Skins and vampires

preevious

Hello, all.

Now, I realize that it may have already been discussed, but I thought...

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion.

I, for one, would totally buy this, should it end up in crown store.
What does the community think?
Would it be a plus?

Cheers !

Verbal_Earthworm

preevious wrote: »

Hello, all.

Now, I realize that it may have already been discussed, but I thought...

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion.

I, for one, would totally buy this, should it end up in crown store.
What does the community think?
Would it be a plus?

Cheers !

It has been discussed overmuch actually

"pick a thread, any thread..."

paulsimonps

There are A LOT of threads regarding this issue.

Ostacia

I would totally buy a skin to cover my female vampire's vampirism - she looks hideous! My male vampire looks handsomer! Go figure!

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

preevious wrote: »

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion

Why would you want it?

Let's face it, you decided to be a vampire, knowing this was a side effect. Still, unlike the series, you are not hunted for being a vampire. It's just vanity. If you are not happy with the way you look, and yes, you look awful, get cured.

A skin to get disguised would make sense if abominations like vampires could get hunted.

maniac4maniac

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion

Why would you want it?

Let's face it, you decided to be a vampire, knowing this was a side effect. Still, unlike the series, you are not hunted for being a vampire. It's just vanity. If you are not happy with the way you look, and yes, you look awful, get cured.

A skin to get disguised would make sense if abominations like vampires could get hunted.

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

I don't see a problem if there was such skin. DOn't use it if you like your vampire look. ~70% would use it, probably more depending on how many topics there are and how often does this question appear, but ZoS are slow AF as always with implementing good ideas.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

this again... "Those who cannot pay the price of power shall die the same way lambs die in the slaughterhouse"

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

maniac4maniac wrote: »

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

...and you can't bear the burden of looking as ugly as f for this? We are talking vanity here, not having the screen upside down or taking constant heavy damage during the day.

maniac4maniac

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

maniac4maniac wrote: »

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

...and you can't bear the burden of looking as ugly as f for this? We are talking vanity here, not having the screen upside down or taking constant heavy damage during the day.

So what's YOUR problem here?

duendology

In most of vampire literature a starving vampire looks horrible.... a fed one a maybe a bit better
then we got Anne Rice's "pretty faces" (still, they look ugly when starving)

In Folklore ANY vampire looks like an animated dead...a zombie really.

And then we got.... Twilight...

I don't mind the "ugly" look of the ESO vampires

preevious

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion

Why would you want it?

Let's face it, you decided to be a vampire, knowing this was a side effect. Still, unlike the series, you are not hunted for being a vampire. It's just vanity. If you are not happy with the way you look, and yes, you look awful, get cured.

A skin to get disguised would make sense if abominations like vampires could get hunted.

Meh .. congratulation on having probably the worst reaction one could have

I would want it because..

1/ Yeah, frankly we look awfull
2/ Canonically, vampires can totally blend in mortal society. Suspension of disbelief is damaged when npc are cordial to me when I'm obviously looking like an undead.
3/ Yeah, I get it, I'm a bad, bad vampire munchkin, with a lot of strenght ..and a lot of weaknesses, too. That ugly look is uncalled for and a bit too much.

duendology

preevious wrote: »

1/ Yeah, frankly we look awfull
2/ Canonically, vampires can totally blend in mortal society. Suspension of disbelief is damaged when npc are cordial to me when I'm obviously looking like an undead.

You're a vampire.......an "awful" creature. Unless we all romanticize them to death (pale-skinned -catwalk model fashionista with preferably existential crisis to give him/her "some" depth) in this Post-Twilight era. Ehh..

Canonically, I'd argue with this. This blending in society idea is, well.... postmodern. The have always looked weird enough to make everyone uneasy...even in Anne Rice's books... all vampires, only when really well fed, look somewhat "human" still their skin is marble like and nails look like glass.

Well, it's Tamriel... Dwellers of this world are already used to all forms of the weird.

One of my characters is a vampire.. and hey I kill other vampires and bloodfiends... supposedly my kin..and hey, I even get money for it

So...

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

preevious wrote: »

Meh .. congratulation on having probably the worst reaction one could have
I would want it because..
1/ Yeah, frankly we look awfull
2/ Canonically, vampires can totally blend in mortal society. Suspension of disbelief is damaged when npc are cordial to me when I'm obviously looking like an undead.
3/ Yeah, I get it, I'm a bad, bad vampire munchkin, with a lot of strenght ..and a lot of weaknesses, too. That ugly look is uncalled for and a bit too much.

