"Meta" PvE Stam Dk?

SoLooney · December 2017

stam dk - nmg vo
stam dk - sunderflame vo
stam dk - morag tong vo
stamplar - war machine and powerful assault

u can switch out vo for hundings

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

What about NMG and Morag combined?

We generally don't have anyone running 2 "buff sets," unless one of those people is a stamplar/stamblade and one of those sets is War Machine.

Two reasons: first, there's going to be a huge DPS disparity between the person running NMG/Morag Tong and the person next to them who gets to run VO/Hunding's. Second, your whole stam team takes a huge DPS loss if the person wearing 2 buff sets dies. For the second reason primarily we like to keep the buff sets spread out evenly across the group.

So basically I should run either

Hundings + Sunder
Hundings + Morag
Hundings + VO
Hundings + Agility + Masters DW/2 Piece Wpn Dmg
NightMothers + VO
NightMothers + Agility + Masters DW/2 Piece Wpn Smh

(Agility and a 2 Piece to replace VO)

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Another question, Is it optimal to run 5/1/1 on a Stam dps or run all 7 medium?

GreenhaloX · December 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

Hey man, all is well, I was just sharing my view and opinion (which we are entitled to such is this public forum), until you came along on your high mount and stirred up shitt. Whether directly or indirect, we are entitled to comment. My first toon is a StamDK and still is my main all these years. Thus, I feel I can contribute somewhat, to give the OP something to think about. It may not be what he is looking for, but it's something else outside of the box that can or can be intriguing or not. It's just a reply and a comment to a thread piece. I mean, what you have put out is good information. Sure, folks use the build and some folks may not. It may be meta to you, and at the same time, it may not be for others. Again, it's all good if it works for you, and your group have fair well with it. No damn soapbox here.. I'm not trolling the OP thread or doing anything to sabotage it. Just respect everybody's comments or contribution, whether it reflect directly or indirectly to the topic or discussion.

ArchMikem · December 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli

People have given me that setup in my own thread asking about a StamDK. Basically pump up your Physical Penetration and go to town with your DoTs. Also, apparently, spam Heavy Attacks with Molten Armaments. It didn't raise my DPS at all, but apparently that's what everyone else does.

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli

People have given me that setup in my own thread asking about a StamDK. Basically pump up your Physical Penetration and go to town with your DoTs. Also, apparently, spam Heavy Attacks with Molten Armaments. It didn't raise my DPS at all, but apparently that's what everyone else does.

Well it's supposed to help sustain

KingYogi415 · December 2017

Alcasthq.com

Enjoy!

HatchetHaro · December 2017

Shameless self-plug time.

I've written a detailed stamina DK guide that hopefully covers everything you need to know about stamina DKs.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/hatchetharos-virulent-scourge-stamina-dk-pve-dps-morrowind/

Also included is a really short video on the subject if you find yourself short on time and want it given to you in less than 2 minutes.

https://youtu.be/7YxCoYsPt7o

MCBIZZLE300 · December 2017

Milvan wrote: »

imHUMBLEo:

Night Mothers + Sunderflame + Mephalas/Veli No. In my trials one stam uses NMG, and a different one uses sunder flame. Never one uses both.

Hundings + Agility + Masters DW + Mephalas/Veli If you don't have VO, it's okayish. You can either change the hundings to NMG or Sunderflame depeding on the group.

Night Mothers + Twice Fanged + Mephalas/Veli Only for solo content or poorly optimized trial runs.

Morag Tong + Hundings + Mephalas/Veli Yes, but only if your trial run have 4 stamdks (1 with NMG, 1 Sunderflame, 1 morag tong, 1 free).

Edit: FearTurbo isn't very beginners friendly but it's a top quality content: fearturbo.com/combustion/

This is the correct answer.
Either wear NMG and vo (or another damage set) or sunderflame with a damage set. or double damage set if both of those sets are already bieng used (hundings vo, briaheart hundings, briar vo etc)

Daedric_NB_187 · December 2017

What about for a Stamsorc?

Ohhgrizyyy · December 2017

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

What about for a Stamsorc?

Probably roughly the same just no Morag Tong or Mephalas

Insandros · December 2017

Why do people always try to copy other and jsut don't freaking try stuff for themselves, always made me laugh people going ont he internet copying other build and then going all rawdy in game showing off thei hot big numbers... well dude, you work out nothing to get those numbers, you copied someone elses.

MassTerror23 · December 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

Sounds good but it isn't a trial set up which is what he's looking for.

