not. To me, it's not a glitch. It was intentional.

Kalante · January 2018

Nah they're fine

rarely do i come across a good werewolf player but mostly are just zerglings

Tan9oSuccka · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

LOL. Who even uses WW In PVE or PVP?

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

LOL. Who even uses WW In PVE or PVP?

I hear people swear by them in Battlegrounds.

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

Nah they're fine

coop500 wrote: »

[Yeah you.... missed my entire point, the other two sum it up perfectly though.

Indeed I did. Werewolf has a structure all it's own and I personally think it's always been a bad set up and has next to no perks for PVE or PVP. ZOS has different intentions than you or I have.

Chrlynsch · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

What happens when you die in an overload state? You know the ultimate that the closest to werewolf.

Werewolf is not just an ultimate but it is a world skill line as well, aka vampirism.

Truth is nothing else in the game operates like werewolf. It has it's own timer... it requires 22 skillpoints to use... you get locked out off all other skill abilities in the game while in the werewolf state... you can't res, you can't craft, you can't mount, you can't put down siege... you lose weapon passives... you lose most skill passives... you lose the majority of your class passives... You gain no Ultimate while using it... you take more damage from certain damage while in werewolf...

So no werewolf isn't just an Ultimate.

I will agree with a lot of what you just said because even when I was a werewolf, I felt it wasn't as useful. Even vampirism is helpful to stamina and magic users. The ONLY thing I was referring to was the fact that as Pack Leader, the wolves don't respawn after you die. It makes sense to me. You died. You lost that. Maybe ZOS should be more accurate in their description. Should they respawn when you res or not. To me, it's not a glitch. It was intentional.

This is the pack werewolf transformation:

Transform into a beast, fearing up to 3 nearby enemies for 4 seconds. While transformed, your Light Attacks cause enemies to bleed for [x] Physical Damage over 8 seconds and your Physical and Spell Resistance are increased by 9966.
While slotted, your Stamina Recovery is increased by 15%.
Summon 2 wolf companions for the duration of your transformation. If killed, they will return after 10 seconds.
Also summons 2 wolf companions to fight by your side.

The only thing we can really compare this ult to is the other morph...

Bazerker doesn't lose their bonus bleed damage if they die and resurrect.

Pretty clear to me.

KeiruNicrom · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

hopefully the synergy change helps make devour easier to use........

Wreuntzylla · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

coop500 wrote: »

Seriously, a nerf was the LAST thing we needed. I'm not even asking for a direct buff (though I'll welcome one with open arms), but fix our problems at least! @ZOS_GinaBruno I never ping the staff people usually, but this is getting out of hand.

Pack leader skill morph, when you die and rez, your pet wolves NEVER come back until you revert form, build ult again and transform.
Trying to get the devour synergy to highlight on a corpse is touch and go and I lose form all the time because of this. Then if the bodies vanish before you're done, it gives nothing back.
Claws of anguish still doesn't work right.
We can't rez friendlies(not sure if this is intended though but it shouldn't be)
We can't use other synergies (again not sure if this is intended, but it shouldn't be)
Tormentor set doesn't work with the werewolf's pounce skill.

Don't forget, you are too clumsy to craft as a werewolf...

geonsocal · January 2018

Fix the bugs and give them a buff

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Seriously, a nerf was the LAST thing we needed. I'm not even asking for a direct buff (though I'll welcome one with open arms), but fix our problems at least! @ZOS_GinaBruno I never ping the staff people usually, but this is getting out of hand.

Pack leader skill morph, when you die and rez, your pet wolves NEVER come back until you revert form, build ult again and transform.
Trying to get the devour synergy to highlight on a corpse is touch and go and I lose form all the time because of this. Then if the bodies vanish before you're done, it gives nothing back.
Claws of anguish still doesn't work right.
We can't rez friendlies(not sure if this is intended though but it shouldn't be)
We can't use other synergies (again not sure if this is intended, but it shouldn't be)
Tormentor set doesn't work with the werewolf's pounce skill.

Don't forget, you are too clumsy to craft as a werewolf...

who can stand still long enough to craft anything...even opening a chest is a challenge (need to have an unloooted corpse nearby to munch on as soon as you're done)...

the whole werewolf thing is like playing a constant game of hungry hippo and beat the clock - combined...

coop500 · January 2018

Yes~ Fix the bugs

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Seriously, a nerf was the LAST thing we needed. I'm not even asking for a direct buff (though I'll welcome one with open arms), but fix our problems at least! @ZOS_GinaBruno I never ping the staff people usually, but this is getting out of hand.

Pack leader skill morph, when you die and rez, your pet wolves NEVER come back until you revert form, build ult again and transform.
Trying to get the devour synergy to highlight on a corpse is touch and go and I lose form all the time because of this. Then if the bodies vanish before you're done, it gives nothing back.
Claws of anguish still doesn't work right.
We can't rez friendlies(not sure if this is intended though but it shouldn't be)
We can't use other synergies (again not sure if this is intended, but it shouldn't be)
Tormentor set doesn't work with the werewolf's pounce skill.

Don't forget, you are too clumsy to craft as a werewolf...

I figured that was intended, I was listing off stuff that seems like bugs/not working as intended. If I was to list general fallbacks of being a werewolf, the list would be twice as long combined with bugs.

You literally get laughed at in trials.
In PVP everyone just mows you over with poison.
You can't use any of your other skills.
If you play stamina, your self healing is a joke/can only cast the healing skill we have twice because for some dumb reason our healing skill scales off magicka while all of our other skills scale off stamina
If you play magicka then your damage tanks down low.
As someone already said, keeping form is a constant micromanagement
Our skills cost the most resources.
Sustain is almost impossible
Heavy attacks take a while to wind up.
Really limited toolkit
Poison is a bit OP against us even in PVE and we don't have a decent way to ignore it/bypass.
Most of your passives won't apply.
No ranged attacks (though this one is a given it's still a weakness)
Then all my listed bugs above

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Please give WWs something to offset the nerf... 94 votes