@Oceanic Players

Yvarhna · December 2017

Coming back to this game, I'd forgotten how terrible our ping is. Most of the time I sit around 320ms. On good days around 250-260ms but that's rare, and it can sometimes shoot to 1000ms if in cities. It's a bit of a concern as I really want to get into doing Vet Dungeons etc but with our lag being so bad I'm a little worried about it. It would mean we have less of a reaction time to mechanics that can one shot you.

How do you guys cope with this?

Sixty5 · December 2017

NZ player here, tend to sit at around 250ish ping.

Basically, you just gotta thing half a second into the future.

If you see a red circle of death appear, you need to be outside of it half a second before it goes off, rather than as it happens. Likewise you need to get used to blocking early, and holding that block.

Additionally, don't try to light weave, the game will just eat your imputs and make you spasm uselessly, slow it down with medium attacks in between abilities. Yes you will lose out on DPS compared to the optimal rotation/weave, but you'd lose out on more trying to do that yourself.

Above all though, you just need to learn your lag, and get a feel for the timings it will bring.

Yvarhna · December 2017

Sixty5 wrote: »

Additionally, don't try to light weave, the game will just eat your imputs and make you spasm uselessly, slow it down with medium attacks in between abilities. Yes you will lose out on DPS compared to the optimal rotation/weave, but you'd lose out on more trying to do that yourself..

I'm NZ based too. As a mag Sorc, I noticed in dungeons that my light weave isn't happening much at all, but when I sit on a target dummy I can make it work. I'll try medium weaves instead then I guess. Kind of sucks for us though, but then, we always seem to have to adjust to bad lag in games. Such is the life of an Oceanic player.

Sixty5 · December 2017

Yvarhna wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Additionally, don't try to light weave, the game will just eat your imputs and make you spasm uselessly, slow it down with medium attacks in between abilities. Yes you will lose out on DPS compared to the optimal rotation/weave, but you'd lose out on more trying to do that yourself..

I'm NZ based too. As a mag Sorc, I noticed in dungeons that my light weave isn't happening much at all, but when I sit on a target dummy I can make it work. I'll try medium weaves instead then I guess. Kind of sucks for us though, but then, we always seem to have to adjust to bad lag in games. Such is the life of an Oceanic player.

Mate of mine lived out in the country for a long time, and had to deal with 4-500 ping.

We just made him play tank, given that it's a less intensive role.

Also if available, get fiber internet, it is so much better.

Yvarhna · December 2017

I don't have fiber, but only because I share a driveway and the front house we can't track down the landlord who owns the place. I own my house, but the rules for having a shared driveway is so ***. I'm tempted to just fake his name

The ping might be the thing that breaks it for me, but I'll stick with it for now. See how well I can get my reaction times to pro status.

phairdon · December 2017

In the same region. High speed fiber connection. My pings rate fluctuates wildly at times. From 250 - 999. My ping was more stable when playing through adsl.
Not just our part of the world having trouble with high ping rates.

Nifty2g · December 2017

I have played since early access and don't notice it at all really, ping doesn't have much of an impact for MMO's as something like a shooter.
Using a VPN like wtfast will help reduce ping by a lot however, it wont bring you into the 100's but you'd likely be a low 200's depending what server you play on.

Yvarhna · December 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have played since early access and don't notice it at all really, ping doesn't have much of an impact for MMO's as something like a shooter.
Using a VPN like wtfast will help reduce ping by a lot however, it wont bring you into the 100's but you'd likely be a lot 200 depending what server you play on.

Thanks, I'll look into that.

Runefang · December 2017

Honestly it's not that bad, you will get annoyed from time to time when you've rolled out of the red and then you die a second later. But most of the time it's fine.

The only fight I really hate is Blessed Crucible HM, but other Aussies do fine there so its probably just a L2P issue.

disintegr8 · December 2017

I blame a lot of failure on my poor ping rate - even though I do admit to not being the best player and not having very fast reflexes (which I also blame on being old - but that's another story).

I know that our infrastructure and internet speeds definitely impact the games performance. It's hard to block a hit when by the time you see it and your reaction is played in game, you are dead. You may have been upright when you pressed a button but with slow internet and poor ping - that never stood a chance.