So to make it short you want all the skills and passives plus look like Robert Pattison?
Anything else? Maybe the Daggerfall Overlook included in the welcome to vampirism package?

preevious

Well @duendology, Canonically, there is a few exemple, throughout the games, of vampires blending in ... and the games are as canon as they go. Actually, I would consider that nothing is more canon than the games. Anyway, I thank you for a sensible approach.

And yeah, @jaschacasadiob16_ESO .. exageration is a nice way to argue and try to void the concern of others .. good job.
I'm not asking for the Daggerfall Overlook, mind you, nor do I wish to look like Robert Pattison.
Frankly, I was waiting for some argument, not for that kind of childlike and insulting nonsense. Yeah, silly me, I'm asking for something that would not be of any use to you .. what was I thinking?

Nelson_Rebel

So everyone here is saying in a world of incredible MAGIC we cannot have this? As a
lore friendly skin disguise conjured by magic?


I mean if Razum Dar in the Aldmeri Dominions questline can put on a freaking earing on to look like the queen through magical Means, then there is LITERALLY no reason not to have a skin disguise to cover vampirism.


It’s magic you try hards, we can have anything explained by it. There are even SEVERAL examples of NPC’s in quests who use magic to disguise themselves. Another one would the the Deadric Hound in the Vvardenfell questline who disguised himself as Vivec’s assistant.


I mean by the Three. Why do you all want to limit players options? Do you have a personal problem with other people having an enjoyable gameplay? I even gave ingame examples of similar effects.

Elusiin

Let us pray to Sheogorath, and perhaps he will grant us the beautiful fur coat of a skeever... Honestly anything would look better...

Omnia

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

There is LITERALLY no reason not to have a skin disguise to cover vampirism.

AND, there is LITERALLY a reason they should have a skin to disguise vampirism...it's call Glamour. I mean, who hasn't heard of vampires using their glamour to lure in the unsuspecting prey?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamour_(presentation)

Glamour skin in the CS, yes please!

Thealteregoroman

In the words of the great @Apache_Kid, It's never going to happen. Never ever forever. I promise.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

coop500

Ugh this again... *flips next page*

Highlor3

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

Lokryn

I don't mind the way Vampires look other than the fact that they don't have fangs. Please give us fangs!

ookami007

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion

Why would you want it?

Let's face it, you decided to be a vampire, knowing this was a side effect. Still, unlike the series, you are not hunted for being a vampire. It's just vanity. If you are not happy with the way you look, and yes, you look awful, get cured.

A skin to get disguised would make sense if abominations like vampires could get hunted.

Exactly... it's not like there is magic in Tamriel that can create illusions, or any reason a vampire might want to hide his appearance.... oh wait... yes on both of those.

coop500

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

Agreed, vampires whine too much, us werewolves put up with a lot of actual problems, abuse and general crap from the creators of the game and the community as a whole.

Everyone wants a vampire on their trial team, while the same people will shun and kick a WW out of the group if they turn.

Nelson_Rebel

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

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Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

So everyone here is saying in a world of incredible MAGIC we cannot have this? As a
lore friendly skin disguise conjured by magic?


I mean if Razum Dar in the Aldmeri Dominions questline can put on a freaking earing on to look like the queen through magical Means, then there is LITERALLY no reason not to have a skin disguise to cover vampirism.


It’s magic you try hards, we can have anything explained by it. There are even SEVERAL examples of NPC’s in quests who use magic to disguise themselves. Another one would the the Deadric Hound in the Vvardenfell questline who disguised himself as Vivec’s assistant.


I mean by the Three. Why do you all want to limit players options? Do you have a personal problem with other people having an enjoyable gameplay? I even gave ingame examples of similar effects.

DocFrost72

Highlor3 wrote: »

"The vampires of Tamriel are undead, diseased persons who are hated, hunted, and misunderstood by the living."

"Vampires look distinctly different from unaffected persons; their faces, which cover their fangs, are unusually pale, and the eyes of some breeds of hungry vampires turn blood-red until their thirst is sated."

