Should your highest mount speed apply to all toons?

Insandros · December 2017

Nerouyn wrote: »

Yes. This is a insanely stupid feature which is a massive turn off to potential new players.

In no other MMO I've played (which is most of them) do you potentially lose half a year of time gated stuff like horse feeding and trait research if you choose to delete a character. You just have to level it and its crafting, which might take at most a week or two.

ESO requires you to make and commit to characters for the long haul. Insane.

Want to change a character for some reason? If you can't bear the AGONY of deleting all that time gated work and starting from scratch, your only option is to go play something else. I'm sure many have.

You would had liked Mount feeding when game launched i presume, you have only 30 or 60 can't remember, item you could feed, between speed, stam and bag spaces, and only that so in 60 days your mount was fully leveled, want to get back to that? No respecting, had to chose, now you can lvl up 3 features all together, think twice before whining

Yamakaziing · December 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

I actually want a slower mount on some toons, so I wouldn't want the speed to apply to all across the board.

uhhhh no.. why did you even post this.. I want all my toons to be able to zip through questing for that's how I enjoy to lvl up my toons. There is always a quest I haven't done and I enjoy the exploration and story. Having slow mount speed hinders my desire to explore it all with new toons.

Yamakaziing · December 2017

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You've just triggered Yama.
Some of us don't have the time to log in every day. Some of us work our butts off to provide for our families. Come home after a long day and want full mount speed to lvl up my toons with. What is your angle? Let me guess you spent all that time yourself... years.... or bought thousands of dollars worth of crown lessons and now you think everyone should do the same? Hmmmm I see

jssriot wrote: »

speedy4 wrote: »

Would be nice if they were maxed in Cyrodiil as keeping up with high level players with maxed out mounts can be quite the challenge.

I wouldn't mind a Cyro-only bonus for slower horses as that would improve game experience as this benefits the whole group. But otherwise, riding skills are conveniences and not necessary for gameplay. I don't see any need to change the current system just because people are lazy and whiny.

Yamakaziing · December 2017

LordSemaj wrote: »

How about you make a poll asking whether ESO should make everything that takes months account wide instead?

CP is already account wide, now let's get horses and research and skyshards and lore books and etc.

Lorebooks, research, and skyshards are fine the way they are set up. That is rewarding... moving like a snail on your mount trying to collect them all for 10th time is not good.

Yamakaziing · December 2017

Runefang wrote: »

They do need an option to grind it faster. Like some sort of daily. Otherwise mount speed isn't really a big deal.

It is a big deal... have you ever been on top of a real horse? Those creatures are fast and powerful. To your comment I'd suggest as your toon rides it increases stats only for that toon.

Yamakaziing · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Definitely. I think they make quite a bit of money on riding lessons though and thus won't change it. It's intended to be very annoying. I just leveled a stamblade for PVP and I'm very tempted to pay for the lessons as otherwise it takes freakin 4 months to max out the relevant stats. And omg are mounts slow at 0%.

Yes they give you an ultimatum. Spend the months doing it or pay now. Like I've said before I encourage things to be purchasable however 1000 crowns should = 20 lessons

klowdy1 · December 2017

It isn't that others don't want you to have this, it benefits everyone. It's that others want you to suffer as they have, as stated in so many of these threads. Changes like this happen all the time in games. Did anyone get a refund when ESO gold came out? People paid for that content, and I got it cheaper than I paid for the base game.

I vote yes, even though I don't need it. Why not make the world better for others? What does keeping it as is do for the people that don't need to level anymore? It's a selfish stand to want others to endure tedium just because you had to.

Edit: I actually like theher0not's idea the most. I'm not against others needing to pay, but the time gating is a bit much. One of the dumbest parts of "playing" this game was making all my characters far before I wanted to play them, and log on every day for half a year just to be up to par. I would choose not to put others through that nonsense for no other reason but I had to do it. Just selfish.

Linaleah · December 2017

Insandros wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Yes. This is a insanely stupid feature which is a massive turn off to potential new players.