Yvarhna · December 2017

@disintegr8

I know what you mean. I was killing some spider WB in Morrowind yesterday and got suddenly stunned by something, (saw nothing on my screen), and somehow lost almost all my life even though nothing was near me, and when after breaking free from stun, went to put on shield, but of course, it was slow to respond and I died.

I just know I'm going to have to watch like a hawk anything red coming near me, kite adds like mad, and hope my reaction times are fast enough.

Slick_007 · December 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have played since early access and don't notice it at all really, ping doesn't have much of an impact for MMO's as something like a shooter.
Using a VPN like wtfast will help reduce ping by a lot however, it wont bring you into the 100's but you'd likely be a low 200's depending what server you play on.

vpns do not change the laws of physics. it may or may not make your routing slightly better depending on your isps chosen path to it vs the game server. but it definitely will take a detour depending on where the vpn endpoint is.

GlorphNoldorin · December 2017

I recently got fiber, it moved my ping from 330 to 300, then a week ago during vma my ping went to 380-400 and hasn't returned. That 80 ping makes so much difference for me. I wish wtfast would make a difference. To be honest anything in the 200's I would take in a heart beat but in rural Australia you have to accept connection will always be trouble

Undefwun · December 2017

Sydney, Australia.

On ADSL2 cos I am in a weird place to live.

233 ping is the best I get and I do usually got about 266 and stay under 300 during PvE content.
PvP is a mixed bag, but that seems to be the same regardless where you are from.

While ping itself often doesn't change it does seem like the more is going on, the more there seems to missing data. Packets being dropped. I gotta slow the weave down or I drop a lot of LAs which results in no Assassin's Will. So alot of DPS.

LordGavus · December 2017

My ping sits in the mid 300's so I know the feels.
My advice is learn the mechanics and fights well. You need to be more proactive than reactive.

Although we won't be setting any dps records you can still do ok. My average dps is in the low 20k, but I've cracked the 30k mark a few times recently.

You can still do get dungeons without too much hassle, you just need to accept you might die to an attack you never saw or die after you dodge out of red.

GlorphNoldorin · December 2017

Dungeons are fine on our ping (350-400). End game becomes more difficult. I can pull acceptable but not great dps in trials - 30-35k....but not 50ish which makes all the difference. The problem is not dieing...... for example being out of the red but still dieing to it. That places a large burden on your trial group and makes it difficult to get into good trial teams. In vma I would really like to see someone on 300+ ping post a video of a flawless run on a stam toon. I hear it possible but like to see if their experience is similar to mine.

Yvarhna · December 2017

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

Dungeons are fine on our ping (350-400). End game becomes more difficult. I can pull acceptable but not great dps in trials - 30-35k....but not 50ish which makes all the difference. The problem is not dieing...... for example being out of the red but still dieing to it. That places a large burden on your trial group and makes it difficult to get into good trial teams. In vma I would really like to see someone on 300+ ping post a video of a flawless run on a stam toon. I hear it possible but like to see if their experience is similar to mine.

This right here is what frustrates me the most. On my screen I'm out of the red, when actually I'm not. There is nothing worse than dieing to something you just know could have been avoided, yet despite your efforts, you die anyway.

Goshua · December 2017

I cope by playing less. Playing a few beta's of other games and having fun.
I hang between 250-350ms in ESO which is playable, until it matters, like I'm in a group.
Some days its a 900ms > Disconnect fest, and ain't nobody got time for dat

CiliPadi · December 2017

On PC:

300ms to 999ms

The game is now login, train mounts, research, collect materials and logoff. I love the game, but the frequent disconnections and lag makes it not enjoyable.

I hope ZOS would consider an Oceanic server!

Bhaal5 · December 2017

Yvarhna wrote: »

Coming back to this game, I'd forgotten how terrible our ping is. Most of the time I sit around 320ms. On good days around 250-260ms but that's rare, and it can sometimes shoot to 1000ms if in cities. It's a bit of a concern as I really want to get into doing Vet Dungeons etc but with our lag being so bad I'm a little worried about it. It would mean we have less of a reaction time to mechanics that can one shot you.

How do you guys cope with this?

What platform you on mate?

Australia here and run a oceanic guild on ps4/NA. Most players in the guild, when running pvp or trials tether of their phones to bypast some of the data packet routes (which helps).

Other than that, beer........lots and lots of beer to make the pain go away

Narvuntien · December 2017

I really should start a PVP guild for lagged out players.
300 ms behind.... three steps ahead.

