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Should your highest mount speed apply to all toons?
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Yamakaziing✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.Edited by Yamakaziing on December 28, 2017 4:51AM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.
60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on December 28, 2017 5:23AM1 -
Yamakaziing✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.
No no no... I've already maxed out my toons in pretty much everything. Also when I make a toon, it sits at the stable for months until it's ready to ride fast. That is months of time I could have been lvlig up other things and buying crown items associated with that toon. Many other people I talk to in eso agree with me. Some don't... but yes it is a majority rules here.
My solution is a good one. I've spent the time and money already. You just trolling trying to hinder change. There is nothing wrong with faster mount speed. It will encourage people to use their alts and spend more crowns on things for that alt. Virtually and from a marketing standpoint. No money would be lost. Adding more items to the crown store for us to buy too is just a great idea all together if they really concerned about losing out on speed lesson money.
Just because players like us who have been playing a long time don't want things to be any different doesn't mean you'll get what you want or a refund for your 250 gold pieces a day of that mount speed.Edited by Yamakaziing on December 28, 2017 6:06AM1 -
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60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.
no yama whatever seperated speed from the other 2 so 60 points only. it is not 6months.0 -
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60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.
no yama whatever seperated speed from the other 2 so 60 points only. it is not 6months.
It's 60 speed, 60 inventory, and 60 stamina, 180 points total on a 20h cd so close to 6 months1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭logging in to click on a vendor once a day is NOT playing, its NOT activity its a BOTHER. having to stop what you are doing becasue notification that your character's cooldown for mount leveling is up? is annoying.
why WHY are you totally ok with paying crowns to speed up the process... but not in game gold? why are you so stuck on this ridiculously unfun thing, when there are things in game that are actualy gameplay that encourage you to log in every day without hindering your fun on a small, yet insidious level?
it really stinks of "I suffered, so now you must suffer as well" and that is NOT a good reason - sorry, not sorry.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***1 -
Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
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60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.
no yama whatever seperated speed from the other 2 so 60 points only. it is not 6months.
It's 60 speed, 60 inventory, and 60 stamina, 180 points total on a 20h cd so close to 6 months
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.
60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.
It does not take 180 points to upgrade speed.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭I've stated in other, similar threads that I think that each mount's speed/stam/bag should be account bound, however each different mount should have to be trained independently.
Example - Brown Sorrel Horse (BSH) is at 60/60/60 on character 1, all other characters should be able to access BSH and have it be fully trained. However, if you elect to purchase a Rainbow Brite Guar (RBG), you will now have to train it up for 180 days to get the same effect. Theoretically since the mounts are account bound, you're just accessing the same mount at your account stable (different rider - same mount), but why should a completely different mount be fully trained just because a certain rider sits on top?
That's my opinion anyway.
No, please. ESO was once like this but worse - mounts could not max all 3 stats. The only remnants of this terrible system are in the mount descriptions. I hope ESO never reverts to this.0 -
zacvanm✭✭✭I think we should have the option of buying multiple at a time. Like say I only had the good for 30 speed that day, buy it and have to wait 20 hours to do so again. Or buy all at once if I have enough gold.EP Nord StamDK PvP
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Pele✭✭✭✭✭
All of Cyrodiil just facepalmed.They do need an option to grind it faster. Like some sort of daily. Otherwise mount speed isn't really a big deal.I think we should have the option of buying multiple at a time. Like say I only had the good for 30 speed that day, buy it and have to wait 20 hours to do so again. Or buy all at once if I have enough gold.
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✭I think we should have the option of buying multiple at a time. Like say I only had the good for 30 speed that day, buy it and have to wait 20 hours to do so again. Or buy all at once if I have enough gold.
thats the same thing as buy all at once. thats 15k to max speed. anyone can get that easily0 -
Yamakaziing✭✭✭I think we should have the option of buying multiple at a time. Like say I only had the good for 30 speed that day, buy it and have to wait 20 hours to do so again. Or buy all at once if I have enough gold.
thats the same thing as buy all at once. thats 15k to max speed. anyone can get that easily
Up the price in gold then if it makes you happy to 250k thenEdited by Yamakaziing on December 28, 2017 8:36AM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.
