Ill-Advised Morphs

GiggleGoat · January 2018

Perhaps they're moving the newbies away from these skills because they're on the nerf radar

tommalmm · January 2018

Hmm... This may sound like a blasphemy, but has anyone check it on a real noob? I mean, maybe for new players the bigger radius would yield better results than longer duration (additional time on a piece of ground behind a boss doesn't really mean anything). Remember, this feature is directed at people completely new to the game. If any of you will keep it enabled, it will be for lulz.

On the other hand, the truth is, neither of the morphs will help if people will not be trained to use proper rotation. I mean, you can use liquid lightning once every 20 seconds, hardcast a frag here and there, then spam some mage's wrath at 90% hp and continue with light attacks because you're out of magicka (new people rarely even know heavy attacks restore resources!).

Tasear · January 2018

My

Qbiken wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I wanna see what they say about werewolf skills XD

Oh wait, they hate werewolves, they likely didn't even give them skill suggestions, or they probably just tell people to be a zombie instead.

All skills are ill-adviced skills, even pre-morphed xD.

WW- Community: "Well, we would love some buffs and there´re quite some good threads about it, hopefully Wrobel will read and reconsider some buffs. Like, it can´t get any worse right?"

Wrobel: "Hold ma bear"

Wondering how werewolf feel about 16% damage reduction...

P.S there's no werewolf or vampire build from Mr skill adviser.

Tasear · January 2018

tommalmm wrote: »

Hmm... This may sound like a blasphemy, but has anyone check it on a real noob? I mean, maybe for new players the bigger radius would yield better results than longer duration (additional time on a piece of ground behind a boss doesn't really mean anything). Remember, this feature is directed at people completely new to the game. If any of you will keep it enabled, it will be for lulz.

On the other hand, the truth is, neither of the morphs will help if people will not be trained to use proper rotation. I mean, you can use liquid lightning once every 20 seconds, hardcast a frag here and there, then spam some mage's wrath at 90% hp and continue with light attacks because you're out of magicka (new people rarely even know heavy attacks restore resources!).

Tanks need punture...why this isn't suggested bothers me. The sorc tank won't have ba taunt till rank 4 is undaunted, according to skill adviser. That's past lvl 50 or close to it.

Morgul667 · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously though that's so funny ^^

I expected it to be clunky at the beginning, but to advise against liquid lighting and crystal fragment , I didnt see that one coming !

That is just awesome

We need a meme... where those guys who make memes?

I agree that would be great

Koensol · January 2018

This is the most insanely idiotic implementation possible. They most likely created a structure saying that when A is X, this morph would be ill advised, and when A is Y, the other would be ill afvised (for example). This is a very simplistic and black and white way to implement this feature. What is good or not depends on more than just X or Y. I mean... there's just too many variables.

It would be a lot better to just inform people of the possibilities each skill and morph would bring. Introduce people to the principles of combat in pve AND pvp. Inform people that in order to do higher dps, it would be advised to stack dots and keep them up at all times, in stead of spamming 1 hard hitting skill. And on an ability such as endless hail, they could link it to this principle as an example, to make it visible and practical for people to translate these principles into concrete action.

If the current form is what it will end up to be, it will only make matter worse...

Tasear · January 2018

K another sorc issue ...

Why is dark deal advisable for Magicka healer? Dark deal is well the stamina morph.
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Ajaxduo · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously though that's so funny ^^

I expected it to be clunky at the beginning, but to advise against liquid lighting and crystal fragment , I didnt see that one coming !

That is just awesome

We need a meme... where those guys who make memes?

and so it begins.

coop500 · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

My

Qbiken wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

I wanna see what they say about werewolf skills XD

Oh wait, they hate werewolves, they likely didn't even give them skill suggestions, or they probably just tell people to be a zombie instead.

All skills are ill-adviced skills, even pre-morphed xD.

WW- Community: "Well, we would love some buffs and there´re quite some good threads about it, hopefully Wrobel will read and reconsider some buffs. Like, it can´t get any worse right?"

Wrobel: "Hold ma bear"

Wondering how werewolf feel about 16% damage reduction...

P.S there's no werewolf or vampire build from Mr skill adviser.

Not happy, not happy at all.

I mean it's just our gap closer that got reduced, but we are the LAST thing that needs nerfed so it's just dumb. They still didn't bother fixing our skills that don't work properly.

SaintSubwayy · January 2018

on DK it's kinda broken aswell.

When i Putt 64 Points into Stamina, the Advisor should recognize this and automaticly adapt to a Stamina DK build, instead it told me my Nox Breath, Venom Claw ect. is wrong.

Atleast you can turn this thing off

SaintSubwayy · January 2018

on DK it's kinda broken aswell.

When i Putt 64 Points into Stamina, the Advisor should recognize this and automaticly adapt to a Stamina DK build, instead it told me my Nox Breath, Venom Claw ect. is wrong.

Atleast you can turn this thing off

Pendrillion · January 2018

It probably only reads out the template from its own database rather than analysing your specs... Missed chance on ZOS' behalf...

starkerealm · January 2018

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

on DK it's kinda broken aswell.

When i Putt 64 Points into Stamina, the Advisor should recognize this and automaticly adapt to a Stamina DK build, instead it told me my Nox Breath, Venom Claw ect. is wrong.

Atleast you can turn this thing off

To be fair, you can set it to read from a stam build in the adviser. Each class got a "recomended for new players," build, which in the case of the DK probably isn't Stam DPS.

