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Theory Craft Help: Character Build to level in Cyrodiil from level 10 on?
technohic
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There has been something I wanted to really do since; well launch of ESO really. That is level a character completely within Cyrodiil from level 10 on. I just didn't because it was inefficient but now, I have 3 50s that I am happy with there and rather than break down builds and rebuild some more, I think I would like to finally try. I realize I will get beat on, but thats going to be part of the grind and challenge.
I'm looking for advice and this can also be a fun thing to theory craft for some I suppose. I'm looking for either a Warden preferably, or a DK if there's good reason as these are the 2 classes I don't have. Magicka or stamina; doesn't matter for what I am trying to do, just whatever would make the most sense.
What weapon/skills would go for first for the single bar level 10-15?
What weapon/skills would you go for once you have the 2 bars?
What sets? I am going to presume craft-able/buy-able and Cyrodiil available only as I will not have another character to do dungeons with at this level.
Non-vet campaign may be easier as far as level discrepancy; or even non CP vet; but part of me wants to be right in the full CP campaigns so I can use mine at least. Not sure if being closer level would be less handicap than closer CP.
What should I do for XP when not straight up heading for PvP?
Thoughts would be appreciated; especially from experienced Wardens or DKs. This is going to be a tough L2P adventure I think.
EDIT: Also; should I do the first 10 levels by doing quests for skill points, or just head straight for skyshards?
Edited by technohic on December 7, 2017 8:57PM I'm looking for advice and this can also be a fun thing to theory craft for some I suppose. I'm looking for either a Warden preferably, or a DK if there's good reason as these are the 2 classes I don't have. Magicka or stamina; doesn't matter for what I am trying to do, just whatever would make the most sense.
What weapon/skills would go for first for the single bar level 10-15?
What weapon/skills would you go for once you have the 2 bars?
What sets? I am going to presume craft-able/buy-able and Cyrodiil available only as I will not have another character to do dungeons with at this level.
Non-vet campaign may be easier as far as level discrepancy; or even non CP vet; but part of me wants to be right in the full CP campaigns so I can use mine at least. Not sure if being closer level would be less handicap than closer CP.
What should I do for XP when not straight up heading for PvP?
Thoughts would be appreciated; especially from experienced Wardens or DKs. This is going to be a tough L2P adventure I think.
EDIT: Also; should I do the first 10 levels by doing quests for skill points, or just head straight for skyshards?
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✭✭Back when you weren't automatically removed from Cyrodiil for logging off, this would have been more enjoyable, not seeing anything but Cyrodiil for the duration of that character's leveling journey.
I'd probably go for the shards farthest from your gate first so you don't have to worry about running over there again with your slow mount, and also so you can invest in passives more quickly rather than relying strictly on war rank promotions and level points near the start.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Gah! The damned mount! That will probably be more annoying than getting killed by players. Actually; getting killed itself is not an issue. it will be the long ride back to where I was trying to get.0 -
lynog85✭✭✭There literally is zero theorycrafting needed. Level it up and theorycraft it when youre 500
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Valykc✭✭✭✭✭You wanna play a game?!?
... every time you get a piece of armor or weapon from rewards of the worthy, you have to swap it in place of your previous piece. Let RNGesus control your build hahahaha! Edited by Valykc on December 7, 2017 10:33PM1 -
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✭✭I have been leveling up almost all my characters in Cyrodiil since early access.
First just decide if it is more important to level fast or have better stats (training vs other traits). Leveling up in PVP is a hell of a lot faster already than it used to be, so I would not bother with training trait. (At launch it took about 6 months to level up to veteran ranks. Now it only takes about a week or two in PVP.)
Then make some crafted sets you can use every 6-10 levels for example, level 10, 16, 26, 36, 46. There are a lot of decent options, but here is a pretty simple and easy to obtain lowbie build that works well in PVP for almost any magicka or stamina character, any race (although Argonian is best):
5 x Clever Alchemist (back bar either dual wield or s&b)
5 x Hunding / Julianos
3 x Agility/ Willpower with three potion cooldown enchants
You will have to drink a lot of potions, every 30 seconds while in combat, but this is pretty reasonable sustain and damage, and very cheap to make the gear. You will have decent burst, able to kill a lot of max CP players in Vivec once you get some practice playing the class, esp. if weapons are at least purple. If you can't find willpower/agility jewelry for your level, just use any arcane or robust jewelry with 3 potion cooldown enchants.
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TheMystid✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »I have been leveling up almost all my characters in Cyrodiil since early access.
First just decide if it is more important to level fast or have better stats (training vs other traits). Leveling up in PVP is a hell of a lot faster already than it used to be, so I would not bother with training trait. (At launch it took about 6 months to level up to veteran ranks. Now it only takes about a week or two in PVP.)
