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Just Saw how MagSorcs are Ridiculously Easy for PvE!
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bhagwad✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »I'm pretty sure magplar is the lowest dps parse in the game right now. It got nerfed to *** so many times that the abilities just do less of everything.
Did no one look at this 40k ranged magplar parse?Drummerx04 wrote: »
Few comments on this Magplar parse:
1. He's using crafted spell power pots on cooldown. Without that, he loses major sorcery. And sustain!
2. He has someone else providing him with ele drain
3. He's not using sweeps, which means he's not healing. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
4. He has no shield on his bar. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
In other words, this build is "gimmick". It has no self sustain, it has no heals, and it's pretty expensive to run.
The real test is whether or not you can DPS, while taking heavy damage at the same time and healing, all at once. I just improved my newbie sorc build to 32k DPS. And this without spell power pots, without an outside source of ele drain, and continuous healing.
If I were to sacrifice all this and go for pure damage, I'm sure I can hit far higher numbers. And this without even fully levelling up my skills, without undaunted passives, and without mage guild passives!
Note that I haven't even morphed elemental rage yet on my sorc. Is that insane or what?Edited by bhagwad on December 16, 2017 5:46AM5 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭And now this just takes the cake. I improved my rotation and hit 32K DPS on my brand new sorcerer. My magplar has never hit 30 even once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdzZLtQCSVY
Okay. @bhagwad, did you even look at the 40k magplar video I posted above? I have yet to see anyone even admit that the video exists.
Also, I doubt you'll get much higher than 35k on the pet sorc. It's a high floor, low ceiling build.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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✭✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »I'm pretty sure magplar is the lowest dps parse in the game right now. It got nerfed to *** so many times that the abilities just do less of everything.
Did no one look at this 40k ranged magplar parse?Drummerx04 wrote: »
Few comments on this Magplar parse:
1. He's using crafted spell power pots on cooldown. Without that, he loses major sorcery. And sustain!
2. He has someone else providing him with ele drain
3. He's not using sweeps, which means he's not healing. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
4. He has no shield on his bar. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
In other words, this build is "gimmick". It has no self sustain, it has no heals, and it's pretty expensive to run.
The real test is whether or not you can DPS, while taking heavy damage at the same time and healing, all at once. I just improved my newbie sorc build to 32k DPS. And this without spell power pots, without an outside source of ele drain, and continuous healing.
If I were to sacrifice all this and go for pure damage, I'm sure I can hit far higher numbers. And this without even fully levelling up my skills, without undaunted passives, and without mage guild passives!
Note that I haven't even morphed elemental rage yet on my sorc. Is that insane or what?
It is not a gimmick build by any means. My guess is your focus is not on raiding trials based on your comments.
1. for max pain spell power pots are a must and common in parses.
2. It is common for ele drain to be provided for parses. Raiding guilds want to see a parse of the players normal rotation and not having the most basic sustain they would have to compensate and hence not use their normal rotation.
3. Who cares what skills he is using. Drumer was pointing what is possible with a magplar.
4. Shield is essentially a flex slot. The player very likely raids with a shield on his bar. Maybe the jabs slot or maybe the ritual slot since he would also be getting orbs in a trial.
Edited by idk on December 16, 2017 6:12AM3 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »And now this just takes the cake. I improved my rotation and hit 32K DPS on my brand new sorcerer. My magplar has never hit 30 even once.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdzZLtQCSVY
Okay. @bhagwad, did you even look at the 40k magplar video I posted above? I have yet to see anyone even admit that the video exists.
Also, I doubt you'll get much higher than 35k on the pet sorc. It's a high floor, low ceiling build.
I had replied a few minutes ago.1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
You're right no one will complain about Stamblades pulling above 50k because in raids they only do as much DPS as a DK, which means that they are basically pointless in a raid.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
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✭✭✭✭I look at Magsorc as the PvE character with which it's the easiest to reach solid respectable DPS while having great survivability. However, as stated above, they are not the hardest hitting class at all. A great character to have for sure because it's easy to complete content like vMA with them. I love mine.
All that being said I find them to be among the most if not the most boring class to play as DPS for PvE. My stamina Nightblade has a much more rewarding rotation for instance that feels more involved. Magsorc is easy and good but not the best and also boring. Great class for new players and I think everyone should have one just because they have so much utility especially in solo-play.0 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs should do even more damage if you ask me
But all the cry babies will win and sorcs will get more nerfs.