Waffennacht · January 2018

Pendrillion wrote: »

It probably only reads out the template from its own database rather than analysing your specs... Missed chance on ZOS' behalf...

This, it probably has a pre selected character load and tries to direct you to building that specific spec. It probably doesn't ever check what you're actually choosing along the way.

Kram8ion · January 2018

As I gaze into my crystal ball I’m seeing
Trapping webs and equilibrium is biz
Oooooooooooooooooooh

QuebraRegra · January 2018

coop500 wrote: »

What the Hell? ZOS you should be fired lol

let's see how many AWESOMEs this can get?

seriously, can we start with the "lead combat designer"...

Morgul667 · January 2018

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Seriously though that's so funny ^^

I expected it to be clunky at the beginning, but to advise against liquid lighting and crystal fragment , I didnt see that one coming !

That is just awesome

We need a meme... where those guys who make memes?

and so it begins.

lol great, thanks

Tasear · January 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

on DK it's kinda broken aswell.

When i Putt 64 Points into Stamina, the Advisor should recognize this and automaticly adapt to a Stamina DK build, instead it told me my Nox Breath, Venom Claw ect. is wrong.

Atleast you can turn this thing off

To be fair, you can set it to read from a stam build in the adviser. Each class got a "recomended for new players," build, which in the case of the DK probably isn't Stam DPS.

There's 4 options... there's even a dk healer option.

Acrolas · January 2018

I'm reserving judgment until Live.

For all we know, they intentionally put obviously incorrect notices on the Adviser so that testers would latch onto them and confirm them as being obviously incorrect. This is where /feedback reports are going to be more important than forum posts. Mostly because /feedback won't have memes and probably considerably fewer insults.

runagate · January 2018

At least this epic fails was 100% predicted by everyone who started playing at launch. Kind good feeling, like watching your clumsy kid you love be a klutz "that's my boy!"

Morgul667 · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm reserving judgment until Live.

For all we know, they intentionally put obviously incorrect notices on the Adviser so that testers would latch onto them and confirm them as being obviously incorrect. This is where /feedback reports are going to be more important than forum posts. Mostly because /feedback won't have memes and probably considerably fewer insults.

But do they read /fedback on PTS ?

Everytime I did one on live, I got zero reply from ZoS

Anyway that would be one of the worst communication strategy ever: show every body I know nothing on my own game, so people can confirm and correct me where Im wrong... that's weird

GrigorijMalahevich · January 2018

Ill-advised by who? Someone who never played this game competitively and pulls 8k DPS?

Seriously, if you intend to make something - do it properly or don’t do it at all. There are million guides for every role, class, whatever... No need to be creative, when you have limited knowledge.

phileunderx2 · January 2018

My template was a stam warden and every stamina choice I made was I'll advised.lol

TheNightflame · January 2018

I think it would be better if tips were more general (i.e. them being like "focus on investing in only one of magic or stam if your focus is to deal damage, and try to use skills and weapons that also use that resource" and "keep up a variety of skills that do damage over time"). Advised and ill-advised without a contextual reason feels off to me cuz it's the game makers explicitly saying "we made morphs, but this one is better so you should pick it" which makes the whole concept of morphs vs skills just "levelling up" feel weird.

Conduit0 · January 2018

Liofa wrote: »

I only checked DK Tank build . Last skill you get is Guard which you need level 5 in Alliance War trees . Build Advisor doesn't have Warhorn (requires level 4) in it . I can't even ...

Actually that makes total sense, DKs won't be able to afford to run warhorn anymore, they'll have to run Shield Wall so they can heavy attack to regain stamina.

Conduit0 · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

K another sorc issue ...

Why is dark deal advisable for Magicka healer? Dark deal is well the stamina morph.
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Because everyone knows the best heal in the game is Vigor.

Hiero_Glyph · January 2018

Considering that the game is giving players ill-informed morph suggestions, now seems like a good time to finally remove morph respec costs and let players change them when out of combat. Seriously, having to respec the morphs hurts build testing/diversity and it is made worse when the game doesn't understand it's own mechanics.

Also, instead of telling players to respec why not explain why the morph is ill-advised in a sentence or two? The goal is to teach new players, not force them to spend gold respec'ing based on red text.

Casul · January 2018

I understand the purpose of this is too make it so new players have an avenue to go down. With this being said they should do things like rift and let community member set the load outs along with a structured description of what to expect from said build. Teaching players that they should ignore key skills for their roles is bad. And will lead to the same amount of noob bashing as before.

But then again this is the first thing of its exsistance. I would like to see more PTS notes before I decided on a stance fully.

Tasear · January 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm reserving judgment until Live.

For all we know, they intentionally put obviously incorrect notices on the Adviser so that testers would latch onto them and confirm them as being obviously incorrect. This is where /feedback reports are going to be more important than forum posts. Mostly because /feedback won't have memes and probably considerably fewer insults.

Fine, I stand by the meme. It lacks explantation and this far nicer then if this had went live. If this truly better then needs more explanation. How much dps will it help a new player compared to popular alternative? Because it will not have just face forums but general population query. If people say level advisor is just a waste of time and will lead down wrong path then this will lose its potential and purpose

I like idea of giving guild mates secret loadouts though. Very least should have some ability to grow. It could have theory community grow more. You will have people making builds work with x skills. As to say it should also advise amour.