Gamespace and MassivelyOP MMO of the Year 2017

Eyesinthedrk · December 2017

No the 10 million mark is not active players. But who cares? A best “whatever” award is bound to bring in more new players and that’s what really matter.

Too often we come to the forums to talk about problems and issues, myself included. But we hardly ever talk about the good or give props where ya due. Despite all its flaws we have been coming back to this game for years. That’s not a coincidence or a lack of option. So congrats ZOS

And props to all of you. The community is as much a part of making this a great game as the Devs are.

Belegnole · December 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

what is gamespace again?

Never heard of the place until now.

But, ESO is my game of the year and I don't care what any website says.

SirAxen · December 2017

Belegnole wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

what is gamespace again?

Never heard of the place until now.

But, ESO is my game of the year and I don't care what any website says.

Heh. Pretty much the same. ESO has kept my attention longer than any other game. Though, a lot of that has to do with the friends I've made playing ESO as well.

MCBIZZLE300 · December 2017

They need to fix the game in order for this to be MMO of the year. on console its horrific right now with the lag and disconnects. Barely playable.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Implying, but I would be very *** suprised to hear that is the case.

It's much more likely they were given the statistic of 10 million accounts created, and ran with it, and ZOS never ment to correct them.

It also does not take into account how many are bots.

Right. The number probably includes banned and duplicates, as well as active bots (player and commercial). A better metric is how many of the accounts could be made active, since this represents the current potential for the game. It is a number that they know, but will never share.

They'll never shaee because it's likely lower and will make people look bad.

Welcome to ZOS, people. Even some of it's most stalwart defenders are being made to hate it due to the continuance of they're anti consumer pattern of behavior.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

No the 10 million mark is not active players. But who cares? A best “whatever” award is bound to bring in more new players and that’s what really matter.

Too often we come to the forums to talk about problems and issues, myself included. But we hardly ever talk about the good or give props where ya due. Despite all its flaws we have been coming back to this game for years. That’s not a coincidence or a lack of option. So congrats ZOS

And props to all of you. The community is as much a part of making this a great game as the Devs are.

It absolutely is lack of option. For me at least.

The reticle combat has very little competition, and quite frankly not alot of MMO's have controller support.

boggo · December 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Eyesinthedrk wrote: »

No the 10 million mark is not active players. But who cares? A best “whatever” award is bound to bring in more new players and that’s what really matter.

Too often we come to the forums to talk about problems and issues, myself included. But we hardly ever talk about the good or give props where ya due. Despite all its flaws we have been coming back to this game for years. That’s not a coincidence or a lack of option. So congrats ZOS

And props to all of you. The community is as much a part of making this a great game as the Devs are.

It absolutely is lack of option. For me at least.

The reticle combat has very little competition, and quite frankly not alot of MMO's have controller support.

Isn‘t it always a lack of option, when you‘re sticking to something?

Kay1 · December 2017

Lmao in what? PvP?

ESO have the best PvP system ever created in an MMO but they don't deserve it since the dev team is worse than Activision in releasing meaningful content and the PvE in this game, well, sometimes I wonder how the raiding guilds are still excited about this game when the existing raids are the equivalent difficulty of a dungeon in Guild Wars 2 or WoW and where the rewards are pointless.

ESO is in the top 10 but is definitely not in the top 5, after One Tamriel Zenimax released horrible updates without content and its been a year already.

When Tera and BDO will come to consoles I think ESO population on console will decrease so much and atm PS4 have the same amount of people than on PC.

ADarklore · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

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Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

10,000,000 players? Are they having a laugh?

The article was rather free with that statistic, implying that there are 10 million people actively playing. All ZOS has ever said is that 10 million accounts were created, which does mean 10 million players. We have no idea what the active player count is, but in a B2P game, most of them could be active, or at least able to be made active.

I was in the game yesterday and there were thousands (and I do mean thousands) playing. It is not like no one plays.

Implying, but I would be very *** suprised to hear that is the case.

It's much more likely they were given the statistic of 10 million accounts created, and ran with it, and ZOS never ment to correct them.

It also does not take into account how many are bots.

Right. The number probably includes banned and duplicates, as well as active bots (player and commercial). A better metric is how many of the accounts could be made active, since this represents the current potential for the game. It is a number that they know, but will never share.

