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Extremely disappointed by the outfit system
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ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ah... Count on ZOS to know how to implement a highly requested system in the worst possible way. ESO is a tragedy of promising ideas with disastrous implementation.
Edit: I was wrong, when I actually saw the ESO Live I saw the system was fine.Edited by ParaNostram on January 5, 2018 5:25PM"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Esha76✭✭✭✭✭Info from threads on the Dev tracker:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752465#Comment_4752465
Jessica Folsom: "Yep! It’s allows for a very customizable experience. You can choose a unique Outfit style for every item slot that has a visual appearance for a truly personalized look."
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752412#Comment_4752412
Jessica Folsom: "Here's a bit more info on how the Outfit System works:
Once any character on your account learns a Motif, you gain access to the corresponding Outfit Style Collectible for your account (since Collectibles are unlocked account-wide.) Depending on whether the Motif is for a single piece or all pieces, the Collectible could be all pieces of an outfit or just a single piece for, say... gloves or a hat. So those of you who have a single crafting character will be able to use that character's known Motifs to create Outfits for all characters on your account. The entire Outfit System runs on Collectibles.
Hope this helps! We encourage you to join ESO Live tonight if you can. We'll be gathering up more of your questions and answering what we can about these new systems, as well as showing them off.""There is no moisture in your angry stares." - Laughs-at-All
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ForgeMother✭✭A lot of the complains here are still just speculation.
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I may be wrong and we will know more in a bit, but from what I understood:- Each piece of motif/gear will be a COLLECTIBLE, usable by ANY character once unlocked (so you unlock on main, all characters can use)
- Outfit slots will be account wide. Your ACCOUNT will have ONE slot, that can be upgraded, via Crown Store, to two, three, account wide SLOTS (not COSTUMES!)
- Each character will be able to go to a now Outfit Station and use that ONE slot for each piece of gear with the collecitibles unlocked. That COMBINATION will be "saved" just like the current dye colors combinations are.
- If you confirm the slots, it will be saved until you pay a little fee to change again OR buy more slots to have several combinations saved at the same time.
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If this is actually how it is implemented I have no problems with that. This is actually my ideal if they simply refuse to have real transmog.
My primary concerns as it stands right now are 1. Can I make EVERY character look how I want? and 2. Can I do that with the motifs I've learned on my primary Crafter?
I don't mind the crown system. But, if that is the ONLY way to make each of my alts look how I want, then I hope that is reflected in the pricing. Ie. I refuse to pay more than I would for a crown store costume in order to unlock a new slot. And I'll likely still be salty about it and not use it as much.
But we will see how this all actually happens. Hopefully the livestream today will clear everything up.Edited by ForgeMother on January 4, 2018 8:13PMCaaly - CP373 - Orc - Sorcerer - TankNikkithea - CP373 - Argonian - Dragonknight - Tank0 -
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✭ForgeMother wrote: »A lot of the complains here are still just speculation.
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I may be wrong and we will know more in a bit, but from what I understood:- Each piece of motif/gear will be a COLLECTIBLE, usable by ANY character once unlocked (so you unlock on main, all characters can use)
- Outfit slots will be account wide. Your ACCOUNT will have ONE slot, that can be upgraded, via Crown Store, to two, three, account wide SLOTS (not COSTUMES!)
- Each character will be able to go to a now Outfit Station and use that ONE slot for each piece of gear with the collecitibles unlocked. That COMBINATION will be "saved" just like the current dye colors combinations are.
- If you confirm the slots, it will be saved until you pay a little fee to change again OR buy more slots to have several combinations saved at the same time.
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If this is actually how it is implemented I have no problems with that. This is actually my ideal if they simply refuse to have real transmog.
My primary concerns as it stands right now are 1. Can I make EVERY character look how I want? and 2. Can I do that with the motifs I've learned on my primary Crafter?
I don't mind the crown system. But if that is the ONLY way to make each of my alts look how I want then I hope that is reflected in the pricing ie. I refuse to pay more than I would for a crown store costume in order to unlock a new slot. And I'll likely still be salty about it and not use it as much.
But we will see how this all actually happens. Hopefully the livestream today will clear everything up.
You can create the outfit on your main that has the motifs and your alt can access that outfit.2 -
Amadis001✭✭✭✭Exalted_Outlander wrote: »So what exactly are you mad about? The outfit system isn't too far a cry from transmogging. Its not what I expected but I'm happy with it.
Yes it is. Build-a-costume and restyling individual pieces of gear are vastly different implementations.
But it’s exactly the same effect.
No it's not. When I take off my Ebon armor and put on my Hundings, I'll still be wearing the same custom costume. I was looking forward to being able to transmog my armor, not cover it up with a single custom costume.