The thing about PVP is everyone is kind of lagged in the huge battles, so somehow you can actually help in those choatic melees. Still I avoid the big battles so I actually have some control and play some enjoyable PVDoor and be the target dummy for the enemy players. If you die it matters less than revealing the enemy players.

You can get 35K dps???? how? I keep double casting all my skills so I run out of magicka and I am forced to heavy attack... but then I lag out on the heavy attack and get stuck in the heavy attack animation. Playing Nightblades in PVE is pretty much impossible, because you need to hit every light attack.

Vapirko · December 2017

Try Mudfish vpn. It should cut down the number of jumps from you to zos.

Syrusthevirus187 · December 2017

NZ player here. Ps4NA
It is what it is.
We're pretty much playing in a different world to the players in the U.S. If we can accept that, then we can be less frustrated about dying in late laggy red, light attacks not connecting, skills and potions not working in PvP even tho the sound is there. And we wait til a better game comes out.

TheDarkShadow · December 2017

With ping around 300 and not stable (keep jumping from ~250 to ~350 sometime 999+), it's really hard to weave light attack, so I'd suggest class that do heavy attack weave, usually stam dps.

For healer role, pick a class that rely on HoT like NB, pick skills like mutagen over rapid regen. Because it can take over 1s from the time your group mates get hit, you see their health bars drop, you react and press instant heal like Breath of Life, and your heal is applied to them. That is if you're lucky and don't have lag spike. With HoT ticking at least your group are still being healed while waiting for your Healing Ward or big Ult.

And I agree with someone above, tank probably the best role for our connection.

And just... don't get too serious in PvP

LadyLethalla · December 2017

PS4 EU.
In Melbourne's outer east but stuck on ADSL2 until at least 2019 and probably now 2020 sometime.
Fibre? I wish...

I am trying to finish VMA (stuck on the very last round) and while lag does kill me more at certain times of the day, it's more that my reflexes aren't that good either. (And L2P.) So I usually stop playing about then. But trying to do something like a pledge dungeon instead, I find harder as they lag more than in VMA.

MattT1988 · December 2017

Yep, vet trials is a pipe dream for me due to the lag. Very disappointing.

Nifty2g · December 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have played since early access and don't notice it at all really, ping doesn't have much of an impact for MMO's as something like a shooter.
Using a VPN like wtfast will help reduce ping by a lot however, it wont bring you into the 100's but you'd likely be a low 200's depending what server you play on.

vpns do not change the laws of physics. it may or may not make your routing slightly better depending on your isps chosen path to it vs the game server. but it definitely will take a detour depending on where the vpn endpoint is.

on NA i go from 320 to around 260 with a vpn
on EU i go from 400+ to low 300's, lowest I got was 289. So yes, it does make a difference.

Stratti · December 2017

Tanked almost all Vet dungeons... never had an issue. .3 of a second is not that bad just need quick reaction times.

Slick_007 · December 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

on NA i go from 320 to around 260 with a vpn
on EU i go from 400+ to low 300's, lowest I got was 289. So yes, it does make a difference.

thats why i said it may or may not make your routing better. it is not a guarantee. it depends on the routing you have vs the vpn routing. and if your vpn endpoint is too far from the game server, it will make it worse.

Niobium · December 2017

If you play enough you start to recognize the animations before they start casting big red circles. You learn the mechanics. You know your rotations and what works for you. 300 ping isn't the end of the world and certainly isn't "make or break" for a game. I'd be far more concerned if the ping was continually spiking from 50-1000; steady ping at 300 is fine. There is nothing in game that requires you to be faster than a third of a second.

Nifty2g · December 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

on NA i go from 320 to around 260 with a vpn
on EU i go from 400+ to low 300's, lowest I got was 289. So yes, it does make a difference.

thats why i said it may or may not make your routing better. it is not a guarantee. it depends on the routing you have vs the vpn routing. and if your vpn endpoint is too far from the game server, it will make it worse.

You know you can set all that specifically for wtfast?

As for this topic and some of the replies, I disagree with most of them, I've seen some amazing Australian players. Hell there used to be a time when an Australian guild was one of the best on the NA server and in the world for PvE, there was even a few PvPers I know that have been amazing. Ping does not limit you at all in ESO.