In no other MMO I've played (which is most of them) do you potentially lose half a year of time gated stuff like horse feeding and trait research if you choose to delete a character. You just have to level it and its crafting, which might take at most a week or two.

ESO requires you to make and commit to characters for the long haul. Insane.

Want to change a character for some reason? If you can't bear the AGONY of deleting all that time gated work and starting from scratch, your only option is to go play something else. I'm sure many have.

You would had liked Mount feeding when game launched i presume, you have only 30 or 60 can't remember, item you could feed, between speed, stam and bag spaces, and only that so in 60 days your mount was fully leveled, want to get back to that? No respecting, had to chose, now you can lvl up 3 features all together, think twice before whining

it was one of the reasons I didn't subscribe past the first month, actualy. I remember those times. when some mounts were better then others. becasue it was 60 total mount points that you could invest, it was also per mount so people tended to have multiple mounts for different things and back then, gold was harder to make as well, than it is today (no fencing stolen goods, no daily crafting quests). the only reason i even had a mount at launch at all, was becasue I bought imperial edition that came with imperial horse. which was STILL functionally worse then one of the 40k gold mounts that used to come with 20 points in stamina, inventory, or speed.

yes it was awful. but today being not as awful? =/= actualy good. there is STILL room for improvement. time gating is too much. at the very least, let people level all three on the same day. still would take 2 bloody months to max out a horse, but at least its not 6 bloody months

Yamakaziing · December 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Insandros wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Yes. This is a insanely stupid feature which is a massive turn off to potential new players.

In no other MMO I've played (which is most of them) do you potentially lose half a year of time gated stuff like horse feeding and trait research if you choose to delete a character. You just have to level it and its crafting, which might take at most a week or two.

ESO requires you to make and commit to characters for the long haul. Insane.

Want to change a character for some reason? If you can't bear the AGONY of deleting all that time gated work and starting from scratch, your only option is to go play something else. I'm sure many have.

You would had liked Mount feeding when game launched i presume, you have only 30 or 60 can't remember, item you could feed, between speed, stam and bag spaces, and only that so in 60 days your mount was fully leveled, want to get back to that? No respecting, had to chose, now you can lvl up 3 features all together, think twice before whining

it was one of the reasons I didn't subscribe past the first month, actualy. I remember those times. when some mounts were better then others. becasue it was 60 total mount points that you could invest, it was also per mount so people tended to have multiple mounts for different things and back then, gold was harder to make as well, than it is today (no fencing stolen goods, no daily crafting quests). the only reason i even had a mount at launch at all, was becasue I bought imperial edition that came with imperial horse. which was STILL functionally worse then one of the 40k gold mounts that used to come with 20 points in stamina, inventory, or speed.

yes it was awful. but today being not as awful? =/= actualy good. there is STILL room for improvement. time gating is too much. at the very least, let people level all three on the same day. still would take 2 bloody months to max out a horse, but at least its not 6 bloody months

Yes I remember

Jarryzzt · December 2017

They'd be utterly foolish to do it from a business perspective. For two reasons.

One - this does nothing to help drive casuals or newcomers. Who are unlikely to have many characters (or more than one even) unless they convert into "veterans" or "hardcore", and if or when they do...

Two - "veterans" or "hardcore" players have already invested a substantial amount of time and effort into the game, and so are the perfect people - aside from "big spender" newcomers - to hit up with Crown Store riding lessons.

By setting the mount stats to be global rather than character based they'd be losing some stream of revenues...for what, exactly? This isn't about player convenience, F2P in principle is about giving the players just enough free content to get them hooked then monetizing everything else - again, the only limit being not "overdoing" it to the point that sub retention rates are impacted.

[I'm not even mentioning the budget manhours necessary to make the change on the technical side of things, though this might not be a terribly high number comparatively speaking. Still - managers hate dedicating manhours to anything not likely to generate revenues and keep the higher-ups happy...]