It's pretty clear that this design decision was driven by how they want to monetize it. Kind of sucks that such a long-awaited feature was so badly bastardized, just so that they could sell more costume slots in the Crown Store.// Amadis of Gaul -- DK Nord (Lvl 50 CP 1000)7 -
cabbageub17_ESO✭✭✭So there will be no way to “cosmetically slot” an item that you own but may not know the motif to? If so that really stinks.3
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Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭ForgeMother wrote: »A lot of the complains here are still just speculation.
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I may be wrong and we will know more in a bit, but from what I understood:- Each piece of motif/gear will be a COLLECTIBLE, usable by ANY character once unlocked (so you unlock on main, all characters can use)
- Outfit slots will be account wide. Your ACCOUNT will have ONE slot, that can be upgraded, via Crown Store, to two, three, account wide SLOTS (not COSTUMES!)
- Each character will be able to go to a now Outfit Station and use that ONE slot for each piece of gear with the collecitibles unlocked. That COMBINATION will be "saved" just like the current dye colors combinations are.
- If you confirm the slots, it will be saved until you pay a little fee to change again OR buy more slots to have several combinations saved at the same time.
....
If this is actually how it is implemented I have no problems with that. This is actually my ideal if they simply refuse to have real transmog.
My primary concerns as it stands right now are 1. Can I make EVERY character look how I want? and 2. Can I do that with the motifs I've learned on my primary Crafter?
I don't mind the crown system. But, if that is the ONLY way to make each of my alts look how I want, then I hope that is reflected in the pricing. Ie. I refuse to pay more than I would for a crown store costume in order to unlock a new slot. And I'll likely still be salty about it and not use it as much.
But we will see how this all actually happens. Hopefully the livestream today will clear everything up.
So, the answer to number 2 is already a definitive YES. As they said, once you learn a motif on any character, it will become a collectible accessible by all, just like a skin, a mount, a costume.
The answer to 1, as I said, is likely yes too. I think people are just mixing up the term SLOT with OUTFIT and what is ACCOUNT WIDE (SLOT NUMBER) and what is CHARACTER WIDE (actual pieces on the outfit slot for that piece of equipament).2 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Where exactly does it say you can't change the appearance of each individual piece of gear?0 -
Dasovaruilos✭✭✭✭✭Okay, so Gina just posted more answers here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752753/#Comment_4752753
Looks like Slot numbers are PER CHARACTER, like Bag Space, not account wide. So you will need to buy additional ones FOR EACH CHARACTER.2 -
ForgeMother✭✭
So, the answer to number 2 is already a definitive YES. As they said, once you learn a motif on any character, it will become a collectible accessible by all, just like a skin, a mount, a costume.
The answer to 1, as I said, is likely yes too. I think people are just mixing up the term SLOT with OUTFIT and what is ACCOUNT WIDE (SLOT NUMBER) and what is CHARACTER WIDE (actual pieces on the outfit slot for that piece of equipament).Okay, so Gina just posted more answers here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752753/#Comment_4752753
Looks like Slot numbers are PER CHARACTER, like Bag Space, not account wide. So you will need to buy additional ones FOR EACH CHARACTER.
Then I'm completely happy. Can't wait for this to be implemented. (And sorry don't know how missed that number two had already been answered and reposted in this very thread oops lol)
Caaly - CP373 - Orc - Sorcerer - TankNikkithea - CP373 - Argonian - Dragonknight - Tank2 -
Mauin✭✭✭✭Edit: Nevermind. Will wait for ESO Live for more info, but I still think I'll just stick with my costumes.
I do wonder if any ESO Plus bonus will be worked into this. We can dye costumes freely, hold 200 Transmute Crystals... I wonder if we could get an extra Outfit Slot to work with?Edited by Mauin on January 4, 2018 8:45PMPC NA CP 1900+
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Sharzee'Rai --- Ruzasha-La
Landalinwe --- Astara Veturius
Taheer Stone-Arm --- Gathilien
Nyralor Fenris --- Siphons-Shadows
Sebastian Stormwind --- Vetherin Tree-Shade
Morvina Vadryon --- Jorvund the Greenshaper
Celina Veturius --- Faulrenor
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Radinyn✭✭✭✭✭> Don't even know how it will work
> HATEEdited by Radinyn on January 4, 2018 8:48PM4 -
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✭How can you be happy with something that you have not even tested yet? Not to mention they can add to it. You had to know that the crown store would be included in this system.
I can take the gear I have and change it to a motif style I own. Thank you ZOS. Need more, pay crowns.. ok.. will do. There might be a ESO plus benefit. cool if there is.XBOX NA
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✭✭✭If there's no plain transmog system, more or less like the way imperial/morag tong works now, then I'm not interested at all. Definitely going to wait and see what they say during ESO live thoughIGN @ emilypumpkin
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Dakmor_Kavu✭✭✭Sounds like this is a wonky version of what Rift has which is the second character model where you can select what style goes on what coverage.