Then make some crafted sets you can use every 6-10 levels for example, level 10, 16, 26, 36, 46. There are a lot of decent options, but here is a pretty simple and easy to obtain lowbie build that works well in PVP for almost any magicka or stamina character, any race (although Argonian is best):
5 x Clever Alchemist (back bar either dual wield or s&b)
5 x Hunding / Julianos
3 x Agility/ Willpower with three potion cooldown enchants
You will have to drink a lot of potions, every 30 seconds while in combat, but this is pretty reasonable sustain and damage, and very cheap to make the gear. You will have decent burst, able to kill a lot of max CP players in Vivec once you get some practice playing the class, esp. if weapons are at least purple. If you can't find willpower/agility jewelry for your level, just use any arcane or robust jewelry with 3 potion cooldown enchants.
Yes, with this build (and endurance jewel for more sustain) I've been a kill machine on stamDk in below 50 campaign
On a magikadk i had godly results running seducer/sun/willpower. Grinding sun pieces took lot of time...
A thing that most ppl dont get is that after one tamriel you can reach huge power by having 2 set of your level and purple weapons. This means that when you have a good build you’ll want to level AS SLOW AS YOU CAN. Doing this before lev. 30 isnt very rewarding tho. Better from lev. 35 (when you have all the passives/ability you need, which you have to get as soon as possible grinding xp with keys abiities slotted)...
P.s. below lev. 50 campaign is not only a potato fest campaign. There are very good players too, less lag and is funny to play during primetime.Edited by TheMystid on December 8, 2017 1:16AMPC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Awesome. Thanks guys. Think that helps a lot. Think I might do both Warden and DK but going to start with a magdk. Have some armor sitting I want to use.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Stayed up way too late just chasing down sky shards, trying to avoid combat in PvE unless necessary. Thinking I may wait until level 15 so I can get a backbar before getting some sets and going in. Maybe after collecting enough skyshards on the way to that point, I will be able to build out both bars.0 -
TheMystid✭✭✭Lol, I've been thru that! boring but very rewarding
As a magDk I think first skill line you want to level is Earthen Heart, because of Fossilize, Battle roar and Helping Hands. If you want to go Vampire, get a bite asap, so you'll have Dev Swarm and passives sooner!
Also you can check Guild stores (with AwsomeGuildStore addon is easy) for under lev. 50 items. I don't know the build you have in mind, but if you find something there its lot of time and xp-gain saved!
another thing you can consider is grabbing as many lore as you can... there are people with shooting star at lev. 20... i think is nuts but if you have the time the power spike is huge (you can literally insta kill 5-6 ppl in under lev 50 campaign with talons/Shooting star/Deep Breath combo).....
HF!!Edited by TheMystid on December 8, 2017 12:11PMPC EU
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✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »I have been leveling up almost all my characters in Cyrodiil since early access.
First just decide if it is more important to level fast or have better stats (training vs other traits). Leveling up in PVP is a hell of a lot faster already than it used to be, so I would not bother with training trait. (At launch it took about 6 months to level up to veteran ranks. Now it only takes about a week or two in PVP.)
Then make some crafted sets you can use every 6-10 levels for example, level 10, 16, 26, 36, 46. There are a lot of decent options, but here is a pretty simple and easy to obtain lowbie build that works well in PVP for almost any magicka or stamina character, any race (although Argonian is best):
5 x Clever Alchemist (back bar either dual wield or s&b)
5 x Hunding / Julianos
3 x Agility/ Willpower with three potion cooldown enchants
You will have to drink a lot of potions, every 30 seconds while in combat, but this is pretty reasonable sustain and damage, and very cheap to make the gear. You will have decent burst, able to kill a lot of max CP players in Vivec once you get some practice playing the class, esp. if weapons are at least purple. If you can't find willpower/agility jewelry for your level, just use any arcane or robust jewelry with 3 potion cooldown enchants.
Yes, with this build (and endurance jewel for more sustain) I've been a kill machine on stamDk in below 50 campaign
On a magikadk i had godly results running seducer/sun/willpower. Grinding sun pieces took lot of time...
A thing that most ppl dont get is that after one tamriel you can reach huge power by having 2 set of your level and purple weapons. This means that when you have a good build you’ll want to level AS SLOW AS YOU CAN. Doing this before lev. 30 isnt very rewarding tho. Better from lev. 35 (when you have all the passives/ability you need, which you have to get as soon as possible grinding xp with keys abiities slotted)...
P.s. below lev. 50 campaign is not only a potato fest campaign. There are very good players too, less lag and is funny to play during primetime.
True. I think mDK ist best to lvl from lvl 10/15, because you dont need many skills to have a reasonable build.PC/EU, StamSorc Main0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lol, I've been thru that! boring but very rewarding
As a magDk I think first skill line you want to level is Earthen Heart, because of Fossilize, Battle roar and Helping Hands. If you want to go Vampire, get a bite asap, so you'll have Dev Swarm and passives sooner!
Also you can check Guild stores (with AwsomeGuildStore addon is easy) for under lev. 50 items. I don't know the build you have in mind, but if you find something there its lot of time and xp-gain saved!
another thing you can consider is grabbing as many lore as you can... there are people with shooting star at lev. 20... i think is nuts but if you have the time the power spike is huge (you can literally insta kill 5-6 ppl in under lev 50 campaign with talons/Shooting star/Deep Breath combo).....
HF!!