MassTerror23 · December 2017

Insandros wrote: »

Why do people always try to copy other and jsut don't freaking try stuff for themselves, always made me laugh people going ont he internet copying other build and then going all rawdy in game showing off thei hot big numbers... well dude, you work out nothing to get those numbers, you copied someone elses.

Well maybe he's trying to become more involved in vet trials which you can't be a stam and go in on a theory craft build.

trowlk · December 2017

Before I starded to play stamina dragonknight, I played magicka DK.
It all started as a RP fire mage Dunmer but eventually her gameplay grew on me and geared her with silks of the sun and burning spellweave sets.
Then I got tired of neither having enough stamina for stealth nor being enough stealthy.
But I didn't want her gameplay be based on the poison abilities that come along with all relating to stamina.
She is know as Hong Shan Long, dragon of the red mountain. Fire and stone shaped her past, along with her Tsaeci Dragonknight tutor.

Shadow of the Red Mountain, Sunderflame and Valkyn Skoria are her stamina sets.

Must know stuff about my build, the rest is story.

Max Penetration Caps:

Piercing Constelation Atribute: 18 points. No more no less.
Major Fracture, applied by your Noxious Breath or tank.
Infused Crushing Enchant, this physical and magical penetration enchant and the infused trait must be used on your main hand.

For Soloing or Solo queue group dungeons as the only stamina player:
1- Lover Mundus Stone. To compensate the lack of major breach and increase set damage.
2- Sharpened weapon in off hand. Necessary to achieve maximun armor penetration.

For organized Trials or organized group dungeons:
1- Warrior Mundus Stone. To increase overall physical damage.
2- Need to group up with players who own Night Mother's Gaze and Alkosh sets.

Izaki · December 2017

The best way to organize sets is:

NMG + Morag Tong
Sunderflame + Hundings
War Machine + Hunding's
Vicious Ophidian + Hunding's/Briarheart

And if you've got 5 stams, just use another War Machine.

LiquidPony wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Milvan wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I never use NMG or even VO, really; but hey, if it works for you, it's cool. To me, though.. NMG, for one, crit needs to hit in order to activate it, and it's not all that when it does hit. For my StamDK, I don't use Hunding or the Thief boon. I slot Warrior boon, so, I don't have a lot of crit chance. I prefer higher stamina and weapon damage build. Plus, the Noxious Breath fairs quite well in breaking down the target's spell/physical resist, and you hit multiple targets with this. As for the VO, of course you have to kill the target to get the stam replenished. To me, heavy attack with a 2H fairs quite well in replenishing the stamina. Plus now, you get an extra 25% with the Revitalizing passive. I also don't follow Meta. To me, it is just like when a crowd has gathered to protest something. Some people just go there because there's a crowd, and a lot don't even know what or why they are protesting. Meta (and BiS, as well) is just something a lot of people think something should be, and it really doesn't work for everyone. Again, well, if it works for you, then, it's all good.

Anyways, on my 2H StamDK, I use 5x Ravaging and 5x Sword Singers and a Molag Kena helm. It's a casual set and nothing fancy, but it still works quite well in cutting or melting down anything in PvE land. I just like the perk of the 5-piece Ravaging. Oh, when that hits and you get that orange-ish glow around you, I pop Rally, and that overall weapon damage rating just skyrockets. With the previous Wrath, I was hitting well over 5k; heck, even into the mid-5k max weapon damage for PvE. Well, since they killed the Wrath passive, I'd now be in the high 4k or maybe hit 5k; it's still fine, though. Plus, the perk from the 5-piece Sword Singer for something like Wrecking Blow, Brawler or Executioner; it is just so juicy not to use it for a 2H stam build.

Even on my DW StamDK or StamPlar, I slot the Ravaging for a set; either with Spriggans, Viper or whatever other stam/weapon damage set. Heck, even the Shadow of the Red Mountain is looking kind of intriguing with the new perk from the 5-piece. Overall, for a StamDK, it is also about what skillsets you are slotting and the rotations. Any sets you have on as your build, if you are using good skillsets and rotations, you will be fine.

I don't mean to be rude, just a small heads up.

It's okay to play as you want. especially if you want to roleplay your way throught PVE overland content. But I'm pretty sure that OP is asking what's the meta not what's our opinion about the meta.

Also, if op wants to "get into PvE a bit more" he/she will definitely need to hit more than 5k dps. And by that I mean at least 6 times that.

