Why gold use for Outfit system, instead of style materials?

EvilCroc · January 2018

It does not make sense in many levels. Logic, convenience, players interaction and even ZOS profits.

Logic: Who is an acceptor of our gold? There is some minor daedra in every outfit station that hungers for our gold?
Convenience: gold is not account-wide, while style materials are (at least with crafting bag).
Players interaction: style materials will be trash after this update. No profit for traders from them. No need to grind them, less grouping, etc.
ZOS profits: Hmmm.... Crown Mimic Stones? Who will need them at all for the Mephala's sake?

Maybe there are even more arguments for style materials use instead of gold.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Because otherwise there isn't enough of a time-sink for the players to justify them giving the system to us. If they don't think of more and more ways for us to spend gold then they are worried that players will spend less-time playing the game.

EvilCroc · January 2018

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Because otherwise there isn't enough of a time-sink for the players to justify them giving the system to us. If they don't think of more and more ways for us to spend gold then they are worried that players will spend less-time playing the game.

They can just tune style materials requirements for outfits and/or style materials drop rate. Make them more rare. Such steps will revitalize market and gold will be used anyway.

casparian · January 2018

EvilCroc wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Because otherwise there isn't enough of a time-sink for the players to justify them giving the system to us. If they don't think of more and more ways for us to spend gold then they are worried that players will spend less-time playing the game.

They can just tune style materials requirements for outfits and/or style materials drop rate. Make them more rare. Such steps will revitalize market and gold will be used anyway.

That's a good idea, but it would be pretty difficult at this point, given how many style material stones are floating around out there. I myself have thousands of them just sitting around in my craft bag, and I'm far from alone. ZOS would have to make them as rare as BA motifs in order to make the price go up enough for them to be as big a gold sink as the currently envisioned system, which would benefit older players like me dramatically but be very hard on newer players.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

EvilCroc wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Because otherwise there isn't enough of a time-sink for the players to justify them giving the system to us. If they don't think of more and more ways for us to spend gold then they are worried that players will spend less-time playing the game.

They can just tune style materials requirements for outfits and/or style materials drop rate. Make them more rare. Such steps will revitalize market and gold will be used anyway.

They could've yeah. What they chose to do was probably the easier option. Not saying you're wrong, just why i think they are doing it.

Aliyavana · January 2018

No, it's easy to make good in this game and we need gold sinks

Vapirko · January 2018

Stop complaining

coop500 · January 2018

Because people hoard millions of gold as it is with nothing worth buying, at this point this gives people something to buy.

People are always complaining about not having anything worth buying with crowns and gold alike, now that it is granted, people whine....

Rebirthment · January 2018

Im borderlined on that idea. Sure, style materials will make this cheaper and seems the most logical way of going about this, but others have already stated that this would help in having another gold sink, which this game needs.

ArchMikem · January 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

No, it's easy to make good in this game and we need gold sinks

The most recent stealing haul on my main I did last night net me 12k from 130 items. If this were my main source of "easy gold" besides, like, running Trials for the Plunder, which sucks, or farming vet dungeons for Motif chapters to sell in a Guild trader, which also sucks, I'd have to log in and do a run every single day for 84 days and not spend a single coin on anything in order to make my first million.

I understand it can be easy for people like you, but don't make it sound like everyone in the game is rich off their ass.

Carbonised · January 2018

It is a very bizarre implementation of the outfitting system leaving out the requirement of a motif stone. Motif stones weren't that useful already, though some of the rarer ones still sit at 300-700 gold per item, so they're not entirely worthless. But if this system goes live, ZOS has killed off any use for style materials. For a company for which the end all be all is the almighty dollar, they have also killed off any use for mimic stones, which is a rather strange move.

Why on earth waste a style stone material, or even a mimc stone, on something when you can just create it in a basic motif and then use gold to change the appearance.

They could have gone with gold AND style mat requirement. 100 gold for the base motif and a racial stone (obsidian, flint etc), and 1k gold and a style mat for the rarer motifs.

