Finally Encountered the Infamous Build

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

Until just a few seconds, I had heard of the build that everyone is talking about in which people run 2H and S&B while being completely immune to CC and damage for the most part. And is capable of dishing out skyhigh damage. I thought this was just a rumor, as Morrowind nerfed a lot of things. And how supposedly healing was nerfed in PvP. Boy oh boy was I mistaken...

This joker was at 30k HP, ran 2H and S&B, absorbed the damage of no lie 10 people wailing on him (colonels and above), and managed to kill us all no problem. He generated ultimate like nothing I have ever seen, and seemingly appeared to have no problems with sustain. Even though everyone is running resource poisons. It was a StamDK we were fighting by the way, and no. He wasn’t emperor. And no, we could barely CC him outside of an occasional Fossilize (which wasn’t that effective).

What type of super build is this, and why is it growing that popular all of a sudden? I usually duel in Auridon, and had heard of a growing trend in either StamDK’s or StamWardens with ridiculous sustain, damage, and healing. And are completely immune somewhat to resource poisons.

And before someone asks, no. They weren’t wearing Troll King. They were wearing Blood Spawn. Although, I have been noticing that Troll King’s usage has spiked ridiculously these past few weeks for whatever the reason in both duels and Cyrodiil.

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

Did Kita start playing again? @kita

Neoauspex · December 2017

Sounds like a 5pc cheat engine set

Ragnarock41 · December 2017

There isn't any set that lets you 10v1 against good players. simple as that.
Its either cheat engine or you're all pugs. No class, not even stamden, can go ahead, permablock, and then kill 10 good players.
Something is off here. Again its either

A. cheats
B.exploit, bug.
C.Puggy eyes.

Even a good emperor only takes 4-5 coordinated people to kill.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

Neoauspex wrote: »

Sounds like a 5pc cheat engine set

I’m not calling it CE, as I don’t know if it’s possible to use CE on PS4. However! I have never seen anyone be able to generate ultimate as fast as I just witnessed. Dude hit us with Ferocious Leap, and within seconds later (roughly 5 to 7seconds) was able to pop Corrosive Armor. It was insane. Happened on PS4-NA in Vivec. Was a Daggerfall player who did it. Didn’t save the video, as I didn’t want to get banned for “naming and shaming” here on the forums if it did turn out that the player was in fact cheating. Otherwise, I’d post the clip as I normally do with things that I find questionable.

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

My money is on pugs.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

My money is on pugs.

1 of us was a General, and 2 were August Palatines. I myself am a Colonel. The others were a mix of Tribunes and Brigadiers.

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

And, I watch potato GO’s on NAPC turn into 1vX fodder.

Reverb · December 2017

There are CE configs for consoles, ready to be downloaded onto a thumb drive and installed on your device. If you get caught you risk having your console bricked, but that doesn't stop people from doing it.

Maybe this person is using CE, probably not, but don't think you're safe from 3rd party exploit tools just because you're on console.

Teuton67 · December 2017

I’m still trying to figure out the value of “completely immune somewhat”.

Buffler · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

My money is on pugs.

1 of us was a General, and 2 were August Palatines. I myself am a Colonel. The others were a mix of Tribunes and Brigadiers.

Pvp rank means nothing, apart from you're either good at building walls or you have a resto staff.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

Teuton67 wrote: »

I’m still trying to figure out the value of “completely immune somewhat”.

I’ll elaborate. Fossilize tends to be “iffy” in Cyrodiil for me. Sometimes it’s greyed out, even though my opponent doesn’t have the swirls around them (identifying as CC immunity), nor is outside of my 8m range (which is absolutely horrible on an ability like Fossilize). So what happens is, I’ll try to use Fossilize and nothing will happen. And this occurs even when it isn’t greyed out. I’d switch to Stone Giant, but opposing DK’s would be a problem. Plus, I find Fossilize to be the most effective hard-CC in ESO (outside of Nightblade’s Fear).

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Teuton67 wrote: »

I’m still trying to figure out the value of “completely immune somewhat”.

I’ll elaborate. Fossilize tends to be “iffy” in Cyrodiil for me. Sometimes it’s greyed out, even though my opponent doesn’t have the swirls around them (identifying as CC immunity), nor is outside of my 8m range (which is absolutely horrible on an ability like Fossilize). So what happens is, I’ll try to use Fossilize and nothing will happen. And this occurs even when it isn’t greyed out. I’d switch to Stone Giant, but opposing DK’s would be a problem. Plus, I find Fossilize to be the most effective hard-CC in ESO (outside of Nightblade’s Fear).