Right now I am looking at sword and board both bars and running heavy, although I might run dual wield on the back bar and run quick cloak and forgo running vamp. Thats what I did on my Templar and it feels tankier without vamp. Going to craft up some clever alchemist for backbar and shacklebreaker I think for both bars with willpower jewelry. Figure with this set; I will keep them for a stam character later just swapping the jewelry. Does this sound like it will work?
I am also grabbing the lore books while hitting the skyshards, but I don't know that I want to do the sub-50 campaign if I am going to come in with a bit of an unfair advantage from that. I meant to do this as a way to level and learn a new class with the risk and fun of PvP and maybe make myself a better player in the long run. It is tempting though; as I could easily gold out those 2 sets and use for any number of characters I level in the future.0 -
TheMystid✭✭✭Yeah it is a good idea to make a build viable both for stamina and magicka class... golding them out could be overkill (except for weapons), but if you have the maths go for it!
Personally I like to be vamp when below lev. 50 and keep it at stage 2 because 10% stamina and magicka recovery is so good... and so is Mist too...
As for the sub-50 campaign, as I said there is plenty of players so committed to it, that they have Dawnbreaker of Smiting and/or Meteor unlocked at lev. 20-25... So I don't think you have to worry about unfair advantages...Edited by TheMystid on December 8, 2017 5:05PMPC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭I leveled a character exclusively in Cyrodiil from level 10 to VR14/16 (Anyone remember VR?)
The character is a Stamblade and most of the leveling was done during a time when Stamblades were completely broken and deemed "useless" for PvP.
Main hand alternated between 2H and DW, backhand was Bow. She's a Bosmer and was initially running naked (back when armor didn't mean a thing in PvP) then switched to medium armor and finally to a mix of medium/heavy.
I still play that character although she has since ventured into PvE land ...
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✭✭Yeah it is a good idea to make a build viable both for stamina and magicka class... golding them out could be overkill (except for weapons), but if you have the maths go for it!
Personally I like to be vamp when below lev. 50 and keep it at stage 2 because 10% stamina and magicka recovery is so good... and so is Mist too...
As for the sub-50 campaign, as I said there is plenty of players so committed to it, that they have Dawnbreaker of Smiting and/or Meteor unlocked at lev. 20-25... So I don't think you have to worry about unfair advantages...
Do tell how you can unlock dawnbreaker at 25. I always grind undead when I’m leveling and I usually hit CP level at around fighters guild lvl 9.2013
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Can you deal with super boring grind? There are 0 xp zombies in Deshaan Quarantine Serk Catacombs. You need to kill about 4000 undead for fighters guild 10. Technically you could unlock dawnbreaker before you even get your second weapon slot.
Do tell how you can unlock dawnbreaker at 25. I always grind undead when I’m leveling and I usually hit CP level at around fighters guild lvl 9.1 -
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Can you deal with super boring grind? There are 0 xp zombies in Deshaan Quarantine Serk Catacombs. You need to kill about 4000 undead for fighters guild 10. Technically you could unlock dawnbreaker before you even get your second weapon slot.
Do tell how you can unlock dawnbreaker at 25. I always grind undead when I’m leveling and I usually hit CP level at around fighters guild lvl 9.
That sounds harrowing2013
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Can you deal with super boring grind? There are 0 xp zombies in Deshaan Quarantine Serk Catacombs. You need to kill about 4000 undead for fighters guild 10. Technically you could unlock dawnbreaker before you even get your second weapon slot.
Do tell how you can unlock dawnbreaker at 25. I always grind undead when I’m leveling and I usually hit CP level at around fighters guild lvl 9.
That sounds harrowing
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✭There literally is zero theorycrafting needed. Level it up and theorycraft it when youre 50
On the contrary, since you can not use every arbitrary combination of skills or drastically change course of progression, because you would level out before getting all desired skills, planning ahead pays off.Gah! The damned mount! That will probably be more annoying than getting killed by players. Actually; getting killed itself is not an issue. it will be the long ride back to where I was trying to get.
Normally this is mitigated by starting a new char before the old levels out of the noob campaign. Alternatively, you might want to play multiple characters (of preferably same class) in 4-level cycles, so if lifespan of one chracter is e.g. 60 days, by cycling three characters, each will last 180 days, 120 of which will it enjoy maxed out riding speed. They will share gear, you will only upgrade after all characters outlevel it, you will have more APs to spend on vendors at certain level, more rewards, if you find them usable (and are able to change traits) etc.
As for class, NB is the king, because cloak. MagDK is very bad. I certainly do not mind baiting in front of ballista, but that is about it.Edited by JamilaRaj on December 23, 2017 1:40AM1 -
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Yyyyyes.
Can you deal with super boring grind? There are 0 xp zombies in Deshaan Quarantine Serk Catacombs. You need to kill about 4000 undead for fighters guild 10. Technically you could unlock dawnbreaker before you even get your second weapon slot.
Do tell how you can unlock dawnbreaker at 25. I always grind undead when I’m leveling and I usually hit CP level at around fighters guild lvl 9.
That sounds harrowing
There is an AFK way of doing it, for example with Thunderbug's Carapace and enough health regen but still.0
