Skins and vampires

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2017

maniac4maniac wrote: »

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion

Why would you want it?

Let's face it, you decided to be a vampire, knowing this was a side effect. Still, unlike the series, you are not hunted for being a vampire. It's just vanity. If you are not happy with the way you look, and yes, you look awful, get cured.

A skin to get disguised would make sense if abominations like vampires could get hunted.

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

I don't see a problem if there was such skin. DOn't use it if you like your vampire look. ~70% would use it, probably more depending on how many topics there are and how often does this question appear, but ZoS are slow AF as always with implementing good ideas.

This is precisely my problem with Vampires. It screws up the theme of the game. It makes a class intended to be inherently anti-vampire more likely to become vampire. I've said all along there needs to be a proper Dawnguard-like faction that was mutually exclusive with monster-scum and Fighters Guild is NOT it. Its bad enough you can walk in daylight unscathed.

dodgehopper_ESO · December 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

maniac4maniac wrote: »

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

...and you can't bear the burden of looking as ugly as f for this? We are talking vanity here, not having the screen upside down or taking constant heavy damage during the day.

Kinda like all the mounts, costumes, personalities, dyes, skins, hair styles, tattoos and hats? Oh and pets.

And if they can't/won't give vampires this at the very least they could make it so the tattoos are not all washed out.

I agree with this. The color alteration on tattoos and beards/hair is inconsistent. It strikes me as odd as well that an Altmer Vampire who has gold tattoos or facepaint would suddenly find the paint or tattoo turn a strange blue-gray.

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

In the words of the great @Apache_Kid, It's never going to happen. Never ever forever. I promise.

Yep!

I hate the way vampirism makes my characters look so I just don't use it. I'm losing out on some stats but it's a trade off I'm willing to make because we will never get a way to hide it. Even if it looks like ****

coop500 · December 2017

The majority of people are already vampires.... If they did this, EVERYONE would be a vampire. This is not Vampire Scrolls Online

Tasear · December 2017

We must continue to talk about it so the issue gets resolved! But my thoughts are make dlc for it. Also it really should happen as eso profits are made from cosmetics so it's not wrong people want to look good.

P.S buff werewolves and fix torrementor set

Stania · December 2017

The only complaint I have about appearance in vampires is the lack of fangs and how body-paint looks (tattoos is understandable, but body-paint is located above the skin).

I've seen plenty of vampires that look quite nice even on advanced stages, which makes me think that an ugly one (even on stage one), is more a character design issue.

coop500 · December 2017

Stania wrote: »

The only complaint I have about appearance in vampires is the lack of fangs and how body-paint looks (tattoos is understandable, but body-paint is located above the skin).

I've seen plenty of vampires that look quite nice even on advanced stages, which makes me think that an ugly one (even on stage one), is more a character design issue.

I agree, TBH look at the other vampire thread posting pretty vampires, they look fine to me.

Disguises also turn you fully back to the way you were when you created the character. So they have options. I have two vampires even so I do have a dog (lizard/cat) in this race and I think they look fine. I seen way uglier vampires, just look at Oblivion's sucked in faces, you guys don't get that at least.

preevious · December 2017

Well, the concern about loosing the disguise in combat is valid. I suppose knowing that an opponent is a vampire goes a long way in devising a strategy (I wouldn't know, PVP not being my forté).

I would be ok with that.

Even if in PVP, if I want to hide my vampirism, I simply uncheck "hide the helmet", and no one will be able to see my true nature, so .. loosing the disguise in battle would be a compromise, maybe, but very much useless.
And that is not to mention all the polymorphs, and all the other skins that hide the vapirism just as well.

Apache_Kid · December 2017

Stania wrote: »

The only complaint I have about appearance in vampires is the lack of fangs and how body-paint looks (tattoos is understandable, but body-paint is located above the skin).

I've seen plenty of vampires that look quite nice even on advanced stages, which makes me think that an ugly one (even on stage one), is more a character design issue.