Azurya · December 2017

such a poll is surely not needed.
Playing 12 chars currently, I leveled all day after day and that isn´t that hard anyway

But I can understand that in this shortliving days, it is needed for the speedgeneration that all goes fast,
that ZOS perhaps hase an option that you can pay lets say 45 Dollar/Euro you can buy a token that will
give you instant access to all mounted stats.

that is fair enough.

SydneyGrey · December 2017

I'd be happy if they just doubled the rate at which you can train. Six months to fully train is ridiculous. Three would be perfect.

nnargun · December 2017

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Should your highest mount speed, stamina, and storage apply to all toons?

Should your highest fighters/mages/undaunted/thieves/DB guild rank apply to all toons?
Should your highest skill advancement apply to all toons?
Should your highest crafting research apply to all toons?
Should your highest skyshard collection apply to all toons?
Should your highest alliance rank apply to all toons?
Should your highest quest completion log apply to all toons?
Should your highest level apply to all toons?
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No.
Oh, divines, NO!
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Stop asking for even more account wide stuff!
We already got more then any other MMORPG I ever played with champion system, guild membership and bank!

And especially stop asking for something when it is that big a can of worms, with them selling crown riding lessons...

This is so flawed. All the things you list, except trait research, require you to actually play content and you also have substantial influence on the time for completion. You can get mage guild 10 in a day for instance. And trait research is really not needed on several toons, not even for convenience. Riding lessons on the other hand are just there to make money. This is okay to some degree but calling it content is quite ridiculous. Half a year for completion and no way to speed it up except with crowns.
I agree that this thread is pointless though. They will never change this for good obvious reasons.

People coming up with "arguments" are just being devil's advocate here or, as someone mentioned above, salty because they already leveled riding lessons on most of their toons. From a player perspective there is no good argument pro the current system. At least I haven't read one in all the posts.

nnargun · December 2017

What if they generally made riding lessons account wide but with the option to reset it on a new char so everyone would be happy? I wanna see the person who chooses to reset xD

duendology · December 2017

It did not bother me that much when I had 3 characters.. but now having 7.. I think it's mundane and not sure what the logic behind it is.

So I think that once you level up to max all your mount stats on one character, they should apply to all characters BUT be account bound. And judging by my own experience it would only increase time spend in game rather than decrease it.

QUEZ420 · December 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

I actually want a slower mount on some toons, so I wouldn't want the speed to apply to all across the board.

Huh.... would u be so kind to explain why lol?

nnargun · December 2017

duendology wrote: »

It did not bother me that much when I had 3 characters.. but now having 7.. I think it's mundane and not sure what the logic behind it is.

So I think that once you level up to max all your mount stats on one character, they should apply to all characters BUT be account bound. And judging by my own experience it would only increase time spend in game rather than decrease it.

What do you mean account bound? Doesn't make too much sense in this context.

Derra · December 2017

Allow subscribers to feed their horse 5x per 20 hours period instead of 1x.

@ZOS_GinaBruno you can make ca$h of that.

Linaleah · December 2017

here's the thing though as far as monetanization goes.

if housing taught us anything is that there will always be people who would rather spend crowns then make gold, even when gold cost is negligible. and then there are people who will NEVER spend crowns, no matter how unappealing you try to make the alternative (extremely low drop rates of vvardenfell and clockwork patterns for example) so allowing people to level their horse faster? given above precedent should have negligible affect on purchases of mount training certificates. it MIGHT however increase character slot purchases.

heck, I would pay double the gold to speed up the training. vouchers! add it to voucher vendor and make the item tradable, like the trait research speed up items are.

becasue honestly right now, the only reason some of you are against it is petty as f..." I have suffered, so now you get to suffer"

Tavore1138 · December 2017

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

So, you know, don’t?

I have 10 toons, 5 are at CP, maybe 6 have top speed, maybe 3 have to everything for riding. I feel no obligation to go and do dailies on all of them every day or max/min my trait research realisation curves. I play a game as and when I choose with each toon different doing its own thing... this isn’t a job or some game where you can ‘win’, the prize is the pleasure of playing and there is very little in this game that is locked behind a horse upgrade.

the pleasure of playing is not so pleasurable when my character is slow as molaces, gets knocked down if someone looks at them wrong and has 60 slots less worth of bagspace. like Code above - most of my characters set unplayed for MONTHS while I leveled their mounts. why? becasue when i tried playing them, i was not. having. fun. yes, it makes that much of a difference to me, especially after seeing how much nicer it is with fully upgraded mount.