I think tanks should be nerfed..if I can't have 75k hitpoints and do 50k damage I'm offended
Edited by monktoasty on December 16, 2017 7:52AM2 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭Judging by the title, I thought this was going to be a necro thread from ESO launch because I thought it was common knowledge by now that MagSorcs are powerful beasties. Sorcs in general are strong whether they be Stam or Mag and it's easy to play, so I'm always confounded when I see a terrible Sorc.1 -
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✭I've been a magplar player since the beginning. The only other toon I've played is a DK tank.
I've slowly improved my magplar DPS to 27k over the past few months. Painstakingly managing rotations. Buffs like major sorcery. Elemental drain. Channeled focus. Timing the skills right so that each is renewed at just the right time. Testing out gear. Full undaunted. Full mages guild for the passives. All passives (of course).
Last week I decided to roll a magsorc. Just to see what the fuss was about. I levelled her up with Dolmens, benefiting from the new life double XP event.
So I crafted a Julianos for her. Gave her my vMA lightning staff, with some infallible aether lying around, and slapped on this build from @Masel92 .
Basic dummy parse on first day: 25k DPS!!. Lol!
And this is:
1. Without Elemental Range fully levelled up.
2. Without Elemental Drain
3. Without Undaunted passives
4. Without Mages guild passives (I just unlocked inner light)
5. Without even unlocking all my class passives Some of them are still sitting at 48/49.
And this is a suboptimal set up since I've made modifications to get more health. By the time I level up undaunted and mages and unlock all the passives I'll be 30k DPS using just 5 skills!
It's unbelievable. This is a heavy attack build. I don't have to manage any buff other than major sorcery, and power surge takes care of that. 30 second duration! And I can do all this from range, without wasting mana on an expensive skill like puncturing sweeps to stay alive. Passive damage from pets will likely be very useful on the crystal stage of round 9 of vMA when I'm hiding behind a wall.
I never knew getting damage in ESO was so easy. Magsorcs for the win!
Update: I improved my rotations (same day), slotted ele drain, and I hit 32K DPS! I have never managed to break 30k with my magplar, even with full undaunted passives, and mage guild passives. In the video below, I haven't even morphed elemental rage!
It's just...wow. Unbelievable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdzZLtQCSVY
Fun fact: Stamsorcerers are just as easy, if not more.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The problem is not that sorc is too easy
The problem is that magplar is too bad
nailed it!
To this "great 40k DPS-Parse", i know they exist....butbring it to a raid and you will see it won't improve that much in DPS, bc it's build for selfbuffs (offbalance and penetration mainly). Every other Ranged-DPS will out-DPS it. i have yet to see a Magplar doing more than 50k DPS ST in a raid (which is possible with magsorc/magblade).
In summary: Templars are just bad despite being able to hit okish numbers on a dummy.Noobplar2 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Less to do with mag sorcs (which are relatively meh DPS compared to what else is out there) than Magplars, whose DPS has been gutted by ZoS's nerfs.
Even if you look at Drummer's post, you'll see that player replaced what's supposed to be their bread and butter skill, puncturing sweeps, with an the expensive Destructive Reach, which isn't even that good of a DPS skill.
Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.2 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »I'm pretty sure magplar is the lowest dps parse in the game right now. It got nerfed to *** so many times that the abilities just do less of everything.
Did no one look at this 40k ranged magplar parse?Drummerx04 wrote: »
Few comments on this Magplar parse:
1. He's using crafted spell power pots on cooldown. Without that, he loses major sorcery. And sustain!
2. He has someone else providing him with ele drain
3. He's not using sweeps, which means he's not healing. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
4. He has no shield on his bar. In a real vMA scenario, he would die
In other words, this build is "gimmick". It has no self sustain, it has no heals, and it's pretty expensive to run.
The real test is whether or not you can DPS, while taking heavy damage at the same time and healing, all at once. I just improved my newbie sorc build to 32k DPS. And this without spell power pots, without an outside source of ele drain, and continuous healing.
If I were to sacrifice all this and go for pure damage, I'm sure I can hit far higher numbers. And this without even fully levelling up my skills, without undaunted passives, and without mage guild passives!
Note that I haven't even morphed elemental rage yet on my sorc. Is that insane or what?
It is not a gimmick build by any means. My guess is your focus is not on raiding trials based on your comments.
1. for max pain spell power pots are a must and common in parses.
2. It is common for ele drain to be provided for parses. Raiding guilds want to see a parse of the players normal rotation and not having the most basic sustain they would have to compensate and hence not use their normal rotation.
