Stop trying to make things more complicated

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

We need gold sinks

I would argue that there already are enough gold sinks in the game, when luxury furnishings cost 100k per item, when achievement furnishings cost 150k per item.

We also need a style stone sink, right now they are pretty worthless, and with this outfitting system, they will become truly useless and worthless.

One doesn't have to exclude the other. Personally I prefer a mix, where appearance changing required 1 style mat and 1k gold for the rarer motifs, instead of 2k per item. I think that's a more balanced solution, plus it actually makes style mats have a function besides being useless crafting bag fillers.

There's no shortage of them and you can just throw them away.

Why are you even bringing it up? Seems like a needless cost increase.

Style stones are used in furniture crafting

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Not really true though. Basic racial style stones are vendor bought, and therefore don't need a sink, and apart from those, the only furniture that require style stones are the odd dwemer and clockwork furnishings.

This argument doesn't make sense. You're saying you can get an unlimited amount, so you don't need a way to get rid of them?

Carbonised wrote: »

The vast majority of style stones have no furnishing recipes associated with them, and once outfitting goes live, they won't be used in crafting either, since there's little to no reason to craft exotic styles any more.

That just means they need more furniture styles--and they've been adding them, just at a slow pace--and the rarer stones don't pile up as much anyway. Also dedicated crafters will only be able to make outfits for themselves, so anyone who wants a certain look will either have to ask someone to make it for them (consuming a style stone in the process) or become a crafter.

Everyone will need to gather all the motifs, if you craft for someone else you're still limited by not being able to craft jewelry, and only being able to craft 5 pieces for someone. No viable build uses more than 5 pieces of crafted equipment ever, due to the lackluster nature of many crafted sets, plus the inability to craft jewelry. So if I make you a 5 piece of glorious rare motif armor, you'll still have to have that motif learned to turn all your other pieces into that motif, and odds are you then have all the motif pieces learned already, and then don't care what motif i craft to you in the first place, since you will change the pieces regardless.

Also for furniture, it's not gonna happen. There are materials for trinimac style, malacath style and ancient orc style. Yet all furnishings from Wrothgar require Manganese. What about Mazzatun materials, Stalhrim shards, Hollowjack, Skinchanger, Silken Ring, Bloodforge, Dreadhorn, Order of the Hour, Minotaur, or all the 35+ other styles? I don't hink we're getting furnisture in those styles anytime soon.

The basic racial motif stones don't count, yes. It's perfectly logical. They don't have a "drop" source, they are bought deliberately from the NPCs in order to craft furnishing. The few stones that do drop from decon and looting are not nearly enough for the crafting needs, just look at how few are for sale in guild stores.
So, they have a very large sink, but they also have an endless supply through gold. So basically every racial motif stone is just 15 gold pieces converted into another material. Since they are NPc bought, their gold value is also stuck. They can never have a value beyond 15 gold pieces, since that would be higher than what you can buy them for at the NPC. That is why they don't feature into the economy around motif stones.

In addition to gold cost

I'd personally just rather keep it as a gold cost, but it'd be nice if the style stones sold for something to NPC vendors, even just 1 gold. Right now it's just valueless garbage that I pick up while playing the game.

aliyavana wrote: »

We need gold sinks

No.

Gold sinks cause the problem of too much gold because people always want to "get ahead".
If people could just get the gold they need with some effort after they realize they need it then they just get the gold they need, but if they think they will need an unknown quantity ahead of actually having a goal item to spend it on then they will farm extra gold that goes unused until they find something to spend it on and then they always try to save for "the next unknown thing".
It's a vicious cycle that causes the inflation.

Also, bot farmers love this and it attracts them like flies to honey. This game has gold sinks because of bot farmers but it has bot farmers because of the initial gold sinks. It's a reinforcing cycle.
I hope you like competing with bots wherever you farm or quest.

aliyavana wrote: »

We need gold sinks

basic style stones can be bought from vendor and are so cheap so also can be to need more than 1 stone per piece

Nestor wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Style mats are easy to buy in large amounts on every guild trader. The most expensive ones cost a few hundred gold each, the cheapest ones less than 100. The only exceptions being dwemer frames and brass, since they are required for furnishing recipes.

You have 500 Scarabs or Dried Blood or Ancient Scales or the other Style mats for the new motifs?

maybe not that much but its not problem to have more than 50 of any dlc etc style stones if just playing


and this is also no problem to maybe have just lowered cost in gold if we want to spent on it mats?
tbh as also many wrote i t here we have some gold sing in game which are extremaly expensive I can say so we dont need more as it can be utilized by mats sink