Source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Vampirism in The Elder Scrolls series have it's own cannon. People want to have it, to enjoy all of it's powers that come with the later stages, only possible to achieve by starvation, and don't look like a monster?!

Werewolves in ESO also have their own weaknesses. They have to use the ultimate slot to have some (only) Stamina regeneration, and for it's transformation (the ultimate cost is high!). The goodies only come when they turn, and their transformation has a timer that can be only extended (with passives) by eating corpses or running with a pack.

I haven't seen people that play as werewolves creating threads to complain as often as vampire players have. And vampires' "problem" is only their appearance.

Don't like it?! Get cured!
It costs around 700g. Oh, don't forget to respec before, so you don't lose those skill points that invested in it's skill line.

EDIT: Typos.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Immortal_Blood

Count Verandis.
Elsenia of shademist moors (and the one she is saved by, if you pick that ending).

The point is if you're well fed, you trade raw power for subterfuge in TES. If you're going to use lore, don't cherry pick.

My proposal? At stage one you look human. At stage four, or if you are seen in WW form in town, you get the same heat and bounty as a murder. Let's bring things back to TES pls.

preevious

Well .. I didn't realize that post would cause such ressentment..
To answer a few concerns :

1/ No, vampire players do not "whine". Saying so is a poor mind's argument, and is at best a (poorly crafted) ad hominem attack when one is out of argument. Vampire players want to play something they enjoy, and something they find nice to look at (be it a blood-thirsty lizard, a tusky orc, or a nice-looking elven chap) .

2/ "GnaGna don't like it, get cured !". Again, it's pitiful at best, worrysome at worst. People play as vampire for a myriad of reasons. Some like the rugged looks, some don't. Some are trying to maximize in a specialty, some are just roleplaying. The thing is: I fail to see how people saying that would be impacted by such a skin., because that would be a counter-argument I was looking for, when I made this post.

3/"Want all the passives, and not the drawback? Think of the balance !" : well .. that, at least, is an argument. Thanks. But I'll say that vampire have gameplay strenghs (increased mag recovery, more resistance when nearing death, a resistance to disease (not sure about tat one, but I think)) . We also have gameplay weaknesses (decreased health recovery and a fire vulnerability (and in this game, npc uses fire constently .. yet, no one is complaining about that). The vampire look is a non-gameplay weakness that has nothing to do there.


Please, consider the vampire players as fellow human beings, and don't assume or dismisse their arguments saying they "whine' .. in the end, you'll be better human beings yourself.

idk

preevious wrote: »

Hello, all.

Now, I realize that it may have already been discussed, but I thought...

Since there's skins obtainable that one can adorn, why not having a skin that would give the normal appearance.
That would be useless to most player, but I would cover vampire skin, thus allowing vampires to escape their ugly compexion!

The skins hare a specific appearance. Basically, your skin tone would be that of the skin, not what you rolled when creating the character.

Thannazzar

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Meh .. congratulation on having probably the worst reaction one could have
I would want it because..
1/ Yeah, frankly we look awfull
2/ Canonically, vampires can totally blend in mortal society. Suspension of disbelief is damaged when npc are cordial to me when I'm obviously looking like an undead.
3/ Yeah, I get it, I'm a bad, bad vampire munchkin, with a lot of strenght ..and a lot of weaknesses, too. That ugly look is uncalled for and a bit too much.

So to make it short you want all the skills and passives plus look like Robert Pattison?
Anything else? Maybe the Daggerfall Overlook included in the welcome to vampirism package?

Pattinson? I thought he was asking for a vampire skind to remove the ugly undead look not compound it!

ThePrinceOfBargains

I only want this to be implemented if:
1. You retain some vampiric traits with the disguise, such as red eyes.
Or
2. You lose the disguise in combat. None of that free stat boost crap. Vampirism was not included so you could get a stat boost. Either be a vampire or don’t. Supernatural Recovery is not a game changer, and anyone that says it is doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

kargen27

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

maniac4maniac wrote: »

10% regen, passives, skills, etc. I thought it was obvious, no?

...and you can't bear the burden of looking as ugly as f for this? We are talking vanity here, not having the screen upside down or taking constant heavy damage during the day.

Kinda like all the mounts, costumes, personalities, dyes, skins, hair styles, tattoos and hats? Oh and pets.

And if they can't/won't give vampires this at the very least they could make it so the tattoos are not all washed out.