Have to disagree. I've never seen an advanced stage vampire that looked nice because they have fissures in their skin. I also do not think stage 1 vampires look good because the skin shade looks sickly to me and the eyes do not look good. But this is is all personal preference of course.

Highlor3 · December 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Immortal_Blood

Count Verandis.
Elsenia of shademist moors (and the one she is saved by, if you pick that ending).

The point is if you're well fed, you trade raw power for subterfuge in TES. If you're going to use lore, don't cherry pick.

My proposal? At stage one you look human. At stage four, or if you are seen in WW form in town, you get the same heat and bounty as a murder. Let's bring things back to TES pls.

Vampires throughout the main series (3D games only):

TES III: Morrowind

TES IV: Oblivion

TES V: Skyrim

None of them have the vampire stage 1 looking exactly like a normal human/elf/argonian/khajiit.

I do agree with you that stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should get bounty in ESO, but we know that the chances of ZOS changing things as they are now is improbable. Maybe in a future DLC/Chapter, with a revamp on vamps and wolves.
Maybe a drink (golden recipe) that allows you to disguise as normal human for X hours. Working like the Psijic Ambrosia, allowing players to use normal food & drink in conjunction. Maybe even requiring Perfect Roe as an ingredient.

EDIT: Typo.

coop500 · December 2017

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

The only complaint I have about appearance in vampires is the lack of fangs and how body-paint looks (tattoos is understandable, but body-paint is located above the skin).

I've seen plenty of vampires that look quite nice even on advanced stages, which makes me think that an ugly one (even on stage one), is more a character design issue.

Have to disagree. I've never seen an advanced stage vampire that looked nice because they have fissures in their skin. I also do not think stage 1 vampires look good because the skin shade looks sickly to me and the eyes do not look good. But this is is all personal preference of course.

Of course they look sickly and have red eyes, they're vampires! This is like asking werewolves to not look like a mix between a wolf and a ape. It's what they are, undead. Far as I am concerned, they look rather pretty for dead corpses. At least they don't look like zombies

AlienSlof · December 2017

This I would definitely use on my Khajiit vampires. Their body fur shouldn't change colour any more than head hair does.

Apache_Kid · December 2017

coop500 wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

The only complaint I have about appearance in vampires is the lack of fangs and how body-paint looks (tattoos is understandable, but body-paint is located above the skin).

I've seen plenty of vampires that look quite nice even on advanced stages, which makes me think that an ugly one (even on stage one), is more a character design issue.

Have to disagree. I've never seen an advanced stage vampire that looked nice because they have fissures in their skin. I also do not think stage 1 vampires look good because the skin shade looks sickly to me and the eyes do not look good. But this is is all personal preference of course.

Of course they look sickly and have red eyes, they're vampires! This is like asking werewolves to not look like a mix between a wolf and a ape. It's what they are, undead. Far as I am concerned, they look rather pretty for dead corpses. At least they don't look like zombies

I was stating reasons as to why I didn't think they looked good in response to a post that said they looked good. Look at my earlier post in the thread I said I do not use vampires because of the way the look and accept this as a trade off even though I am losing out on stats. Nowhere in my post did i express surprise or anger that vampires had these features, simply that I find those features to be gross looking. That's it.

DocFrost72 · December 2017

Highlor3 wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Immortal_Blood

Count Verandis.
Elsenia of shademist moors (and the one she is saved by, if you pick that ending).

The point is if you're well fed, you trade raw power for subterfuge in TES. If you're going to use lore, don't cherry pick.

My proposal? At stage one you look human. At stage four, or if you are seen in WW form in town, you get the same heat and bounty as a murder. Let's bring things back to TES pls.

Vampires throughout the main series (3D games only):

TES III: Morrowind

TES IV: Oblivion

TES V: Skyrim

None of them have the vampire stage 1 looking exactly like a normal human/elf/argonian/khajiit.