I'm literally playing LESS game as long as my mount is not updated. quality over quantity, dude. there is nothing vurtuous about holding off fully upgrading mount for 6 months. there is a hell of a lot of a difference between being not having to wait for a fully upgraded mount for 6 month (or shelling out RL cash to speed up the process) and having say.. full cadwell's gold unlocked for account after doing it on one characters. logging in once a day to pay 250 gold to a vendor is NOT content. quests are content. dungeons are content. pvp, shard collecting, etc is counting. mount is just... a bother.

its nice and all that its not important to YOU. I am NOT you.

and to reiterate. I'm fine with paying gold. i'm just really really tired of waiting to pay that gold. which means fewer alts and as a consequence? less playing the game.

I am not totally unsympathetic - maybe the solution to your specific hassle is some sort of Cyrodiil battle spirit for mounts?

Personally I just tend to avoid the direct routes from keep to keep while I'm leveling riding skills, adds a certain extra sense of danger knowing that I can't take even a single hit from a ganker so I need to be extra wary... and yes I swear when I get ganked.

Not averse to ways of speeding it up some either - maybe doing it so many straight days starts to speed up the frequency of training to the point where you get to train 2, 3 or even 4 times a day.... or maybe add a mount skill line (like for crafting) where you can get various perks including being able to train each of the 3 areas once per day plus other fun extras like mounts being able to swim so you don't have to dismount at every small puddle or a brief extra fast speed boost to avoid those tricky situations

I am all for creative solutions that make the game more satisfying and diverse - I am generally against the 'I did it one time now gimme it again!' mentality that gradually strips out actually playing.

Slick_007 · December 2017

Nerouyn wrote: »

Yes. This is a insanely stupid feature which is a massive turn off to potential new players.

you mean to those new players who dont have alts and dont give a rats butt? try again.

edit: oh, you cant see that i voted NFW!

Gargath · December 2017

No, horse training is the best daily incentive to log in and play.
Currently I have 8 fully trained characters and 4 which still needs some training, once I logged in I find plenty of other incentives to stay and play

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Stonyfoot · December 2017

LordSemaj wrote: »

How about you make a poll asking whether ESO should make everything that takes months account wide instead?

CP is already account wide, now let's get horses and research and skyshards and lore books and etc.

To be honest, PC players get all the skyshards and lorebooks for free. Would be nice to get something for the console folk as well.

SugaComa · December 2017

greylox wrote: »

No! They're different characters..for the love of RP!

Hehe, couldn't care less personally but if I had to I'd vote no

Then for the love of RP make it a skill line and have it a skill bar that pops up when you're mounted for mount based skills like rapids

nnargun · December 2017

Stonyfoot wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

How about you make a poll asking whether ESO should make everything that takes months account wide instead?

CP is already account wide, now let's get horses and research and skyshards and lore books and etc.

To be honest, PC players get all the skyshards and lorebooks for free. Would be nice to get something for the console folk as well.

What do you mean for free? We just don't have to look up where they are which is nice but really not that big of a deal. I know that because I did it on both PC and console.

Slick_007 · December 2017

how about eso+ members auto max all 3 riding skills. lose sub, lose the skills. and you cant raise them obviously while a member since they are already maxxed

Linaleah · December 2017

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

No - play the game, enjoy playing the game, there is no magic prize at the end except having no more game left to play.

because doing the character shuffle once a day to level their mount is playing the game, apparently? i would rather, you know.. actualy play the game then track the time, oh right time to relog and click on a vendor, to give them 250 gold.

So, you know, don’t?