3. Who cares what skills he is using. Drumer was pointing what is possible with a magplar.
4. Shield is essentially a flex slot. The player very likely raids with a shield on his bar. Maybe the jabs slot or maybe the ritual slot since he would also be getting orbs in a trial.
You're right. My focus is not on trials. I spend all my time in vMA or Dungeon PUGs. From this angle, here are some of my observations:
1. Spell power pots are just too expensive. I don't have the money. Hell, I even hoard my trash magicka pots! Any build I use has to be able to live without them. Otherwise no go.
2. In a PUG, perhaps only 1 in 5 runs will have someone using ele drain. I simply can't afford the luxury of assuming that the target will have ele drain on them. And of course, you're alone in vMA.
3. The skills he's using are relevant, because it shows his focus. If he's not incorporating sweeps into his rotation, it's because he doesn't care about staying alive, and doesn't care about being in melee range. This will get you killed in vMA.
4. He can't unslot jabs because he needs it on his bar to get the 10% crit chance from the Aedric spear passive. You see how every aspect of his build is just focused on damage, with no heed for sustain or survival? That's why I treat it as a "gimmick" build. Any orbs are even more rare than ele drain.Edited by bhagwad on December 16, 2017 3:19PM0 -
bhagwad✭✭✭✭Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
Edited by bhagwad on December 16, 2017 3:24PM0 -
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✭Seems like this is a nerf mag sorc thread hasn't the community already done enough to literally destroy this class. Secondly any class can easy solo 90% of the game can probably be beaten blind.
If you think mag sorc is easy to solo i made a stam warden hes level 10 with lv 10 green gear/glyphs and blue level 10 2hd I'm literally hitting 32k crit with dizzying swing and with frost cloak and the first heal skill i can't die I solo'd about 3 or 4 world bosses in Eastmarch and Alik'r and got threw Windhelms Hall of Dead group dungeon only using Dizzying Swing this game is easyXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.5 -
vovus69✭✭✭✭yeah, magsorcs are simplest - may be because zos devs are playing it as main char? They just cannot handle complex rotations and have a means to make the one they are playing simple and easy for them ...
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✭✭I just cast a couple ground DoT's and hold left click. I'm not actually bothered about DPS, just completing, boring, repetitive, necessary PvE content. Sorc is by far the highest DPS for lazy people.PC EU0 -
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✭Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.With cold regards,
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bhagwad✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.
That's interesting. How do you heal without surge?0 -
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✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.
That's interesting. How do you heal without surge?
Shields are your best friend.Noobplar1 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds about right for ANY class below level 50. Welcome to scaling. Characters below level 40 will seem overpowered. Around 45 you'll start seeing drops in stats as you become closer to 50.
Case in point. I decided to roll a DK tank. Using 4pc Allesia and 5pc Hist Bark (replacing every 10 levels)
Level 1-30 - 43k-45K health
Level 35-45 - 35k-38K health
CP 445 - 32k health
Yes, I noticed. I have one toon that's reached 47-48 and it definitely feels weaker now for some reason.
With the double xp though my gear has fallen behind but not that much.
Does it get better again once I hit 50 and start earning CP ? I hope so.
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SisterGoat✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like magplar needs a buff, not magsorc needs a nerf.Jumps-In-Water - Magicka Templar
Dar'akar - Stamina Nightblade
Jumps-In-Lava - Magicka Dragon Knight
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mag Sorc has an easier than usual rotation and puts out good DPS. Mainly what you’re noticing is that they’re very noob-friendly, but few people can actually perform their rotation in trials to the same level as they can on a target skeleton. Ofc you feel Sorc is strong lol.
Currently Magplar has two essential bugged skills dealing much less damage than intended - Sweeps and Jesus beam.... yet still it is possible to hit 40K solo on a target skeleton. You have to unslot Jesus beam for max DPS btw xD
Magicka Warden (the worst spec in the entire game for PvE) can barely hit sub 40K numbers and *only* by cheesing a target skeleton by casting sills off cooldown/not using a rotation. If you want to feel good about Magplar again, try out a Mag Warden DPS.....
Stam NBs can hit 50K+ solo. Mag NBs can hit nearly 47K+ as well. So, if we judge the strength of each class strictly by their solo target skeleton DPS..... which is a horrible measurement..... we find NB needs an enormous nerf. Sorc can’t get anywhere close to that.