5k dps.. ha ha ha. I can do more than that going around with just my fists and in underwear. Such an ignorant post/reply of your. Just because you may not like a set, and may not work for you, it doesn't mean it is not good or won't work for others. I say the same about NMG and Morug Tong. To me, both are crap sets, but it doesn't mean it is not good for somebody else. Also, for PvE, you really don't need VO as part of a damage dealing set. Good and nice to have, but not a must. Also, Meta is a matter of opinion. There is nothing official that dictates something to be meta. It is what folks think or believe the set, pieces, build, whatever, should be, and it doesn't mean it for everyone. I'm just sharing another concept/build on a very effective StamDK. If you or any don't think so, then, it's a matter of your opinion. It's cool.

To quote Douglas Adams:

"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."

Sure, "the meta" is an opinion ... but it's an evidence-based opinion derived from what people are using to achieve the highest leaderboard scores, the highest combat metrics parses, the highest raid skeleton parses, etc.

Calling NMG and Morag Tong "crap sets" is not a good opinion. You just don't like them. They're not bad.

But of course, different strokes for different folks. I'm sure your build is fine for picking flowers or fighting world bosses or whatever ... but when you want to burn Rakkhat on pad 5 or no-portal Mantikora, you're going to need a build that is something like "the meta."

Ha ha ha.. that's right, I do pick flowers, reagents, ores, mats and all that jazz. I have tons and never need anyone to craft anything for me or potentially get ripped off when trying to buy some of those from some randoms on zone chats. Nice quote, by the way. There are definitely intelligent folks playing this game, other than masses of potentially brain cells-challenged folks.

Anyways, dude or dudette, this is just a ffing video game. You have mistaken me for someone who cares about leaders board or how much more dps you have than someone else. Get off your high mount. You sound just like an elitist wannabe joker. You can burn whatever you want when you have 8-9 dpsers, 2 healers constantly spamming heal over everybody and tanks able to do their jobs by keeping the boss at bay so all those dd/dpsers can do what dpsers are supposed to do. Well, good for you and all you constantly vying to be on or get on top of the leaders board; if it's what gives you all meaning and relevance. However, for me, it's just a video game for entertainment and no need to be some ESO bad asses or hardcore gamers. I have plenty of other real world things that give me meaning, relevancy and fulfillment; but, if being a bad ass or Gods of ESO gives you that, then it's all good.

However, it is quite hilarious, though, when posting things on this forum and just sharing your view, build and whatnot, then, it never fails to have some elitist wannabe jump on your post and comments bashing and whatever.. i.e., you suck, your build sucks, you suck because you're not on the leaders board or showing Flawless on your title. Get the hell outta here, just a damn video game. Play with whatever build/setup you want and enjoy the game. I don't need to be on what world first this, world first to that group or guild. Cool, if those of you are all that, but, you don't need 50 to 100 dps or be on any leaders board to get through any PvE contents, or endgames, or to enjoy ESO.

That's all well and good, but ... what does any of this have to do with a discussion in which OP very clearly asks for Meta PvE StamDK builds? Why is it necessary to insert your "I don't follow the meta" rant into this discussion? Who cares? This isn't your soapbox.

To the OP, our group runs the following stam DPS comp:

StamDK 1: Sunderflame + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 2: Morag Tong + Hunding's/VO/Briarheart + Velidreth/Kra'gh
Stamplar: NMG + War Machine + Stormfist/Kra'gh
Stamblade: VO + War Machine/Hunding's + Velidreth/Kra'gh
StamDK 3: Hunding's + VO + Velidreth/Kra'gh

Sometimes the third StamDK and the stamplar switch, so the stamDK runs NMG + VO/Hunding's and the stamplar runs War Machine + Automaton/Hunding's.

Of course, the third stamDK is only there for some content (we run 5 stam in vHoF but only 4 in vMoL, for instance).

To that end, most of the stamDKs try to have Sunderflame, Morag Tong, VO, and Hunding's available, because different content calls for different stuff (VO is really nice in vHoF for instance), and it's nice to be able to flex gear around if people can't make a raid.

Of your proposed setups, I'd recommend Morag Tong (which is a really nice buff to stam DPS and particularly the other stamDKs in the group) + Hunding's + Velidreth.

What about NMG and Morag combined?

We generally don't have anyone running 2 "buff sets," unless one of those people is a stamplar/stamblade and one of those sets is War Machine.