No no no... I've already maxed out my toons in pretty much everything. Also when I make a toon, it sits at the stable for months until it's ready to ride fast. That is months of time I could have been lvlig up other things and buying crown items associated with that toon. Many other people I talk to in eso agree with me. Some don't... but yes it is a majority rules here.
My solution is a good one. I've spent the time and money already. You just trolling trying to hinder change. There is nothing wrong with faster mount speed. It will encourage people to use their alts and spend more crowns on things for that alt. Virtually and from a marketing standpoint. No money would be lost. Adding more items to the crown store for us to buy too is just a great idea all together if they really concerned about losing out on speed lesson money.
Just because players like us who have been playing a long time don't want things to be any different doesn't mean you'll get what you want or a refund for your 250 gold pieces a day of that mount speed.
LMAO. So because Im in disagreeance with you Im trolling? Well if that doesnt automatically invalidate anything you have to say. But Ill be nice and instead of reporting you for baiting. Ill simply point out how absurd you are.
You say many people agree with you on this topic, and that somehow means theres a majority rule here. Let me explain something to you. This is not a democracy. And you havent spoken to a majority of players. Even if you had an account on every platform and server. You havent spoken to nearly enough people to ever claim that you have a majority backing you.
You say that faster speed will encourage people to play alts and spend more money. I challenge you to back that up with facts....Wait. Considering the "I talk to a lot of people" nonsense I take that back. Dont back it up. We both know this is just as nonsensical as the first statement. Plenty of people are spending money right this moment. No need for Horse Speed to be gifted to alts. Heck, I spend money on alts all the time. Im all about that Fantasy Barbie. Each one of my 14 alts has if not one, multiple Crown Store and Crown Crate costumes. And I dont need upgraded speed for my alts either. When Morrowind dropped I quickly created two new baby characters and slowly jogged across Vvardenfell. And I enjoyed every slow moment of it.
The only thing in this game that requires speed is PvP and that can be circumvented with Horse Crack. And I already stated that it takes you 40 days max to start really feeling the difference in upgrades for Speed. So you are purposefully leaving your alts stagnant for months, way more than necessary just so you can come on here and complain? Just so you can act as if ZOS has wasted your time? No one makes you park your alts and not touch them for months over some silly rule about being max speed. Thats all on you, not ZOS and not the game. There isnt a single thing in PvE that would demand you have max speed from the start. There has been at most 10 million players that have played this game and all of them have had to endure the 60 days to max speed. All of them were still able to access content and enjoy it. A lack of horse speed never prevented that.
Funny that you would end your comment talking about not getting what you want. Which is exactly what this sort of thread boils down to. You and everyone else that wants this to change is just going to have to accept that you arent going to get what you want. In this instance, what ZOS wants and what I am okay with align. I dont actually want a refund. Im okay with taking the time to upgrade my horses one at a time for 6 month periods. Because I play the game regularly and if I cant log in to upgrade for a day or a few. Its not going to kill me. The games not going anywhere and neither is my interest. Especially not over horse upgrades.
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Yamakaziing✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Yamakaziing wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Okay real talk.
The mechanics of mound feeding, and waiting for research were so mind bogglingly weird for a sub game or a B2P game, that it was...odd to see them still intact.
They just need to both be removed. Of course we know now why they held onto them, to move crowns. But come on. Who seriously spends crowns on these things?
Ehh..Ive sunk quite a lot of gold into about 9 characters so far. 6 of which are now capped out and 3 that are about half way to cap. Ive spent something close to, probably more, 337,500 gold on mount upgrades. And Id be expecting a substantial refund if this was ever changed. Thats months logging in I wont be getting back. All so someone else can just skip that without paying for it either in time or money? No.
in other words, "i have suffered so instead of wanting it to be better for those who come after me? i want EVERYONE to suffer."
not to mention. its the equivalent of asking for refund for individually bought DLC's after they were bundled into pack of 4 that is significantly cheaper than original costs.
I have capped 8 characters and close to capping 9. if they change it so that it doesn't take so bloody long and the speed, etc is shared, you know what i will do? applaud wildly and maybe even roll another alt.
In what way is this making it better? Is it really better or is it just easier?
Because from my point of view theres nothing inherently wrong with the current system. Its just time and gold consuming. It ensures that if you dont want to spend RL money, youll be logging in once a day for 6 months. So its not just a gold sink, and a money making scheme. Its also a method of promoting player activity.