They might as well remove mimic stones from the game along with this update, they have 0 use any more, and neither do any motif stones, outside using them for furnishing crafting, but so far that only goes for the basic race stones and CWC brass.

Defilted · January 2018

Wait...... Are you questioning the fact that ZOS decided to go against the grain and allow us to use gold which is not a random drop thing? Why is this decision a bad thing? This is a good decision!

Motifs if they have not already are going to explode in price. Get farming.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · January 2018

Outfit system == gold sink
Furniture == trait stone sink

Admittedly not everyone will use either system, but there will always be that problem.

mrs_gibbs · January 2018

Oops. I created a different thread before I seen this one.

I 100% with Carbonised. Style mats and mimic stones will be useless after update. I think there should be both a gold and style mat requirement for outfit changes.

Carbonised · January 2018

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Outfit system == gold sink
Furniture == trait stone sink

Admittedly not everyone will use either system, but there will always be that problem.

Flawed argument. Only works for basic blue race motifs, and those stones are already NPC bought. The supply of daedra hearts and palladium is already much more massive than the small demand for it in crafting. And then theres the other 40 style mats with no furnishing recipes that call for them. They will literally only be used in the master crafter writ here and there which in no way is a sink big enough for style mats.

Mimic gems are also pointless and worth nothing now.

supaskrub · January 2018

EvilCroc wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Because otherwise there isn't enough of a time-sink for the players to justify them giving the system to us. If they don't think of more and more ways for us to spend gold then they are worried that players will spend less-time playing the game.

They can just tune style materials requirements for outfits and/or style materials drop rate. Make them more rare. Such steps will revitalize market and gold will be used anyway.

The whole idea of a gold sink is that it does not exist in the game any longer, not that it passes from 1 player to another thereby still creating max wealth

Radiance · January 2018

As irl, Money is Time, it is an exchange of power. The more Time you spend, the more Experience and Money earned... The more $$$ spent, the longer an ESO+ subscription can be dragged out due to more Time spent acquiring More Money... and on and on in an endless paradox...

Voxicity · January 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

No, it's easy to make good in this game and we need gold sinks

The most recent stealing haul on my main I did last night net me 12k from 130 items. If this were my main source of "easy gold" besides, like, running Trials for the Plunder, which sucks, or farming vet dungeons for Motif chapters to sell in a Guild trader, which also sucks, I'd have to log in and do a run every single day for 84 days and not spend a single coin on anything in order to make my first million.

I understand it can be easy for people like you, but don't make it sound like everyone in the game is rich off their ass.

You basically just used the WORST ways of making gold in this game. You can't say that making gold in ESO isn't easy just because you may choose to farm it in the worst ways possible

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

coop500 wrote: »

Because people hoard millions of gold as it is with nothing worth buying, at this point this gives people something to buy.

People are always complaining about not having anything worth buying with crowns and gold alike, now that it is granted, people whine....

Or people that got away with exploiting that sit on tons of in game currency that ZoS does nothing about?

Kuramas9tails · January 2018

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

Oops. I created a different thread before I seen this one.

I 100% with Carbonised. Style mats and mimic stones will be useless after update. I think there should be both a gold and style mat requirement for outfit changes.

Useless? You don't make much furnishings do you?

Carbonised · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

Oops. I created a different thread before I seen this one.

I 100% with Carbonised. Style mats and mimic stones will be useless after update. I think there should be both a gold and style mat requirement for outfit changes.

Useless? You don't make much furnishings do you?

Quoting myself and bolding for emphasis: "They might as well remove mimic stones from the game along with this update, they have 0 use any more, and neither do any motif stones, outside using them for furnishing crafting, but so far that only goes for the basic race stones and CWC brass."

You don't read many forum threads do you?

45 out of the 57 or so motifs we have in this game at the time being have no furnishing recipes connected with them. And the majority of those that do, you can buy the styl stones at the NPC for 15 gold.