Two reasons: first, there's going to be a huge DPS disparity between the person running NMG/Morag Tong and the person next to them who gets to run VO/Hunding's. Second, your whole stam team takes a huge DPS loss if the person wearing 2 buff sets dies. For the second reason primarily we like to keep the buff sets spread out evenly across the group.

NMG + Morag Tong is actually pretty huge DPS...

Izaki · December 2017

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

LiquidPony · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

MakoFore · December 2017

its all situational, there is no such thing as bis in pve- only best in each situation, best for parses, best for 4 man, best solo, best trial in each situation and so on . point is- to be a bona fide top DD - you ll need all those sets and be ready to adjust for each situation.

Izaki · December 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EiDh4_I08

HatchetHaro · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

Stam DKs are much more flexible and benefit much more from Morag Tong. The best parses right now are from stam DKs, though I personally think that stamsorcs are almost on par with them in terms of single-target damage.

Though yes, I agree that stamsorcs are better with AoE damage, but you can get plenty of AoE damage in trash pulls with steel tornado, and in most boss fights single-target damage with decent AoE cleave should be more than enough.

I just like to switch between both. I like the sustain and flexibility of my stam DK, but I also like the survivability of my stamsorc.

Mister_DMC · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EiDh4_I08

What about using shrouded daggers on a DK instead of noxious?

MaddPowered · December 2017

Stamplar runs WM and Hundings
StamDK 1 runs NMG / Morag
StamDK 2 runs Sunder / Hundings
StamDK 3 runs Hudings / VO

Nemesis7884 · December 2017

what for solo play, do you think something like swamp raider + morag tong might work well or rather something like briarheart + hundings?

HatchetHaro · December 2017

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EiDh4_I08

What about using shrouded daggers on a DK instead of noxious?

No. It's less damage. Noxious Breath may be a meh ability, but it's still among the best skills you can slot on a stam DK.

Izaki · December 2017

MaddPowered wrote: »

Stamplar runs WM and Hundings
StamDK 1 runs NMG / Morag
StamDK 2 runs Sunder / Hundings
StamDK 3 runs Hudings / VO

Stamplars lose DPS by running War Machine, they do more DPS by using Ballsita. If you want a War Machine in the group, you better get a Stamblade. Incap is the best Stamblade ultimate anyway so War Machine just makes it better, whereas Crescent Sweep is pretty terrible compared to Ballsita. So if you really wanted to optimize everything, the Stamplar would be running VO Hunding's and the Stamblade would be running WM Hunding's.

Izaki · December 2017

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EiDh4_I08

What about using shrouded daggers on a DK instead of noxious?

No. It's less damage. Noxious Breath may be a meh ability, but it's still among the best skills you can slot on a stam DK.

You'd do more DPS just by doing an extra heavy attack in your rotation than applying Noxious Breath or HIdden Blade ^^

HatchetHaro · December 2017

Izaki wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Oh and by the way: I don't get the hype behind DKs. Stam Sorcs do more ST and AoE DPS anyway.

I got stamDKs hitting ~70k on big skeleton parses.

Stamsorcs doing that much?

And why more AoE? It's Hurricane versus Noxious + Standard, right?

IIRC I was having a conversation with someone from Mechanically Challenged the other day who had the opinion that stamDKs have better AoE.

Noxious has got to be the crappiest Stam DK skill, for the most part its not even worth slotting. With Morag Tong it kind of becomes alright, but its still not worth using over an extra Heavy Attack in the rotation IMHO. Flames of Oblivion just does more ST DPS ^^

Standard and Noxious vs Hurricane and Hidden Blade. I highly doubt the former is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2EiDh4_I08

What about using shrouded daggers on a DK instead of noxious?

No. It's less damage. Noxious Breath may be a meh ability, but it's still among the best skills you can slot on a stam DK.

You'd do more DPS just by doing an extra heavy attack in your rotation than applying Noxious Breath or HIdden Blade ^^

Single-target wise, yes, but including Noxious Breath is better when there are additional enemies in the fight. It is also great for applying Major Fracture, especially on targets which the tanks aren't targetting. I would still recommend slotting and using it for those fights.

EDIT: From just doing maths on my existing parses, it appeared to be so; but in actual testing I've done just a moment ago (with a Nightblade doing Mark Target), Noxious Breath's damage is on par with a heavy attack, not necessarily higher or lower, but it does get buffed by Morag Tong, and its AoE damage is still really good, so I'd still recommend using it.

I'll have to do more in-depth testing just in case its just RNG and lucky crits, but that will have to wait a bit, and sitting at a dummy just parsing away is not exactly my idea of fun.