And honestly, its not like it takes all that long for your horse speed to jump. About the 40 day mark, if youre spending your gold in the speed branch, your speed will bump up enough that you wont feel as if youre going slow anymore. That right there ensures over a month of daily activity.
Like I have said which you haven't even bothered to read. Look at my solution above.
Mount speed should be the same. Stamina and Storage should be purchased or increased daily. You obviously don't understand that increased mount speed will encourage More people to play more often.
Logging in every day for 6 months is not a thing for us working people. You can buy lessons yes, but for speed you should not have to. Stamina and Storage yes you should continue to pay for.
I read your solution. And I am saying that I disagree with it. It does not take 6 months to upgrade speed. It takes 60 days max. If you dont have time for it. Then buy it with real money. Problem solved.
Will it encourage people? Is it really a sticking point when people say they dont want to play the game? Because Ive heard a lot of complaints about the game and this is only a issue brought up by people on this forum. I never hear old players that quit complain about horse training. Never. And considering I have a thread here on these forums right this moment that directs people to a comment made by Matt that states the game is now pulling 2.5 million players in monthly activity. I think youre overselling what you want as being some highly demanded player change. The only people this change would impact are those who have alts. Which is probably not something the masses take part in. They create a character, maybe another. But most of the time a single character is all they have time for or interest in.
What youre telling me is that youre doing this to yourself. You create alts you dont have time to play. And then act as if its ZOS fault that you are terrible at time management and burdening yourself with the right amount time consuming activities.
No no no... I've already maxed out my toons in pretty much everything. Also when I make a toon, it sits at the stable for months until it's ready to ride fast. That is months of time I could have been lvlig up other things and buying crown items associated with that toon. Many other people I talk to in eso agree with me. Some don't... but yes it is a majority rules here.
My solution is a good one. I've spent the time and money already. You just trolling trying to hinder change. There is nothing wrong with faster mount speed. It will encourage people to use their alts and spend more crowns on things for that alt. Virtually and from a marketing standpoint. No money would be lost. Adding more items to the crown store for us to buy too is just a great idea all together if they really concerned about losing out on speed lesson money.
Just because players like us who have been playing a long time don't want things to be any different doesn't mean you'll get what you want or a refund for your 250 gold pieces a day of that mount speed.
LMAO. So because Im in disagreeance with you Im trolling? Well if that doesnt automatically invalidate anything you have to say. But Ill be nice and instead of reporting you for baiting. Ill simply point out how absurd you are.
You say many people agree with you on this topic, and that somehow means theres a majority rule here. Let me explain something to you. This is not a democracy. And you havent spoken to a majority of players. Even if you had an account on every platform and server. You havent spoken to nearly enough people to ever claim that you have a majority backing you.
You say that faster speed will encourage people to play alts and spend more money. I challenge you to back that up with facts....Wait. Considering the "I talk to a lot of people" nonsense I take that back. Dont back it up. We both know this is just as nonsensical as the first statement. Plenty of people are spending money right this moment. No need for Horse Speed to be gifted to alts. Heck, I spend money on alts all the time. Im all about that Fantasy Barbie. Each one of my 14 alts has if not one, multiple Crown Store and Crown Crate costumes. And I dont need upgraded speed for my alts either. When Morrowind dropped I quickly created two new baby characters and slowly jogged across Vvardenfell. And I enjoyed every slow moment of it.
The only thing in this game that requires speed is PvP and that can be circumvented with Horse Crack. And I already stated that it takes you 40 days max to start really feeling the difference in upgrades for Speed. So you are purposefully leaving your alts stagnant for months, way more than necessary just so you can come on here and complain? Just so you can act as if ZOS has wasted your time? No one makes you park your alts and not touch them for months over some silly rule about being max speed. Thats all on you, not ZOS and not the game. There isnt a single thing in PvE that would demand you have max speed from the start. There has been at most 10 million players that have played this game and all of them have had to endure the 60 days to max speed. All of them were still able to access content and enjoy it. A lack of horse speed never prevented that.