You do realize that BOTS are 'active' accounts, don't you? So how would ZOS be able to discount them if they are unaware that they are bots? Also, what determines 'active'? Because it is well known that MMO players come and go throughout the year... so it's all too common for a player to take six months or more off but return when a new DLC comes out. How would you account for them?

Brittany_Joy · December 2017

Conduit0 wrote: »

I'd honestly be more surprised if ESO didn't win, its not exactly like there is a lot of great competition out there right now. Most of the MMOs out right now that aren't just plain terrible are either really old, or really niche.

Winning by default is the best way to win any competition.

Jarryzzt · December 2017

The "10 million players" badly damages the article. For two reasons.

First, the last time Activision actually disclosed its WoW subs (Q3 2015), the number was in the 5.5 million range - down from a peak of 12 million in 2009. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/276601/number-of-world-of-warcraft-subscribers-by-quarter/] At the time, ATVI was telling investors that they think this is less WoW-specific and more due to subs, especially out in Asia, switching to other types of MMO games (e.g. DOTA or what have you) - which would affect all "classic" MMOs, not just WoW.

It is highly doubtful that the trend has since reversed, and it is also highly doubtful that ESO has surpassed WoW in this respect. A more recent estimate I've seen...somewhere (cannot find it, unfortunately) had ESO in the 250k subs range, which, even if you quibble over the definition of "sub" and tack on unused accounts, should barely get one into the 1-2 million area. Nowhere near 10 million.

These are not difficult-to-discover numbers. That the review just randomly throws out 10 million immediately tells me - aha, these idiots are making up X - what other things in the article might be made up? Hence, the first credibility issue.

Second - where did they get the number? There are no public disclosures (Zenimax is private, Providence isn't going to say anything until and unless they do an IPO). Did they call Zenimax and get the number from their marketing department (which would really damage the article's credibility)? Did they visit some website that scrapes account data for various MMOs (and if so, which)? Did they...throw darts at a board? Journalism 101, cite your sources. If you do not, you're either making things up, or you're covering up, and either way - again - why should I believe anything you write if I catch you doing this?

So on the one hand, congratulations to ESO and all that. On the other hand, that one line by itself means I'm not going to pay any attention to the rest of the piece and, in fact, discount the article as a whole as being just about as authoritative as "Teen Choice Awards" or some such. [Even as I personally might agree with some of the choices, e.g. TWWH2.]

Ragnarock41 · December 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Lmao in what? PvP?

ESO have the best PvP system ever created in an MMO but they don't deserve it since the dev team is worse than Activision in releasing meaningful content and the PvE in this game, well, sometimes I wonder how the raiding guilds are still excited about this game when the existing raids are the equivalent difficulty of a dungeon in Guild Wars 2 or WoW and where the rewards are pointless.

ESO is in the top 10 but is definitely not in the top 5, after One Tamriel Zenimax released horrible updates without content and its been a year already.

When Tera and BDO will come to consoles I think ESO population on console will decrease so much and atm PS4 have the same amount of people than on PC.

best PvP system?

lol...

*EOTS trains
*god mode stealth that makes you immune to anything.
*permablock
*stealth spam
*dodge roll spam
*streak spam
*tons of bugged abilities
*ridicilous class imbalance(no mmo is ever balanced but, one class completely overperforming other is not fine)
*PvE based balance focus and no separate balance.
*removing of counterplay entirely from abilities.

Whats funny about this is that zos makes balance based on PvE, not PvP.
They couldn't ever nerf the ridicilous EOTS which should not exist,because ''hurr durr PvE uses it''

What this game needs is competition on consoles, once that happens, things will change fast.

Otherwise enjoy your 25 fps- 250 ping with infinite loading screens at prime time.

Rouven · December 2017

Jarryzzt wrote: »

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Second - where did they get the number? There are no public disclosures (Zenimax is private, Providence isn't going to say anything until and unless they do an IPO). Did they call Zenimax and get the number from their marketing department (which would really damage the article's credibility)? Did they visit some website that scrapes account data for various MMOs (and if so, which)? Did they...throw darts at a board? Journalism 101, cite your sources. If you do not, you're either making things up, or you're covering up, and either way - again - why should I believe anything you write if I catch you doing this?

