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    When I'm tired of running from keep to keep defending or taking and my raid isn't running, I'll settle down for a nice round of zerg surfing between Chalman and Bleakers (or Bleakers and Aleswell). I can't tell which side has the best disorganized zerg.

    Is it DC who breaks on Chalman's walls like a blue tide only to be driven off by siege and retreat en masse to the mine and mile gate where they get hunting down like rabbits?

    Or is it EP who runs helter skelter to Bleakers, foaming at the mouth with the thought of victory only to realize that nobody bought siege weapons and all we have to hit the walls are light attacks until we get wiped by DC?

    And then the cycle continues...
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<
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  • Prince_of_all_Pugs
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    lol there is so much zerging on all 3 sides, its hard to tell who is zerging who's zerg.
  • Anazasi
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<

    Really I wish your 1vx mentality was just as transparent.
  • Anazasi
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    When I'm tired of running from keep to keep defending or taking and my raid isn't running, I'll settle down for a nice round of zerg surfing between Chalman and Bleakers (or Bleakers and Aleswell). I can't tell which side has the best disorganized zerg.

    Is it DC who breaks on Chalman's walls like a blue tide only to be driven off by siege and retreat en masse to the mine and mile gate where they get hunting down like rabbits?

    Or is it EP who runs helter skelter to Bleakers, foaming at the mouth with the thought of victory only to realize that nobody bought siege weapons and all we have to hit the walls are light attacks until we get wiped by DC?

    And then the cycle continues...

    That Chalman Alswell corridor is REAL.
  • ToRelax
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<

    Really I wish your 1vx mentality was just as transparent.

    You shouldn't need to play solo in order to realize spamming Wall of Elements is a bad idea.
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  • ku5h
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    So, zerger got zerged by more ppl and now salty, lol.
    Btw, how can you play with UI filled with so many addons, it looks absurd.
    Also, that techno or whatever remix of GoT theme song is blasphemy.
    But, I bet you'r a very nice person in RL, not to be all negative.
  • montiferus
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    Derra wrote: »
    I can´t even tell if the group showcased or the DC killed in the first engagement have the numerical advantage.

    Pathetic. All zerglings.

    Agreed.

  • Anazasi
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<

    Really I wish your 1vx mentality was just as transparent.

    You shouldn't need to play solo in order to realize spamming Wall of Elements is a bad idea.

    This doesn't really make any sense to me. Maybe you just don't understand game mechanics.
  • Anazasi
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    ku5h wrote: »
    So, zerger got zerged by more ppl and now salty, lol.
    Btw, how can you play with UI filled with so many addons, it looks absurd.
    Also, that techno or whatever remix of GoT theme song is blasphemy.
    But, I bet you'r a very nice person in RL, not to be all negative.

    How is playing group play in world PVP making me a ZERGER? Is someone a solo player trying to prove something?
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  • ToRelax
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<

    Really I wish your 1vx mentality was just as transparent.

    You shouldn't need to play solo in order to realize spamming Wall of Elements is a bad idea.

    This doesn't really make any sense to me. Maybe you just don't understand game mechanics.

    Well, that doesn't mean a whole lot, coming from you. :smirk:
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  • pzschrek
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    Rin_Senya wrote: »
    ummmm.... tbh I was expecting to see something like this:

    DC zerg at your video is not even big tbh xD it can be worse at prime time... like for example multiple AD guilds zergsurfing their faction pugs every single day at Brk :trollface:

    This ^ lol

    Yeah. You're not wrong Anasazi. But I'm sure you can find a more overwhelming example. :smile:

    Everyone zergs sometimes, maybe even a lot of the time. We have an old saw describing fighting in Vivec: "You have to either fight NONE of them or ALL of them."

    But having played all factions, I have to say nobody puts the entire faction from noob pugs all the way to organized guilds in one place as consistently or effectively as DC. I'm jealous.
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  • Glory
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    CyrusArya wrote: »
    A new take on Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe. Barbarians overrunning the greatness that was once Rome. Though Gibbon does blame internal rot and the loss of civic duty as a primary reason for the barbarian takeover, so considering AD, maybe there's something to it :wink:

    Oh duh. He is referring to the Aldmeri Queen not the British Monarch. I’m dumb. My AD days are so foregone, I forgot that they do that.

