run dolmen loop in Ailk desert for undaunted

DiePainPain wrote: »

run dolmen loop in Ailk desert for undaunted

You've got it confused with Fighter's Guild.

Ya, that penalty needs to be adjusted somehow in these situations. Maybe an option to vote for a retreat, so no one is penalized, and you can re-enter the queue immediately after leaving a failed run group.

i sometimes wonder if people actually read the posts they reply to.

Flameheart wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Or grab a set of heavy armor, get a sword & shield and tick the corresponding box in group finder. The queue time is ~10s on average. Any class can do it if it uses the proper gear and skills. Then people will add you and ask you to run dungeons non-stop

This.

I still wonder why so less people who play magicka based chars do not play their chars in all 3 roles. For 4-man-vet-stuff it's just getting some gear and a macroclick, Dressing Room does the rest, no CP, attribute or mundus change needed. With a stamina build char you can do the same at least for the DD and tank role.

Instead of enjoying the options and features of this game in full, 3 million people queue up as a DD while 2 million of those can't do the dps of an average DD...

My only explanation for that behavior is that there are far too many Sky Reach babies out there who do even lack the skillpoints for the 1hand+shield and heavy armor skill lines...

Um. Well some people actually like playing a dd. "I can't find a group as a dd - Then find one as tank" isn't really solving the problem as finding the group as a dd, just saying. Plus being a good tank, while still doable with whatever cp/attribute allocation for most dungeons, does require specific gear, most of which is BoP and requires quite a bit of farming to get. Wanting to play as a dps has no direct correlation to being a bad player whatsoever.

Also personally I've mostly stopped queueing for vet dungeons on my tank because on my tanks I actually tank and cannot dps. That means if I get a 5k total dps group I'm stuck with it. It's hilarious at first but it has gotten old eventually.

To actual OP - imo they should just make pledges auto complete as well. That's what they do to randoms, wouldn't hurt anyone and would give people more of an incentive to help out with unfinished pledges(whereas now many people just drop group if it's progressed beyond first pledge boss before they joined).

Magdalina wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Or grab a set of heavy armor, get a sword & shield and tick the corresponding box in group finder. The queue time is ~10s on average. Any class can do it if it uses the proper gear and skills. Then people will add you and ask you to run dungeons non-stop

This.

I still wonder why so less people who play magicka based chars do not play their chars in all 3 roles. For 4-man-vet-stuff it's just getting some gear and a macroclick, Dressing Room does the rest, no CP, attribute or mundus change needed. With a stamina build char you can do the same at least for the DD and tank role.

Instead of enjoying the options and features of this game in full, 3 million people queue up as a DD while 2 million of those can't do the dps of an average DD...

My only explanation for that behavior is that there are far too many Sky Reach babies out there who do even lack the skillpoints for the 1hand+shield and heavy armor skill lines...

Um. Well some people actually like playing a dd. "I can't find a group as a dd - Then find one as tank" isn't really solving the problem as finding the group as a dd, just saying. Plus being a good tank, while still doable with whatever cp/attribute allocation for most dungeons, does require specific gear, most of which is BoP and requires quite a bit of farming to get. Wanting to play as a dps has no direct correlation to being a bad player whatsoever.

Also personally I've mostly stopped queueing for vet dungeons on my tank because on my tanks I actually tank and cannot dps. That means if I get a 5k total dps group I'm stuck with it. It's hilarious at first but it has gotten old eventually.

To actual OP - imo they should just make pledges auto complete as well. That's what they do to randoms, wouldn't hurt anyone and would give people more of an incentive to help out with unfinished pledges(whereas now many people just drop group if it's progressed beyond first pledge boss before they joined).

Oh yeah, it's so difficult to play a tank....please stop that sermon. It's taunting, piling up trash as good as possible, debuffing and buffing (Warhorn -> 3 hours PvP in Cyro..) and having the ressources for that (prismatic glyphs). The skills on your skill bar are mostly self-explaining if you aren't a complete moron and mostly interchangable for all 5 classes.

I looked up Woeler's site for tanks, adjusted the build a bit for 4-man-stuff and to my personal comfortness and then I just queued the first time as a tank. Some things you might learn the hard way (especially interrupts in special boss fights), some things you already know from your life as DD. It's maybe hard to do that as a total noob mostly because of personal gold funds, but as a long time player it shouldn't be such of an issue. The only thing you - maybe - have to farm actively is Swarm Mother when you don't play a DK or Warden as tank for better piling up trash mobs, but I am pretty sure, almost all pledges will work nevertheless and the time wasted for ranged NPCs you have to kill separate will be limited. You can do a lot alone by using initial aggro and positioning. Actually the DK and Warden tanks I meet in PUGs I never watch using chains or portals are legion, so Swarm Mother should not make any difference.