Funny that you would end your comment talking about not getting what you want. Which is exactly what this sort of thread boils down to. You and everyone else that wants this to change is just going to have to accept that you arent going to get what you want. In this instance, what ZOS wants and what I am okay with align. I dont actually want a refund. Im okay with taking the time to upgrade my horses one at a time for 6 month periods. Because I play the game regularly and if I cant log in to upgrade for a day or a few. Its not going to kill me. The games not going anywhere and neither is my interest. Especially not over horse upgrades.
But you go right on ahead and have fun with that whole not touching alts til theyre fully upgraded silliness.
You really need take up space on someone else's thread.Edited by Yamakaziing on December 28, 2017 8:42AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭logging in to click on a vendor once a day is NOT playing, its NOT activity its a BOTHER. having to stop what you are doing becasue notification that your character's cooldown for mount leveling is up? is annoying.
why WHY are you totally ok with paying crowns to speed up the process... but not in game gold? why are you so stuck on this ridiculously unfun thing, when there are things in game that are actualy gameplay that encourage you to log in every day without hindering your fun on a small, yet insidious level?
it really stinks of "I suffered, so now you must suffer as well" and that is NOT a good reason - sorry, not sorry.
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✭✭✭I think we should have the option of buying multiple at a time. Like say I only had the good for 30 speed that day, buy it and have to wait 20 hours to do so again. Or buy all at once if I have enough gold.
thats the same thing as buy all at once. thats 15k to max speed. anyone can get that easily
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4000 gold for fifth skill if before cd is up, additional 20 hour cd applied before cost reset
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Yamakaziing✭✭✭LadyAstrum wrote: »Call me weird, but I actually like having to gradually increase my characters mount speed etc. That said, it wouldn't bother me if it was account-wide.
I mean it really makes no difference. I used to enjoy increasing it. Only thing it really does is prevent alts in pvp from moving fast to get to things before they flip and hinder your pve adventuring speed. Unless you spend money on it. Which after all the money I've spent, just doesn't feel worth it to me anymore. I'd crack out 2 zones in 2 hours in quests if my mount speed was faster on new toons. I'd rather save my money for cool mounts and other crown items. I want convenience. Thats what people pay for that's what we should get. Is that really such a bad and lazy thing? You are sitting at the computer for hours straight anyways.. what's the concern ya know? I just don't understand why people are up and arms about the mount speed thing and threating to report me over it. Lol
Like you said it wouldn't bother you.
I don't expect it to change. I've already lvld mine up so it really shouldn't make a difference to me if they change it. But I'd like to see new players level up their speed with one toon and feel good about quickly leveling their other toons up with it. You are not weird.Edited by Yamakaziing on December 28, 2017 9:10AM0 -
Yamakaziing✭✭✭ChuckyPayne wrote: »This 60x3 solution is much bettter then the old one. Some changes would be good but not soo much, for example like with trait research reduce duration with 1 day (Hlalu merchant for 'Vocher' currency) here would be cool something like that +1 lesson /20 hour.
Otherwise If ZOS introduce this I won't use it, I can accept the 180 day delay I don't need to speed up. With a new character the horse riding 180 points sooner will finished than that character will explore all tamriel
Other older characters' exploration more important
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60 points total was back in 1.0, collections introduced the 180 point system but it shares between all mounts on that character. So he was right it is 6 months per character mostly every day if you don't use store bought or crown crate scrolls.
no yama whatever seperated speed from the other 2 so 60 points only. it is not 6months.
It's 60 speed, 60 inventory, and 60 stamina, 180 points total on a 20h cd so close to 6 months
do you comprehend english? what did i just say?
We heard you man... I was just saying that all three takes 6 months. I'd simply like to see mount speed removed from that equation. You can still log in everyday to increase storage and stamina with all your toons and can still purchase lessons from crown store... I changed the title of this thread a little for what it's worth.
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✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »logging in to click on a vendor once a day is NOT playing, its NOT activity its a BOTHER. having to stop what you are doing becasue notification that your character's cooldown for mount leveling is up? is annoying.
why WHY are you totally ok with paying crowns to speed up the process... but not in game gold? why are you so stuck on this ridiculously unfun thing, when there are things in game that are actualy gameplay that encourage you to log in every day without hindering your fun on a small, yet insidious level?
it really stinks of "I suffered, so now you must suffer as well" and that is NOT a good reason - sorry, not sorry.