    Still, it’s quite amusing to see AD accuse others of zerging and horde behavior. Let alone a rep from Dominion Knights, lol.

    Lol since i posted this thread as a laugh for Tuesday morning, I'm going to shrug this one off as it's not even worth the trouble. But it's ok I know I zerg with my 16 to 24 man group. But DC now that's a whole other story. If only there was a DC guild that could fight like Dominion knights without having to bring so many others along. Well at least I'm loyal and honest wonder how far that will carry me.

    But all I saw you do in the video was randomly spamming AoE skills and light attacking the air... <_<

    Honestly after watching videos with this kind of perspective I'm impressed that most large groups get anything done. It's quite impressive that numbers alone account for the fact that you connect maybe 30% of your hits and don't even have a real enemy target in mind when you're casting your skills :D
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  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    pzschrek wrote: »
    Rin_Senya wrote: »
    ummmm.... tbh I was expecting to see something like this:

    DC zerg at your video is not even big tbh xD it can be worse at prime time... like for example multiple AD guilds zergsurfing their faction pugs every single day at Brk :trollface:

    This ^ lol

    Yeah. You're not wrong Anasazi. But I'm sure you can find a more overwhelming example. :smile:

    Everyone zergs sometimes, maybe even a lot of the time. We have an old saw describing fighting in Vivec: "You have to either fight NONE of them or ALL of them."

    But having played all factions, I have to say nobody puts the entire faction from noob pugs all the way to organized guilds in one place as consistently or effectively as DC. I'm jealous.

    With DC it's pretty consistent that you're either fighting one of them or all of them.
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  • Anazasi
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    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    You'd want lightning wall for concussion to proc off-balance.
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  • Anazasi
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    You'd want lightning wall for concussion to proc off-balance.

    Yes i know that......
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    You'd want lightning wall for concussion to proc off-balance.

    Yes i know that......

    Lol then why the fire staff?

    I love these videos. It cracks me up to see Zerg on Zerg crime.

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    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    It could also be that spamming (not just keeping up) WoE when there aren't any enemies to hit and depleting your resources is a bad idea. Along with that you were randomly using Talons/Fiery Breath whenever you actually had magicka to cast them (honestly, the resource management is kind of impressive in just how bad it is) and when in a bulk of enemies you spam Deep Breath even when there is nothing to interrupt.
    It is kind of cute how sure you are about your knowledge and abilities though. :blush:
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    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    It could also be that spamming (not just keeping up) WoE when there aren't any enemies to hit and depleting your resources is a bad idea. Along with that you were randomly using Talons/Fiery Breath whenever you actually had magicka to cast them (honestly, the resource management is kind of impressive in just how bad it is) and when in a bulk of enemies you spam Deep Breath even when there is nothing to interrupt.
    It is kind of cute how sure you are about your knowledge and abilities though. :blush:

    It's really cool how you are able to micro focus on what I am doing, However when leading a group watching everything going on around me and the group I tend to not focus as much as what i am doing rather what the group is and where the enemy targets are. What it sounds like to me is you have the A-typical PVP tunnel focus issue. You become so hyper-sensitive to what you are actually trying to kill that you don't see the rest of the fight evolving around you. I knew a person like that once character was Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with but when he got that tunnel vision forget it may as well pretended he was dead because his group contribution went to 0. But no worries we are all different people with different strengths and weaknesses in game. We all do it our way and don't need to offer explanations for how we do it. Guess i'm lucky you happen to be on the EU server right.
  • Prince_of_all_Pugs
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    ku5h wrote: »
    So, zerger got zerged by more ppl and now salty, lol.
    Btw, how can you play with UI filled with so many addons, it looks absurd.
    Also, that techno or whatever remix of GoT theme song is blasphemy.
    But, I bet you'r a very nice person in RL, not to be all negative.

    How is playing group play in world PVP making me a ZERGER? Is someone a solo player trying to prove something?