I do agree with you that stage 4 vampires and transformed werewolves should get bounty in ESO, but we know that the chances of ZOS changing things as they are now is improbable. Maybe in a future DLC/Chapter, with a revamp on vamps and wolves.
Maybe a drink (golden recipe) that allows you to disguise as normal human for X hours. Working like the Psijic Ambrosia, allowing players to use normal food & drink in conjunction. Maybe even requiring Perfect Roe as an ingredient.

EDIT: Typo.

Okay, "exactly" is reaching, but look at those, then look at:

(Credit to @MornaBaine , I'm almost 100 positive these are hers since she's posted them on the forum before. Hey, you're Google famous!)

And tell me that anyone with half a brain could mistake that for a mortal. It is supposed to be near impossible to get tipped off by stage one appearance, and that's before enchanted items and illusion magic or... and little makeup? Lol.

Don't even get me started on tats. Contrary to popular belief, your skin could get bleached and your tattoo would remain stark. Reason is that tattoos are just ink inserted into a pocket of skin. Skin color has nothing to do with their effective darkness. More on that, check out:

https://youtu.be/802ewntoCvw

Suffice to say there are many problems with vampires in this game that fly in the face of previous lore (and just simple lore of magic without the utilization of illusion magics). Not addressing those because one perceives it as "whining" is just a strawman argument (not saying you take this stance, others do).

duendology · December 2017

That escalated pretty quickly.

So, the issue being vampire players want to look like humans? How about werewolves being literally neglected and have some buffs only in wolf form..whereas vamps enjoying the passives all the time?
Ehh.. and I said it... a "vampire" player.

Maybe a drink (golden recipe) that allows you to disguise as normal human for X hours. Working like the Psijic Ambrosia, allowing players to use normal food & drink in conjunction. Maybe even requiring Perfect Roe as an ingredient.

What for, @Highlor3 ? The entire Tamriel population of NPCs is neutral to vampires? Unless, it would be for cosmetic purposes. But, I am sure, I wouldn't be ever getting it. heh And as a vampire in ESO you can "drink" and "eat" the "buffs"...

In order to change it..it would require from ZOS doing some serious "overriding" the entire game? Not going to happen...

Also, some posters suggested "fangs". Are you serious? You don't walk around with your mouth open.and fangs are visible only when you get in "combat mode" or feeding. Unless, again, you want them look like orcs or sabre cats... I wouldn't want that..so, no thanks, I don't want vampires walk with the fangs bare or have the fangs bigger they can't close their mouths.. THAT would look more ridiculous than red eyes!

preevious · December 2017

@duendology

Not playing werewolf, I'll admit I know nothing of their shortcomings.
Offering them buffs while in human form would seem quite sensible to me, since I personnaly think that lycanthropy also affect the very nature of the afflicted, thus making him more powerful even in human form.

I thought it was the case, but apparently not .. it should be, however.

In order to change it..it would require from ZOS doing some serious "overriding" the entire game? Not going to happen...

Well, I'm not so sure about that .. since vampire skin is just kind of applied above the normal skin, adding an invisible skin instead would just remove it and show the normal skin ... assumed of course that any skin you adorn replace the vampire skin, wich must be the case since when you are cured you get back your original skin.. it's thus retained and just covered.
(that's how I would have went about coding that, actually).

duendology · December 2017

preevious wrote: »

Well, I'm not so sure about that .. since vampire skin is just kind of applied above the normal skin, adding an invisible skin instead would just remove it and show the normal skin ... assumed of course that any skin you adorn replace the vampire skin, wich must be the case since when you are cured you get back your original skin.. it's thus retained and just covered.
(that's how I would have went about coding that, actually).

I was more referring to the "potion"/drink/food that would allow vampires to look like human. I am not ZOS, but from their perspective it's not necessary.

Unless they would want to add some dose of "realism" and e..g make NPCs act unfriendly towards vampires at stage 3/4. ... but this will never happen.

Verbal_Earthworm · December 2017

*Waves Hands*

"This is not the vampire game you are looking for..."

preevious · December 2017

Ah, ok, my bad, I misunderstood.