Could be chugging immovable speed potions , I know I have around 4-5k immovable speeds on me at any given time.

Ch4mpTW · December 2017

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Teuton67 wrote: »

I’m still trying to figure out the value of “completely immune somewhat”.

I’ll elaborate. Fossilize tends to be “iffy” in Cyrodiil for me. Sometimes it’s greyed out, even though my opponent doesn’t have the swirls around them (identifying as CC immunity), nor is outside of my 8m range (which is absolutely horrible on an ability like Fossilize). So what happens is, I’ll try to use Fossilize and nothing will happen. And this occurs even when it isn’t greyed out. I’d switch to Stone Giant, but opposing DK’s would be a problem. Plus, I find Fossilize to be the most effective hard-CC in ESO (outside of Nightblade’s Fear).

Could be chugging immovable speed potions , I know I have around 4-5k immovable speeds on me at any given time.

So that could potentially explain the CC immunity part of what transpired, but how in the world was dude generating so much ultimate? And how was he able to absorb so much damage, and put out super high damage numbers? Usually there is a trade-off of sorts. You’re either incredibly tanky, but have atrocious damage dealing. You have incredible sustain, but have bad damage dealing. And so on. Not all 3.

Farscape76 · December 2017

I main a stamdk and am not a (completely) horrible player and I just don't see how this build would be possible without some kind of "extra" game mechanics. If 5 Colonel's and above sneezed in my general direction I would have died.

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

There’s a player on AD NA PC I run with regularly that I have seen win fights like this regularly by himself. You probably encountered a top tier DK. You can turn out hella dmg in tanky set like seventh legion of which have 0 GCD and can active multiple times in seconds healing the user and giving them 500 ish wpn dmg. Bloodspawn probably just gave him even better sustain, sounds like you got LoS kited by a top Tier DK and you guys all got baited into the classic turtle burst that punishes players trying to Xv1 zerg down good players.

Karmanorway · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Teuton67 wrote: »

I’m still trying to figure out the value of “completely immune somewhat”.

I’ll elaborate. Fossilize tends to be “iffy” in Cyrodiil for me. Sometimes it’s greyed out, even though my opponent doesn’t have the swirls around them (identifying as CC immunity), nor is outside of my 8m range (which is absolutely horrible on an ability like Fossilize). So what happens is, I’ll try to use Fossilize and nothing will happen. And this occurs even when it isn’t greyed out. I’d switch to Stone Giant, but opposing DK’s would be a problem. Plus, I find Fossilize to be the most effective hard-CC in ESO (outside of Nightblade’s Fear).

Could be chugging immovable speed potions , I know I have around 4-5k immovable speeds on me at any given time.

So that could potentially explain the CC immunity part of what transpired, but how in the world was dude generating so much ultimate? And how was he able to absorb so much damage, and put out super high damage numbers? Usually there is a trade-off of sorts. You’re either incredibly tanky, but have atrocious damage dealing. You have incredible sustain, but have bad damage dealing. And so on. Not all 3.

Sounds like a setup i use on my stamden,
Blood spawn + werewolf hide + asylum 2 hander, decisive trait on SnB backbar. With that setup i generate dawnbreaker in about 7 sec

QuebraRegra · December 2017

vid or it didn't happen...

that said I've seen one or two players over the years exhibit some very "odd" behavior abilities... one player really was quite invulnerable, and we've killed a lotta emps in out times. I sometimes wonder if it's kiddies tinkering with the network end, and exploiting netcode deficiencies?

Asmael · December 2017

Bloodspawn, 7th Legion, Werewolf hide (most likely since you mention high ult gen, probably an Asylum 2H as well), probably 2 or 3 WD glyphs, Serpent or Warrior mundus with Immovable / Stam / Major expedition potions (if kiting) or some Immovable / health / stamina (if permablocking). Immovable potions seem likely since you mention high CC immunity uptime. That said, I suspect he runs 7th / Fury instead, since I'm around 28k HP in Cyro with no emp buff (the faction HP one, not actual emperorship).

I run a similar setup, but the general idea is there, and yush, you can absolutely kill 8-10 scrubs with it. And yes, high PvP rank is absolutely meaningless.

And the ultimate secret to this build: facing absolutely horrible players. Probably the best kept secret of 1vX.

EDIT: Also, Continuous Attack buff from capping a keep / resource as @Waffennacht mentioned. 20% stam / mag recovery and 10% WD buff is absolutely gigantic.