    No T, playing with a 20 man that surfs other zergs makes you a ZERGER, and you do that ALL THE TIME.
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    It's possible that I'm just light and heavy attacking because I tend to forget. It's also possible that spamming elemental blockade allows the escapist poison to proc constantly locking players down and give me immovable. It could be elemental damage has less defenses than physical or magic damage. It could be off balance cp passive set ups for targets to run through. Of course I could be wrong about everything.

    It could also be that spamming (not just keeping up) WoE when there aren't any enemies to hit and depleting your resources is a bad idea. Along with that you were randomly using Talons/Fiery Breath whenever you actually had magicka to cast them (honestly, the resource management is kind of impressive in just how bad it is) and when in a bulk of enemies you spam Deep Breath even when there is nothing to interrupt.
    It is kind of cute how sure you are about your knowledge and abilities though. :blush:

    It's really cool how you are able to micro focus on what I am doing, However when leading a group watching everything going on around me and the group I tend to not focus as much as what i am doing rather what the group is and where the enemy targets are. What it sounds like to me is you have the A-typical PVP tunnel focus issue. You become so hyper-sensitive to what you are actually trying to kill that you don't see the rest of the fight evolving around you. I knew a person like that once character was Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with but when he got that tunnel vision forget it may as well pretended he was dead because his group contribution went to 0. But no worries we are all different people with different strengths and weaknesses in game. We all do it our way and don't need to offer explanations for how we do it. Guess i'm lucky you happen to be on the EU server right.

    Uhm, no. I can attest that it takes a lot of situational awareness to both successfully lead a group/contribute to it and play well yourself, but that is no excuse to neglect either of them.
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  • Anazasi
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    ku5h wrote: »
    So, zerger got zerged by more ppl and now salty, lol.
    Btw, how can you play with UI filled with so many addons, it looks absurd.
    Also, that techno or whatever remix of GoT theme song is blasphemy.
    But, I bet you'r a very nice person in RL, not to be all negative.

    How is playing group play in world PVP making me a ZERGER? Is someone a solo player trying to prove something?

    No T, playing with a 20 man that surfs other zergs makes you a ZERGER, and you do that ALL THE TIME.

    I have over 100 videos on youtube showing the exact opposite of that. Your impression is wrong. I have spent years laughing at this and frankly it's gotten very old. Does this mean you won't find my group at the same objective as another group? Yes, AD does not communicate and it happens. Does this mean others do not surf along with my group? No sadly enough players always surf. You can however tell my group apart from others we require tabards when in raid. So you can continue to perpetuate this lie, but the fact is the we don't do it intentionally and for you to say this means you simply are not knowledgeable enough about the campaign we play on. Aren't you on some other campaign most of the time? So how can you offer any insight as to how my group runs. Please do not respond. Arguing with you is the last thing i want to do on a sunday morning.
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    Anazasi wrote: »
    Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with

    wut
    Edited by Kilandros on December 10, 2017 4:42PM
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with

    wut

    I miss the rage tells telling me to kms. I'm sure my friends fondly remember him telling them their parents should die in a car crash too. Ahh, what a great guy!
    Edited by DisgracefulMind on December 11, 2017 4:42AM
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with

    wut

    I miss the rage tells telling me to kms. I'm sure my friends fondly remember him telling them their parents should die in a car crash too. Ahh, what a great guy!

    That is really awful and he deserved to be banned for it. But believe it or not, some of the players you've played with have probably said some really inappropriate things too.

    Before he was banned, I was in some groups with Sarenvog and he was actually really nice and very endearing. He obviously had some kind of rage issue. I don't condone that, but my point is it is possible for someone to be legitimately nice and also say terrible things occasionally.
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with

    wut

    I miss the rage tells telling me to kms. I'm sure my friends fondly remember him telling them their parents should die in a car crash too. Ahh, what a great guy!
    Did this just become a #FreeSarenvog thread? I think it just became a #FreeSarenvog thread.
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Anazasi wrote: »
    Sarenvog. Great guy, fun to play with

    wut

    I miss the rage tells telling me to kms. I'm sure my friends fondly remember him telling them their parents should die in a car crash too. Ahh, what a great guy!
    Did this just become a #FreeSarenvog thread? I think it just became a #FreeSarenvog thread.

    I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT
    Unfortunate magicka warden main.
    PC/NA Server
    Fairweather Friends
    Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.
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