CWC brass and dwarven frames are the only ones with a moderate demand for them for furnishing, we're already neck high in palladium and daedra hearts, and the other exotic style mats have no recipes.

N00BxV1 · January 2018

Mimic Stones are worthless now? Well good luck crafting Frostcaster without them lol. Style stones will still have use: crafting writs, crafting gear for yourself or others, crafting furniture, if you or a friend can't outfit a certain style then those pieces can be crafted instead, etc. And if it costs style stones to make an outfit for each character, then I'd rather craft that set of gear once and share it with all characters instead of using the stones for each outfit, especially the more expensive styles like Akaviri and Ebony. Not everyone has all the wealth in-game as you so don't assume and try to over-complicate things. This is just appearance, it shouldn't take a millionaire or 10-year veteran to achieve this.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

Oops. I created a different thread before I seen this one.

I 100% with Carbonised. Style mats and mimic stones will be useless after update. I think there should be both a gold and style mat requirement for outfit changes.

Useless? You don't make much furnishings do you?

Quoting myself and bolding for emphasis: "They might as well remove mimic stones from the game along with this update, they have 0 use any more, and neither do any motif stones, outside using them for furnishing crafting, but so far that only goes for the basic race stones and CWC brass."

You don't read many forum threads do you?

45 out of the 57 or so motifs we have in this game at the time being have no furnishing recipes connected with them. And the majority of those that do, you can buy the styl stones at the NPC for 15 gold.

CWC brass and dwarven frames are the only ones with a moderate demand for them for furnishing, we're already neck high in palladium and daedra hearts, and the other exotic style mats have no recipes.

Without mimic stones there's no way to get the crown shop style mats

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

mrs_gibbs wrote: »

Oops. I created a different thread before I seen this one.

I 100% with Carbonised. Style mats and mimic stones will be useless after update. I think there should be both a gold and style mat requirement for outfit changes.

Useless? You don't make much furnishings do you?

Quoting myself and bolding for emphasis: "They might as well remove mimic stones from the game along with this update, they have 0 use any more, and neither do any motif stones, outside using them for furnishing crafting, but so far that only goes for the basic race stones and CWC brass."

You don't read many forum threads do you?

45 out of the 57 or so motifs we have in this game at the time being have no furnishing recipes connected with them. And the majority of those that do, you can buy the styl stones at the NPC for 15 gold.

CWC brass and dwarven frames are the only ones with a moderate demand for them for furnishing, we're already neck high in palladium and daedra hearts, and the other exotic style mats have no recipes.

Yo chill. You weren't even the person they quoted and were responding to you.

Should I now question how many forum threads you read?

GaunterODim · January 2018

The stones for furnishings can all be purchased at any crafting npc like a smith for 15gold, but what about the style mats I got from mazzatun, cos, falkreath and so on?
Actually only kept the item sets to get the style mats out of them because I or a friend might want to craft them some time. Feels a bit wasted time trying to get some of every style mat to be able to craft it.

I personally would prefer if you could choose in the outfit system whether you want to consume gold OR style mats. Because lets be honest, if I want all my characters with an outfit in the style of bloodrootforge, I would have to do quiet a lot of farming there too.

Carbonised · January 2018

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Mimic Stones are worthless now? Well good luck crafting Frostcaster without them lol. Style stones will still have use: crafting writs, crafting gear for yourself or others, crafting furniture, if you or a friend can't outfit a certain style then those pieces can be crafted instead, etc. And if it costs style stones to make an outfit for each character, then I'd rather craft that set of gear once and share it with all characters instead of using the stones for each outfit, especially the more expensive styles like Akaviri and Ebony. Not everyone has all the wealth in-game as you so don't assume and try to over-complicate things. This is just appearance, it shouldn't take a millionaire or 10-year veteran to achieve this.

Yes they are. Why would I want to create something in Frostcaster motif using a mimic stone, when I can make it in Breton and then simply change it into Frostcaster for 2k. They have said nothing about excluding the crown motifs form the outfit system.