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

vid or it didn't happen...

that said I've seen one or two players over the years exhibit some very "odd" behavior abilities... one player really was quite invulnerable, and we've killed a lotta emps in out times. I sometimes wonder if it's kiddies tinkering with the network end, and exploiting netcode deficiencies?

Nah

Rainraven · December 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Until just a few seconds, I had heard of the build that everyone is talking about in which people run 2H and S&B while being completely immune to CC and damage for the most part. And is capable of dishing out skyhigh damage. I thought this was just a rumor, as Morrowind nerfed a lot of things. And how supposedly healing was nerfed in PvP. Boy oh boy was I mistaken...

This joker was at 30k HP, ran 2H and S&B, absorbed the damage of no lie 10 people wailing on him (colonels and above), and managed to kill us all no problem. He generated ultimate like nothing I have ever seen, and seemingly appeared to have no problems with sustain. Even though everyone is running resource poisons. It was a StamDK we were fighting by the way, and no. He wasn’t emperor. And no, we could barely CC him outside of an occasional Fossilize (which wasn’t that effective).

What type of super build is this, and why is it growing that popular all of a sudden? I usually duel in Auridon, and had heard of a growing trend in either StamDK’s or StamWardens with ridiculous sustain, damage, and healing. And are completely immune somewhat to resource poisons.

And before someone asks, no. They weren’t wearing Troll King. They were wearing Blood Spawn. Although, I have been noticing that Troll King’s usage has spiked ridiculously these past few weeks for whatever the reason in both duels and Cyrodiil.

Ten high ranks and you were all running resource poisons? Gross.

imredneckson · December 2017

Love watching that build in action. Most people are trying to keep it a secret for good reason and I want it to stay that way

A_G_G_R_O · December 2017

Please secret, it’s a FoTM kodi build.
Nothing on Kodi, but ya it’s not some secret build lol it’s been sold out to the community via YouTube. Hence the massively uptake of standers in pvp.

Waffennacht · December 2017

Heals give ult
Light attack gives ult
Bloodspawn gives ult
2H asylum gives ult
Killing players gives ult (alliance line)
Killing vamps/ww gives ult (fighter line)

Blocking reduces DMG by 80% or more

Taking a resource/keep gives insane amount of buffs via alliance line

Immovable pots and Immovable poisons have like 20+ sec of CC immunity

Fury means being attacked by multiple players + block = free 750 wpn/spell DMG at like 0 cost (which buffs heals too)

Fury + Impregnable + sturdy + bloodspawn = how u gonna kill me?

DocFrost72 · December 2017

5 piece varen's legacy will make a DK deep breath (or leap) hit obnoxiously hard, all they need to do is hold block to proc.

For reference: 10% chance on block that the next area of effect attack you use will deal an additional 3000 damage.

So, their deep breath/inhale what have you heals them to full if they have 6 melee enemies wailing on them. They typically wear 8 sturdy and rings with reduce block cost enchants (explains lack of cc effectiveness too).

Sound like what you hit?

Waffennacht · December 2017

I'm also aware @Ch4mpTW isn't the best PvPer, not knocking you @Ch4mpTW , but let's be real, you're more like my skill level than someone like Kodi, @zParallaxz etc

LiquidPony · December 2017

Werewolf Hide + Bloodspawn. Asylum 2H. Can be combined with Dragon or Potentates for crazy ulti uptime or some other set for a more balanced build.

I know a very good PvP stamDK who runs Werewolf Hide + Bloodspawn + Bone Pirate and it is a brutal build, incredible sustain and a constant stream of ulti. Could also combine with something like Barkskin or Ranger for immunity.

akredon_ESO · December 2017

@Ch4mpTW What class was it ? lately i been having issues with DKs just Tanking the freakin world.

and for those that play DK im not trying to target you im just saying some people have been playing the class stupidly well and its annoying lol

DUUUR just read it was a stam DK --- i need my coffee

imredneckson · December 2017

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Please secret, it’s a FoTM kodi build.
Nothing on Kodi, but ya it’s not some secret build lol it’s been sold out to the community via YouTube. Hence the massively uptake of standers in pvp.

It's not Kodi's take a look a Elusiveshady's stam DK tank

lynog85 · December 2017

Sounds like you encountered a stam warden and got rekt. If youre 10 ppl and get rekt by any.one person. You need to all evaluate your own skill level. Thats shocking tbh.

Liofa · December 2017

10 players , all Colonels or above , against 1 target . All 10 dies . LOL .