In terms of Sorc DPS, you’ll find that Stam Sorc is not top dog at all for Stam DPS. For Mag DPS Magicka Sorc is outclassed in every way by Mag NBs except AoE Damage (if using pet). Sorcs are basically the Offbalance/Minor Prophecy providers for the group while everyone else is either Stam DPS or Mag NBs.
In vMA, Sorc and Nightblade are historically the best picks. Templar, DK, and Warden tend to not be as well suited but players have still hit 590-600K vMA scores with them.
The point is pick what you like. Skill >> class in this game but if running solo I recommend Sorc or NB.
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✭✭Templar has 3 buggy skills atm...jabs/sweeps, radiant destruction and PotL/purifying light...so 3 of the strongest class-skills are bugged...
Stamplar is still viable bc it provides group-support and good DPS (bc stamina), but magplar is completely screwed. no support, no dps, no reason to bring to a raid.Noobplar1 -
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✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.
That's interesting. How do you heal without surge?
Well, typically the healer heals. I always bring a shield for survivability, however, just in case.With cold regards,
Mythic
Favorite Characters:Kilith Telvayn, Dunmer Telvanni Sorcerer (main)
Kilith, Dunmer Magblade (old main)
Vadusa Venim, Dunmer crafter (older main)
Hir Hlaalu, Dunmer Warden
Søren Icehelm, N'wah Warden
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Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.
That's interesting. How do you heal without surge?
The more optimised the group the more time you spend performing your specific role, you shouldn't actually need to heal in group content as a dps.Edited by Runefang on December 16, 2017 9:59PM0 -
Splattercat_83✭✭✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Will the rant about sorcs ever end? You do understand that several setups outparse sorc by 10k, right?! But no, you wont complain that stamNB is pulling 50k, or stamDK, or maybe magNB. I know its trendy to rant about sorcs, but dude, get a perspective.
It's not about outparsing. Let me explain (with a specific focus on vMA).
1. My templar needed a complex skill rotation to get 27k dps. The magsorc uses just 4/5 skills.
2. My templar needed to be in range to heal with puncturing sweeps. The magsorc heals from range with power surge
3. My templar needed to slot a special skill for major sorcery. The magsorc gets it built in!
4. My templar got a shield of 15k. My new magsorc gets a 19k shield!
Also, while I haven't gone full out on stamina builds (because I'm too lazy to farm vigor/caltrops), I have tried them out. Here are my thoughts.
1. No shields
2. No solid heals (like 5k/second). Vigor is the only real burst heal. This makes it unforgiving.
3. Need to be in range
4. VERY complex and fast paced rotations to get high DPS
When I look at my newly minted magsorc, it's just...wow. I just parsed 27k on a dummy. And this is on my first day! My magplar needed months to get this high!
Ok, you have few good points there, but dont forget, flip side is absurdly lesser dps then specs i mentioned earlier.
For the bolded parts.
Can you tell me where to buy sorc with built in major sorcery? Sorc need pots like everyone else can, or use surge.
When i PvE with my sorc i use harness magicka since i found it more beneficial. Nothing will one shoot you if you have your 15k shield up and magicka returns from harness is ridiculous.
On the subject of no shields for stam, I'll argue that blade cloak provides equal if not better protection in PvE runs and it's always on, since its also dips skill.
VERY complex skill rotations? More complex then sorcs, sure! Very complex is kinda exaggerating, especially if we talk stam dk, which is literally reapplying dots. I found MagNB hardest to master, but still, after 15-20 dummie practice runs i managed almost consistently get off 3 assassins will per duration. Basically just need some practice.
You're right. Rotation complexity is subjective. However, my experience in a stressful situation like vMA is that the fewer rotations, the better. When you're under fire everwhere, and a strangler just popped up, or you got thrown down in stage 9, or got pulled in by the 8th round mini boss, your brain freezes! And then the buffs drop off since you need emergency healing or damage and don't have time for other stuff.
As a result, I even started using Rattlecage for vMA on my magplar because I couldn't afford the time to use entropy in a stressful situation! That's why simple skill rotations are important for me. The less I do, the less that can go wrong!
I don't think any sorc in vMA or dungeon PUGS can survive without surge. As such, I take it as a given that they're using it. It's such a useful skill, and probably one of their defining survivability tools.
You may be right about blade cloak, but I just don't know. I don't have enough experience with stam builds, so I can't comment
I can't speak for vMA as I have little experience there, but you can absolutely PUG without surge. Hell, I've even run vAS without it. It isn't nearly as defining as you think.
That's interesting. How do you heal without surge?
A healer.0
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