You know what is also not a good argument? "I cant be bothered to spend less than 30 seconds upgrading my horse before I go out and adventure."
I didn't say I can't be bothered. I said its not fun. its a pointless interruption and a ridiculous time sink that doesn't improve the game in ANY WAY.
but it encourages you to log in every day! you say, no it punishes me for NOT logging in every day. you know what encourages me to log in every day? crafting writs. pledges. daily quests. becasue THEY ARE REWARDING. watching you mount upgrade at excruciatingly slow rate of 2 months per skill line (for the lack of a better word) is NOT rewarding. at best when you are finished its a "thank god this is over" moment. and because unlike daily quests and pledges and crafting writs, it DOES run out eventually when you finish mount leveling. its not even a good encouragement to continue to keep logging in. your argument? MAKES. NO. SENSE.
I understand the idea of paying for each individual character. that is NOT the problem. TIME GATE is the problem. on EVERY character.Edited by Linaleah on December 28, 2017 10:15AMdirty worthless casual.
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Yamakaziing✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »logging in to click on a vendor once a day is NOT playing, its NOT activity its a BOTHER. having to stop what you are doing becasue notification that your character's cooldown for mount leveling is up? is annoying.
why WHY are you totally ok with paying crowns to speed up the process... but not in game gold? why are you so stuck on this ridiculously unfun thing, when there are things in game that are actualy gameplay that encourage you to log in every day without hindering your fun on a small, yet insidious level?
it really stinks of "I suffered, so now you must suffer as well" and that is NOT a good reason - sorry, not sorry.
You know what is also not a good argument? "I cant be bothered to spend less than 30 seconds upgrading my horse before I go out and adventure."
I didn't say I can't be bothered. I said its not fun. its a pointless interruption and a ridiculous time sink that doesn't improve the game in ANY WAY.
but it encourages you to log in every day! you say, no it punishes me for NOT logging in every day. you know what encourages me to log in every day? crafting writs. pledges. daily quests. becasue THEY ARE REWARDING. watching you mount upgrade at excruciatingly slow rate of 2 months per skill line (for the lack of a better word) is NOT rewarding. at best when you are finished its a "thank god this is over" moment. and because unlike daily quests and pledges and crafting writs, it DOES run out eventually when you finish mount leveling. its not even a good encouragement to continue to keep logging in. your argument? MAKES. NO. SENSE.
I understand the idea of paying for each individual character. that is NOT the problem. TIME GATE is the problem. on EVERY character.
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Hearts_Wake✭✭✭Welcome to the forums. Please look for existing topics first instead of creating the 100th horse thread. Thanks.
Ah yes. Allow me to search for another’s thoughts rather than expressing my own.
God forbid there’s another post to click on on the page youre on.
Inevitably you click the post you have read a dozen times before.
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✭✭You guys are failing to realize that zos sells mount training books in the CS. I doubt we will ever see a change.
Exactly, and given that the price per lesson has only gone up we have to conclude people are willing to pay it, account wide is never going to happen, this horse has officially been fully flogged and is now an ex horse0 -
Yamakaziing✭✭✭Lol no... no it isn't. 100% should have faster mount speed for new alts so we can level up faster. We all have jobs and families to provide for. We can't log on every day and commit to such a buggy game. If you pay each month then yes your mount speed should be maxed on all toons.0
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Luciferazazell✭✭✭It should be acount wide its rough enough having to gather up the skill points and leveling up each toon but we also have to worry about horse speed and stamina? We all know very well what Zos intension with this is each speed increase is like 19 hours or so to complete if im not mistaken and its up to 60 for speed. So, it will take about 2 months just on the speed and then you need stamina becuase what's the point of all that speed when you run out of stamina every 15 seconds of riding so thats another 60 days for stamina.... So basicly a total of 4 months to have your horse at full stamina and riding speed (OR) you can go to the crown store and buy the 10 speed or stamina lessons for crowns lol that was there thought process as with most things bring in more money $$$ this is not to mention the 60 "extra horse carrying weight " another 2 months on that one we are up to a 6 months total process for a fully leveled horse ( on just one of your many toons ) lol but dont worry they have that one in the crown store as well all for your inconvinience lol and money of courseEdited by Luciferazazell on April 28, 2018 4:33PM0