But one would think, that, in their point of view, a skin is fairly easy to implement and will bring the shinies via the crown store ... and a lot.

Actually, the more I think about it ..the more I think that most people would be quite happy.

The vamps would obviously be happy to have the opportunity .. and the non vamps will get to see a lot less vampires roaming around, since they'll look like normal folks - and that's good for the suspension of disbelief, they'll be happy.

On the other hand, that would not remove anything from anyone.. so, nobody would be unhappy.

A win-win, actually.

Highlor3 · December 2017

duendology wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Well, I'm not so sure about that .. since vampire skin is just kind of applied above the normal skin, adding an invisible skin instead would just remove it and show the normal skin ... assumed of course that any skin you adorn replace the vampire skin, wich must be the case since when you are cured you get back your original skin.. it's thus retained and just covered.
(that's how I would have went about coding that, actually).

I was more referring to the "potion"/drink/food that would allow vampires to look like human. I am not ZOS, but from their perspective it's not necessary. Unless they would want to add some dose of "realism" and e..g make NPCs act unfriendly towards vampires at stage 3/4. ... but this will never happen.

My drink suggestion was an option in case ZOS decided to make something like your suggestion (vamps at stage 3/4 and werewolves receiving bounty if the cross path with guards or citizens).

My issue with threads like this is that vampire players want it all, having the power but no appearance drawback. Maybe this happens because a lot of players here never played TES games before, or used mods to hide their vampiric complexion.
Vampires are undead creatures, and 95% of them in TES games doesn't look like a normal living being, even at stage 1.
Being a vampire/werewolf is optional.

Heka Cain · December 2017

Hello, all.

Now, I realize that it may have already been discussed, but I thought...

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the vampirel appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover normal skin, thus allowing normals to escape their ugly compexion.

I, for one is a moron and would totally buy this, should it end up in crown store.
What does the community think coz am useles at finkin?
Would it be a plus?

Cheers !

Runschei · December 2017

Oh I love this debate. It's lorefriendly so I don't get why people are against it. It's not even one of the downsides of being a vampire

Nelson_Rebel · December 2017

Highlor3 wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Well, I'm not so sure about that .. since vampire skin is just kind of applied above the normal skin, adding an invisible skin instead would just remove it and show the normal skin ... assumed of course that any skin you adorn replace the vampire skin, wich must be the case since when you are cured you get back your original skin.. it's thus retained and just covered.
(that's how I would have went about coding that, actually).

I was more referring to the "potion"/drink/food that would allow vampires to look like human. I am not ZOS, but from their perspective it's not necessary. Unless they would want to add some dose of "realism" and e..g make NPCs act unfriendly towards vampires at stage 3/4. ... but this will never happen.

My drink suggestion was an option in case ZOS decided to make something like your suggestion (vamps at stage 3/4 and werewolves receiving bounty if the cross path with guards or citizens).

My issue with threads like this is that vampire players want it all, having the power but no appearance drawback. Maybe this happens because a lot of players here never played TES games before, or used mods to hide their vampiric complexion.
Vampires are undead creatures, and 95% of them in TES games doesn't look like a normal living being, even at stage 1.
Being a vampire/werewolf is optional.

So you’re saying that in all the elder scrolls games Illusion magic didn’t exist huh?

As if by MAGIC they couldn’t disguise them self huh?

As if they Couldn’t ENCHANT items to have an effect to hide their appearance huh?

Damn that all just sounds wayyyyyyyyy to far fetched in Tamriel huh bud.

FYI

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

So everyone here is saying in a world of incredible MAGIC we cannot have this? As a
lore friendly skin disguise conjured by magic?

I mean if Razum Dar in the Aldmeri Dominions questline can put on a freaking earing on to look like the queen through magical Means, then there is LITERALLY no reason not to have a skin disguise to cover vampirism.

It’s magic you try hards, we can have anything explained by it. There are even SEVERAL examples of NPC’s in quests who use magic to disguise themselves. Another one would the the Deadric Hound in the Vvardenfell questline who disguised himself as Vivec’s assistant.