So on the one hand, congratulations to ESO and all that. On the other hand, that one line by itself means I'm not going to pay any attention to the rest of the piece and, in fact, discount the article as a whole as being just about as authoritative as "Teen Choice Awards" or some such. [Even as I personally might agree with some of the choices, e.g. TWWH2.]

@Jarryzzt

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26209

Iselin · December 2017

No it isn't 10 million playing right now nor is it 10 million subs like WOW once had. That was a different accomplishment that is not likely to ever be duplicated again by a full-fledged MMORPG.

But 10 million accounts registered or 10 million units sold is still an accomplishment especially in this age where it's all about MOBAs or "shared world" FPS or Survival minimally multiplayer garbage.

The pickings for full-fledged MMORPGs are slim these days. You basically have WOW, GW2, ESO, FFARR, BDO, a few others like Wildstar just barely alive and a lot of older stuff like SWTOR, LOTRO, EQ, etc. long ago converted to F2P with a niche audience.

I happen to agree that ESO is the best of the lot. If I didn't, I'd be playing something else.

So just give it a small "yay" if you agree and move on. All this discussion about "10 million what?" is idiotic.

Balamoor · December 2017

We have such a strange community..Iv'e never seen a group of people fight so hard against anything positive that is said about this game. Though I have a feeling these will be the same people that will do homage videos and will bring it up every chance they get as the pinnacle of games after it closes.

I say that because I know SWG players that spent hours a day trashing the game on the forums...and now they are the keepers of the SWG flame. 'No game will ever compare to it!!" even though they yelled variation of "it sucks" and SOE is evil 24/7 while it was live.

That boys and girls is a whole new level of messed up.

Anyway glad to see the game getting recognition.

Balamoor · December 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

what is gamespace again?

They are kinda like massivelyOP and MMORPG.com except unlike them they have fairly ethical journos that don't echo the KOTAKU agenda of regressiveness.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

We have such a strange community..Iv'e never seen a group of people fight so hard against anything positive that is said about this game. Though I have a feeling these will be the same people that will do homage videos and will bring it up every chance they get as the pinnacle of games after it closes.

I say that because I know SWG players that spent hours a day trashing the game on the forums...and now they are the keepers of the SWG flame. 'No game will ever compare to it!!" even though they yelled variation of "it sucks" and SOE is evil 24/7 while it was live.

That boys and girls is a whole new level of messed up.

Anyway glad to see the game getting recognition.

See.

I dont even have that problem, I just dislike the direction and outright adversarial attitude they take with they're customers.

And plenty of other people are geting to be that way too. This has developed over the course of years. We have no other way to fight back against this company other than this, considering even financial attempts to discourage they're behavior tend to fail.

So, we make sure they dont get bad press, or we drown it out. I dunno what to tell you man, considering your also about as fanatical as they come, dismissing everyone who makes a criticism as 'messed up' or better yet 'harassers'. There's no middle ground anymore. One side reacts violently to any criticism of the game, the other side is too bitter half the time to want to acknowledge good things about the game. I wont pretend I'm not guilty of this.

Ideally, ZOS would get it's head out of it's rear, turn back some policies, people would calm down, and we could discuss things like rational people. But I doubt that's going to happen because the first will -never- happen.

Balamoor · December 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

We have such a strange community..Iv'e never seen a group of people fight so hard against anything positive that is said about this game. Though I have a feeling these will be the same people that will do homage videos and will bring it up every chance they get as the pinnacle of games after it closes.

I say that because I know SWG players that spent hours a day trashing the game on the forums...and now they are the keepers of the SWG flame. 'No game will ever compare to it!!" even though they yelled variation of "it sucks" and SOE is evil 24/7 while it was live.

That boys and girls is a whole new level of messed up.

Anyway glad to see the game getting recognition.

See.

I dont even have that problem, I just dislike the direction and outright adversarial attitude they take with they're customers.

And plenty of other people are geting to be that way too. This has developed over the course of years. We have no other way to fight back against this company other than this, considering even financial attempts to discourage they're behavior tend to fail.

So, we make sure they dont get bad press, or we drown it out. I dunno what to tell you man, considering your also about as fanatical as they come, dismissing everyone who makes a criticism as 'messed up' or better yet 'harassers'.