You don't need Akaviri + Ebon as a 4-man-vet-pledge-tank. You can buy Akaviri on guild traders btw for reasonable prices. Ebon you might collect otw. As a crafted set I would take good old Seducer anytime. Even in just purple quality it would be sufficient for any 4-man-pledge except maybe RoM, CoS and the other 2 DLC pledges.

Nobody should be stressed to play always a tank (I agree that the fake-DD issue is much worse as the fake-tank issue), but I like the variability and experienced extremely short queues (10 seconds max) and a lot of flexibility in PUGs. Playing a DD is my favorite too, but the flexibility (I can even be a full healer on all my magicka chars) allowed my to get all speed, no death and slayer achievements with 5 of my 6 chars at least for nonDLC stuff in PUGs, while others are still sleeping in the queue as a DD.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Make some friends, join guilds, it is a MMO after all.

Better yet... Zos could make the pledge for last boss only. Solved.

Aisle9 wrote: »

While I don't think keep working on the GF is a good idea (just let it die... ), and it would be much better to join a guild to run daily pledges, or at least have friends...

..the OP has a point, it's kind of annoying to get into an half finished dungeon because their tank decided to ragequit...

There should, at least, be no impediment to queue right away if you join a dungeon half-way.

I've had this happen many times, port into a dungeon and find everyone standing around the final bosses room. As annoying as it is when I'm running pledges I'll go help them. Very soon we'll either complete the dungeon and get the rewards for doing so or I find out why the ex-group members rage quit on them. (usually it's because of such low dps that they can't kill the bosses ads.) Then I have to run the dungeon again just for the pledge to count. I'm not even asking for a pledge auto complete in cases like this, just that the queue timer should be waved when these situtations happen.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

DiePainPain wrote: »

run dolmen loop in Ailk desert for undaunted

What? Dolmens don't raise Undaunted skill.

I've had undaunted lvl by just doing dolmens. Not by much, but on my newest toon, I went from 1-2 without ever doing anything undaunted quest related.

Thinking about it, at the time one of my healing achievements popped, so it may have been a bug.

I think dolmens might count as dungeons in terms of blocking, dmg and healing. Might be wrong but also might not be bugged.

On the other hand this is probably the only achievements you can get from this so won't really help to lvl. undaunted.

Apache_Kid wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The fix is form your own group. Works best going to your guild to do so, but can also be done from zone.

The fix should be that ZoS implements a change that when you queue into a dungeon via the activity finder that is partially completed, you get the credit for killing the bosses for your pledge quest up to where the group you joined is currently at in terms of progression through the dungeon. Putting this on the players is wrong when the current way this is handled is flawed and illogical.

It doesn't seem to be a problem (at least as far as I have seen) if you're just doing randoms, that seems to mark activity complete for the final boss even if you skip some - but queueing for pledges you really don't want to join a group halfway through a dungeon - it's a waste of your time if you can't complete the activity you were queueing for (if it's a pledge). And you are right, it doesn't seem fair to be put in that situation where you port in to do half a dungeon and don't get completion for the pledge.

There are a couple of ways this could be remedied - a checkbox in Dungeon Finder for "Pledge" where it won't put you in a group halfway through (may be a bit longer to queue, but rather that than do half a dungeon and still not get the pledge completed), or as you suggest if Dungeon Finder puts you in one, updates you to the point in the dungeon where the rest of the group are at when you port in.

For Undaunted you can also do Bolgrul's Daily quest. It gives 10 pts towards Undaunted, the same amount you receive from doing a Normal dungeon pledge.

I have yet to see a PUG run not complete a dungeon. Sorry you have been getting the low DPS groups. Good luck.

Well, the queue is just supply and demand. I think the ratio of people queuing as DDs is skewed even beyond what would amount to a trial group make-up. I tick both tank/DD or healer/DD sometimes when queuing for normal dungeons, ex. during the recent event and I almost never get picked as DD. It's tank or healer ~95% of the time, most times in as little as 10s. So it's clear that few people queue as tank and even fewer do actually tank or at least hold aggro in any way when they get in - I do slot the undaunted taunt while maintaining generally a DD setup. I've even noticed in zone chat or trade guilds people with almost fully formed PuGs Craglorn normal trials spamming for tank for as much as 30 minutes, and go unanswered. So the problem is real. This shows there's barely enough tanks to get by for trial groups where you have 8-16% (1/12-1/6), let alone dungeons, where the ratio should be 25%(1/4). Probably considerably less than 10% of characters in this game have a tanking setup. All my characters have multiple setups for at least 2/3 roles since they are well rounded, not just grinded to 50 and thrown into content.