I mean by the Three. Why do you all want to limit players options? Do you have a personal problem with other people having an enjoyable gameplay? I even gave ingame examples of similar effects.

bloodthirstyvampire · December 2017

What is this blasphemy do you think your vampirism a shame a curse, if no then why would you want to hide such an amazing gift you got from the blood matron her self, if yes your dead to me.

PS4_ZeColmeia · December 2017

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

After trying werewolf to get the achievements. It's broken, and needs fixing. You can't "live" in WW form which is wrong. I think it should be very easy to do that.

I'm totally for the skin because I love my vamp and some other cosmetics look worse (or better) with the skin. I don't think things we buy for crowns should be altered by the vamp skin. So being able to hide it would be awesome. I think it should be by being in stage 1.

Then it's like werewolf, you get the stam regen if you slot the ultimate, you get 3 skills as a vamp, but all of the other benefits don't exist if you're not in "form". Like werewolf you don't get to see your character the same way while in form.

Just mod stage 1 to be no difference. Maybe veins or something but keep it light.

Mgghool · December 2017

Starved vampire should be hideous. Get over it.
Or there can be a active skill in vampire line. It must be sloted to work and it is toggle to grant vampire normal look and while active magicka would be lowered by 10%. And even better if someone is in advanced stage of vampirism and is not camouflaged, guards should attack on sight and npc should refuse to talk and interact. That would be much more appropriate.

preevious · December 2017

I'm not adverse to a slotted debuff skill as well.

But what's really gets me is that there is already a lot of skins, each one uglier than the last .. and yet, if people want to wear them, well .. I'm totally cool with that.
There is also a few polymorphs, each one uglier than the last .. and yet, if people want to use them, well .. I'm totally cool with that.
There is also a few questionable costume choices, each one uglier than the last .. and yet, if people want to wear them, well .. I'm totally cool with that.

I will not think ill of those people because they look the way they want to look.
Heck, there is no right way of playing the game.

But suddenly, if a vampire wants to look normal, then he is an entitled buffoon?
We also want to look the way we want, is all.
Really, guys, get ahold of yourselves ..

I'll add that the game has a cash shop full of vanity items .. this is just exactly the same, so .. come on, what's the big deal?
What do you guy lose by letting us play as we want?

MourncallerTV · December 2017

I'm very new to ESO. I just got my main vamp char to champ and acquiring cp's. I'm a vamp fan in general even outside the game. I'm also what is called a "deriver". The "Vamp Skin" issue will soon be explained.

I have skillsets as a hobby of interest and have learned things. It's why I am speaking on this subject.

Realistically, the lighter your skin is the darker your tattoes will be for example; the more visible they are. I know, because I have some. The Darker you skin is the harder it is to see the tattoes. This is a reality.

So what's the issue with the skin? Well that's just it it's a "skin Mesh" that hasn't been created as a layerable. The skin mesh always usually overides the "tattoes" if it isn't made layerable. The Afflictian of the vampire stages in general is on a time stage skin change make up. The code simply wasn't put in for the skin to be layerable for example with any of the tattoes you can buy off the eso store.

I know this because I have a vamp 10 stage 4, and bought the tattoes for my vamp but alas. To my realization it's not layerable as I would have hoped it to be. But that's ok no loss, can use it for another char.

Further more in any genre of vamp lit; you can learn for yourself that tattoes are not affected to that extreme.

Now when it comes to the prettiness of the skin, you can fix that buy simply feeding. Consider doing that once you have reached Vamp ten. Besides, your skin complection shouldn't be much of an issue unless you want to run around in a bikini outfit.

The approach is realistic in the vamp stage only for skin complection. A good example of this would be the last interview with vamp movie. The guy was under fed, and he looked hideous, That changed quickly as soon as he got a good meal. Food for though.

Tip: keep the disguises you get on quest, you can reuse them if you are bothered that much by the complextion. ;p
ps: not really bothered by it. I keep my outfits on usually.