I have 10 toons, 5 are at CP, maybe 6 have top speed, maybe 3 have to everything for riding. I feel no obligation to go and do dailies on all of them every day or max/min my trait research realisation curves. I play a game as and when I choose with each toon different doing its own thing... this isn’t a job or some game where you can ‘win’, the prize is the pleasure of playing and there is very little in this game that is locked behind a horse upgrade.

the pleasure of playing is not so pleasurable when my character is slow as molaces, gets knocked down if someone looks at them wrong and has 60 slots less worth of bagspace. like Code above - most of my characters set unplayed for MONTHS while I leveled their mounts. why? becasue when i tried playing them, i was not. having. fun. yes, it makes that much of a difference to me, especially after seeing how much nicer it is with fully upgraded mount.

I'm literally playing LESS game as long as my mount is not updated. quality over quantity, dude. there is nothing vurtuous about holding off fully upgrading mount for 6 months. there is a hell of a lot of a difference between being not having to wait for a fully upgraded mount for 6 month (or shelling out RL cash to speed up the process) and having say.. full cadwell's gold unlocked for account after doing it on one characters. logging in once a day to pay 250 gold to a vendor is NOT content. quests are content. dungeons are content. pvp, shard collecting, etc is counting. mount is just... a bother.

its nice and all that its not important to YOU. I am NOT you.

and to reiterate. I'm fine with paying gold. i'm just really really tired of waiting to pay that gold. which means fewer alts and as a consequence? less playing the game.

I am not totally unsympathetic - maybe the solution to your specific hassle is some sort of Cyrodiil battle spirit for mounts?

Personally I just tend to avoid the direct routes from keep to keep while I'm leveling riding skills, adds a certain extra sense of danger knowing that I can't take even a single hit from a ganker so I need to be extra wary... and yes I swear when I get ganked.

Not averse to ways of speeding it up some either - maybe doing it so many straight days starts to speed up the frequency of training to the point where you get to train 2, 3 or even 4 times a day.... or maybe add a mount skill line (like for crafting) where you can get various perks including being able to train each of the 3 areas once per day plus other fun extras like mounts being able to swim so you don't have to dismount at every small puddle or a brief extra fast speed boost to avoid those tricky situations

I am all for creative solutions that make the game more satisfying and diverse - I am generally against the 'I did it one time now gimme it again!' mentality that gradually strips out actually playing.

its not just Cyrodil (although part of the problem in Cyrodil is that I never go there alone and this means this character is unusable until she catches up in speed to the people I play with, that or now they have to slow down and wait for me and that just breaks the flow for everyone and that is not fun either). after being able to go fast, going slow anywhere is annoying. at this point i have 8 characters fully leveled and one close to being there. I tried playing her before her mount was fully leveled. its just... not fun. its not fun not only because she is slower, but also because every day i have to stop whatever I'm doing and get her to the nearest stables to buy that one more upgrade point. but you can skip it, you say? no. i cannot. becasue that means she will be slow even longer. this is not playing. its a hassle and an annoyance. its an artificial time gate that is pointless and NOT fun.

it needs to be sped up. no, buying mount speed upgrades in crown store is NOT a solution, especially since, technically that goes against your insistence on "you must play and not just be given it all at once"

and yes its THE sole reason why I'm not buying another character slot or creating another alt.

nnargun · December 2017

Gargath wrote: »

No, horse training is the best daily incentive to log in and play.
Currently I have 8 fully trained characters and 4 which still needs some training, once I logged in I find plenty of other incentives to stay and play .

Why don't you get into writs and pledges then? Much more rewarding than clicking + and paying 250 for 0.56 % progression on the mount.

Linaleah · December 2017

nnargun wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

No, horse training is the best daily incentive to log in and play.
Currently I have 8 fully trained characters and 4 which still needs some training, once I logged in I find plenty of other incentives to stay and play .

Why don't you get into writs and pledges then? Much more rewarding than clicking +.

THIS. doing writs and pledges and daily quests is rewarding. and can be done at any point in the day without extending your whole schedule, since the CD is always 20 hours, no matter what.

there are already plenty of incentives to log in every day, that are actual playing of the game.

Agobi · December 2017

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Look! Another account-shared mount poll!

What? You mean this isn't the first one??