An impartial observer would disagree with you Doc......personally I have had plenty of criticisms of the game and I have voiced them....but unlike the usual suspects and their alt accounts I have the rational mindset that if you dislike a thing you move on to something you like and let Darwinism take care of the universe, I think there is something pathological and unhealthy about consuming something you hate understanding that you aren't going to get your way.

I did that with EQII, Neverwinter and with WAR AOR....I don't have time to waste on games I consider bad...but hey that's just logic.

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

We have such a strange community..Iv'e never seen a group of people fight so hard against anything positive that is said about this game. Though I have a feeling these will be the same people that will do homage videos and will bring it up every chance they get as the pinnacle of games after it closes.

I say that because I know SWG players that spent hours a day trashing the game on the forums...and now they are the keepers of the SWG flame. 'No game will ever compare to it!!" even though they yelled variation of "it sucks" and SOE is evil 24/7 while it was live.

That boys and girls is a whole new level of messed up.

Anyway glad to see the game getting recognition.

See.

I dont even have that problem, I just dislike the direction and outright adversarial attitude they take with they're customers.

And plenty of other people are geting to be that way too. This has developed over the course of years. We have no other way to fight back against this company other than this, considering even financial attempts to discourage they're behavior tend to fail.

So, we make sure they dont get bad press, or we drown it out. I dunno what to tell you man, considering your also about as fanatical as they come, dismissing everyone who makes a criticism as 'messed up' or better yet 'harassers'.

An impartial observer would disagree with you Doc......personally I have had plenty of criticisms of the game and I have voiced them....but unlike the usual suspects and their alt accounts I have the rational mindset that if you dislike a thing you move on to something you like and let Darwinism take care of the universe, I think there is something pathological and unhealthy about consuming something you hate understanding that you aren't going to get your way.

I did that with EQII, Neverwinter and with WAR AOR....I don't have time to waste on games I consider bad...but hey that's just logic.

If I had anywhere to go I'd friggin' go.

But quite frankly I have motor control damage, and very few MMO's nowadays have controller support period, or have basic design conducive to seting it up with a third party program. And the ones that do, are....ew. TERA is a great example. Loved the gameplay. Got driven out by the community and the writing.

So yeeeeah. Plus, this is the Elder Scrolls. My favorite franchise. I hate that they're doing this to a game that could be great as an MMO in it's own right, since it was never trying to be Skyrim Online.

I want for this game to succeed. I hate it, because I love it. And I know the key problem people in the design, and I know most of the problem is they're sheer inability or refusal to budge. God, the thought of certain people (You know who you are, not that you read the forums anyway) affecting the industry in any other development team is downright terrifying, god help the game he ruins next.

idk · December 2017

It's not hard to imagine ESO continuing to get alcolades like this.

Look at the top MMOs. WoW is rather stale and heading some say their new expansion is borrowing ideas from ESO. SWTOR went stale long ago since they over simplified builds as well as ceased building new raids. The Wildstar and the other MMO that launched about the same time died so fast no one really talks about it. Pretty much leaves FF for whatever it is.

Add that nothing significant is expected anytime soon.

Conduit0 · December 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

When Tera and BDO will come to consoles I think ESO population on console will decrease so much and atm PS4 have the same amount of people than on PC.

*insert Bender laugh harder meme here

Seriously, Tera and BDO? Tera looks pretty and has a great combat system but its an absolute abysmal failure of an MMO in every other area and BDO is straight up pay to win. There is zero worry of those two games stealing ESO's thunder, on any platform.

Zbigb4life · December 2017

Fix this game!!!!!

FloppyTouch · December 2017

So many people just want to see the game they play every day burn and die. Why so much hate?

This is one of the best mmorpgs I have ever played and I been playing them for 18 years. All mmo even WoW have issues this does not take away on how great the game is.

Gratz ESO ur number 1 on my list too

Elsonso · December 2017

Latest word from MassivelyOP:

http://massivelyop.com/2017/12/29/massively-ops-best-of-2017-awards-template/

"ESO is even better this year than last, adding huge patches like housing, multiple DLC, and the massive Morrowind expansion. It managed to weather its controversies nicely too (I’m thinking of the fuss over chapters vs. DLC)."