Crafting gear? No. Again, make it in a cheap motif and then simply make an outfit.
Furniture? more than 90 % of the motifs have no furniture, and all the blue racial style stones are NPC bought.
Master Crafter writs? Yes, and the demand for style stones for those is miniscule compared to the supply we get of them.

It's not overcomplicating anything, it would be a simple thing to require 1 style mat to change into that style. I think most of us actually had anticipated the need for style stones for this.

But hey, I've said my piece, let's talk again in a half year's time when we're all drowning in useless motif stones that has plummeted to nothing in value.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Mimic Stones are worthless now? Well good luck crafting Frostcaster without them lol. Style stones will still have use: crafting writs, crafting gear for yourself or others, crafting furniture, if you or a friend can't outfit a certain style then those pieces can be crafted instead, etc. And if it costs style stones to make an outfit for each character, then I'd rather craft that set of gear once and share it with all characters instead of using the stones for each outfit, especially the more expensive styles like Akaviri and Ebony. Not everyone has all the wealth in-game as you so don't assume and try to over-complicate things. This is just appearance, it shouldn't take a millionaire or 10-year veteran to achieve this.

Yes they are. Why would I want to create something in Frostcaster motif using a mimic stone, when I can make it in Breton and then simply change it into Frostcaster for 2k. They have said nothing about excluding the crown motifs form the outfit system.

Crafting gear? No. Again, make it in a cheap motif and then simply make an outfit.
Furniture? more than 90 % of the motifs have no furniture, and all the blue racial style stones are NPC bought.
Master Crafter writs? Yes, and the demand for style stones for those is miniscule compared to the supply we get of them.

It's not overcomplicating anything, it would be a simple thing to require 1 style mat to change into that style. I think most of us actually had anticipated the need for style stones for this.

But hey, I've said my piece, let's talk again in a half year's time when we're all drowning in useless motif stones that has plummeted to nothing in value.

Problem is we don't know if transmog will bind the item to you after use

N00BxV1 · January 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

N00BxV1 wrote: »

Mimic Stones are worthless now? Well good luck crafting Frostcaster without them lol. Style stones will still have use: crafting writs, crafting gear for yourself or others, crafting furniture, if you or a friend can't outfit a certain style then those pieces can be crafted instead, etc. And if it costs style stones to make an outfit for each character, then I'd rather craft that set of gear once and share it with all characters instead of using the stones for each outfit, especially the more expensive styles like Akaviri and Ebony. Not everyone has all the wealth in-game as you so don't assume and try to over-complicate things. This is just appearance, it shouldn't take a millionaire or 10-year veteran to achieve this.

Yes they are. Why would I want to create something in Frostcaster motif using a mimic stone, when I can make it in Breton and then simply change it into Frostcaster for 2k. They have said nothing about excluding the crown motifs form the outfit system.

Crafting gear? No. Again, make it in a cheap motif and then simply make an outfit.
Furniture? more than 90 % of the motifs have no furniture, and all the blue racial style stones are NPC bought.
Master Crafter writs? Yes, and the demand for style stones for those is miniscule compared to the supply we get of them.

It's not overcomplicating anything, it would be a simple thing to require 1 style mat to change into that style. I think most of us actually had anticipated the need for style stones for this.

But hey, I've said my piece, let's talk again in a half year's time when we're all drowning in useless motif stones that has plummeted to nothing in value.

Problem is we don't know if transmog will bind the item to you after use

There's no item. It's just an overlay like a costume, per character.

ParaNostram · January 2018

Gold sinks are important for a healthy MMO economy.

GaunterODim · January 2018

Transmog has nothing to do with the item itself. For example you dont change your valkyn shoulder to look like an altmer shoulder. The system works more like creating a costume that you wear over your armor.

Carbonised · January 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

Gold sinks are important for a healthy MMO economy.

And so are mat sinks. We have many gold sinks now with luxury vendor and achievement furnishings. We lacked a style mat sink.