Rift is similar in that you initially have one model, but can buy extra costume slots. Theirs is free to alter any costume at any time though, so in very curious on just how expensive Zos intend to make this0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No one has seen the new system rolled out yet ... this whole thread is speculation.1 -
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✭✭Whatever just get better serversFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info2 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I am waiting to see it on eso live .
Now look, this is no time to be sensible.5 -
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✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »Can i use heavy armor costume for my light armor character?
Yes, you can. The one restriction is that you can't make an item for one particular item slot or a weapon family look like an item for a different item slot or a different weapon family. For example, you can't make a helm look like a boot (sorry to everyone who dreamed of wearing a boot on your head), or make a bow look like a two-hander.Would love to know, as others have asked, if costume slots are per account or character. It sounds like account and I'm holding on to a tiny piece of hope that it's character. Not really wanting to buy extra slots with crowns just so each of my alts can have a unique look.
Outfit slots are per-character, much like bag space upgrades. You will be able to purchase additional ones per character with crowns.Also, does having one of the "converter" collectibles--Imperial and Morag Tong--unlock that style for outfits?
The short answer is yes, but these two are a bit of a special case. If you have the Imperial or Morag Tong "converter" Collectible, you automatically will have access to those Outfit Styles and be able to apply those styles via the Outfit System for free (since doing so is free for those who have those Collectibles now.) Just as is the case now, those two Collectibles do not give you the Imperial or Morag Tong Motif, so you still can't craft items in those styles. Once the Outfit System goes live, you will use that interface to apply those styles to your armor and weapons instead of a Crafting Station.
(Note: There is a known issue for PTS 1 where you will not see the Imperial and Morag Tong styles as available in the Outfit System if you have the Imperial or Morag Tong "converter" Collectible. This will be fixed.)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752753#Comment_4752753
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Insanepirate01✭✭✭As long as I can look what ever way I want I'm good with the system. The final goal I think should be looking whichever way you want and if they accomplish that with this system without insane requirements then Im all for it.0
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Nerouyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭For years players of this game have been asking for a transmog system, ie the ability to transform one piece of armor of certain motif, into another motif. What we got (very late) was a costume creator. This is a bastardization of the original request (what are zos devs, half genie?).
Wow, arrogant much?
Many requests have been made in these forums. In relation to character customisation, the transmog system you describe is just one of many solutions which have been proposed or requested.
My only disappointment is that it's limited to known crafting styles, which are character bound. My style guy is my old sorc who I've retired since getting my hands on the warden. So most of my characters will have fairly limited style options.0 -
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✭✭✭✭What is frankly bullspit is how ZoS twisted the players original desire for tranmog and created this outfit system completely mated to the crown store.
This outfit system matches some very popular cosmetic systems from other games and has been frequently pointed out as a way that cosmetics could work well.
IMO, it's superior to a transmog system that permanently alters gear in pretty much every way, as it allows you to find a look or looks you like and swap gear around "underneath" it for different content.Edited by DeadlyRecluse on January 4, 2018 11:34PMThrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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I highly doubt this, though there is a suspicious lack of an answer from Gina or others so far on the subject. One costume which can be made to look anyway you want for free, yet you have to use the same costume on your other toons as well unless you buy another costume slot in the crown store seems really silly.....yet really, really Zo$
This is the key question.
I assume the costume is infinitely changeable, just as one can redye things as many times as one wants for free (unlike in other games). Still, it would be a terrible nuisance to have only one costume total per account, since nobody wants to rebuild their costume each time they change characters.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Okay, so Gina just posted more answers here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4752753/#Comment_4752753
Looks like Slot numbers are PER CHARACTER, like Bag Space, not account wide. So you will need to buy additional ones FOR EACH CHARACTER.
As long as there is even one slot PER CHARACTER I have no complaint. Multiple slots PER CHARACTER is a nice-to-have ZoS is welcome to charge money for.Edited by FrancisCrawford on January 4, 2018 11:41PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For years players of this game have been asking for a transmog system, ie the ability to transform one piece of armor of certain motif, into another motif. What we got (very late) was a costume creator. This is a bastardization of the original request (what are zos devs, half genie?). So now instead of the player base getting the simple system that they asked for, we can create ONE costume the creating and editing of which will cost an as yet undetermined amount of gold, and the ability to create more than one costume will be sold for real money via the crown store.
I am not against the crown store, nor against monetizing certain aspects of the game. I understand that revenue is essential to development and continued support for this IP. What is frankly bullspit is how ZoS twisted the players original desire for tranmog and created this outfit system completely mated to the crown store. And of course we still lack an actual transmog system, ie the ability to change the style "motif" of any peice of gear.
So basically this big, long promised simple transmog function will be a "free" costume (please tell me that it will not take inventory / bank space !
) that you can customize to your liking by spending a LOT of gold and most likely time grinding for new special crafting mats (just like crafting furniture requires blueprints & mats)... or... spend real money to safe half a year of grinding....
But hey ! It is free !
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on January 4, 2018 11:43PM0