"Elder Scrolls Online has done a great job at steady positive progress. ZeniMax isn’t just doing the minimum to get by; it feels as if the game is on an upward trajectory with plenty of substance being added. This year there’s a whole new area to explore with new stories to play through, a new class, instanced PvP, and –a major bonus in my book — a new housing system. Did I mention it now has housing? And pretty cool housing at that! This feature alone made crafting an even bigger deal as furniture came into play as a new marketable item."

Doctordarkspawn · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Latest word from MassivelyOP:

http://massivelyop.com/2017/12/29/massively-ops-best-of-2017-awards-template/

"ESO is even better this year than last, adding huge patches like housing, multiple DLC, and the massive Morrowind expansion. It managed to weather its controversies nicely too (I’m thinking of the fuss over chapters vs. DLC)."

"Elder Scrolls Online has done a great job at steady positive progress. ZeniMax isn’t just doing the minimum to get by; it feels as if the game is on an upward trajectory with plenty of substance being added. This year there’s a whole new area to explore with new stories to play through, a new class, instanced PvP, and –a major bonus in my book — a new housing system. Did I mention it now has housing? And pretty cool housing at that! This feature alone made crafting an even bigger deal as furniture came into play as a new marketable item."

What a crock. "Steady positive progress". "Not just doing the bare minimum". Someone got paid for this crap.

But then again, anyone who's seen anything in reguards to the 'game's journalism' media knows -exactly- how review scores are tailored. Men get fired for too low a score or too negative a review.

JD2013 · December 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Latest word from MassivelyOP:

http://massivelyop.com/2017/12/29/massively-ops-best-of-2017-awards-template/

"ESO is even better this year than last, adding huge patches like housing, multiple DLC, and the massive Morrowind expansion. It managed to weather its controversies nicely too (I’m thinking of the fuss over chapters vs. DLC)."

"Elder Scrolls Online has done a great job at steady positive progress. ZeniMax isn’t just doing the minimum to get by; it feels as if the game is on an upward trajectory with plenty of substance being added. This year there’s a whole new area to explore with new stories to play through, a new class, instanced PvP, and –a major bonus in my book — a new housing system. Did I mention it now has housing? And pretty cool housing at that! This feature alone made crafting an even bigger deal as furniture came into play as a new marketable item."

What a crock. "Steady positive progress". "Not just doing the bare minimum". Someone got paid for this crap.

But then again, anyone who's seen anything in reguards to the 'game's journalism' media knows -exactly- how review scores are tailored. Men get fired for too low a score or too negative a review.

drkfrontiers · December 2017

Whats with all the doom and gloom. ESO is a great game to play. Tons of content, and things to do, and I see hundreds of people around me all the time. Hell someday's, it feels crowded.

dsalter · December 2017

just wish every skill worked properly and actually can be used even if it's slightly less performance than more popular skills, rather than the handicapping they currently give IF they work at all

Slack · January 2018

Balamoor wrote: »

We have such a strange community..Iv'e never seen a group of people fight so hard against anything positive that is said about this game. Though I have a feeling these will be the same people that will do homage videos and will bring it up every chance they get as the pinnacle of games after it closes.

I say that because I know SWG players that spent hours a day trashing the game on the forums...and now they are the keepers of the SWG flame. 'No game will ever compare to it!!" even though they yelled variation of "it sucks" and SOE is evil 24/7 while it was live.

That boys and girls is a whole new level of messed up.

Anyway glad to see the game getting recognition.

Don't forget when going to forums, that [snip] just about anyone can express their opinion just like anyone else and it just weighs as much as from anyone else.

Going through the "2017 the road ahead" thread one can see people wishing the game to die and yet play it, that's probably the best example

[edit for inappropriate comment]

rteezy · January 2018

NOT DESERVED at all.

Well, the problem is actually the the gaming community and overall industry. Since when is population or the increase of population a measure of quality in a mmo game?!

ANY top mmo will exponentially increase their numbers in the first few quarters after the launch of a major xpac, been happening for over a decade..IT DOES NOT mean the game is good, better or anything ..

ESO is "fine" at its best. There are player owned private servers form other mmos that run better then eso (fps and latency wise)

ESO has had CORe problems since its launch that have yet to be adressed and greatly influence gameplay.

IF there are mmos that can handle 5 time sthe amount of players without any fps dorp, memory leak or latency increase then ESO should not be awarded anythign (specially since some of those other games are much older then ESO)