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So, I thought I'd come to vent.
Morgha_Kul
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I had gone into the game thinking to get myself one of these event crate things, but I discovered to my disappointment that they're only for the GROUP dungeons, and only via the random dungeon finder.
Now, I never do those dungeons, because every time I do, they all end the same way. Team wipe after team wipe after team wipe. Bosses with attacks you can't avoid or block, but that will instantly oneshot you. Bosses with so much health that they take an hour to kill off IF you can manage to do it (usually after 20-30 wipes). In general, it's just not any fun, so I don't do them.
But, if I want to partake of the "event," I'm forced to do them, so I thought I'd give it a try again. After all, it's been a while since I last did one (before One Tamriel), so maybe things will be better?
So, I queued and entered a dungeon I'd not seen before. Some dungeon with Nords, Minotaurs and Fire Shalks. Of course, as usual the group was blitzing through as fast as possible, so I had no chance to read anything, or find loot, or look around for hidden things... but that really wasn't why I was there.
We battled through. Many of the fights were really hard, but we prevailed. Eventually, we came to a group of final bosses. Three of them, all ridiculously strong. We went in without a plan and wiped about 6 times. Finally, we got organized and went in properly and prevailed. I thought we were done, but no, there was "one" more boss, a magma atronach of some sort.
It proceeded to wipe the team over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over, with no end in sight. Every hit was oneshotting anyone it hit. Of course, there was also debris falling on our heads slowing and stunning us, guaranteeing we'd GET hit, so it oneshotted everyone over and over. As if that wasn't enough, it also conjured duplicates of itself, all of which were oneshotting everyone over and over and over.
After something like 200 wipes, I left. I hate to leave a group, but I'd been there nearly 6 hours being wiped over and over and over with no way to avoid or prevent it.
This is why I don't do these missions. They're stupidly difficult, and that was on NORMAL.
I'm especially disappointed because this is content, some of it quite spectacular, that I will NEVER do again. I wish they had made these a bit more reasonable at the "Normal" level. They could have made the current Normal level the "Veteran" level, and had a third "Elite" level that's the same as the current Veteran level. As it is, these missions are simply not accessible to more casual players, and I honestly don't see how less casual ones can even find these entertaining.
So, if there's a point to this, it's that there should be a lower difficulty level, at least on the bosses of these things. As it stands, they're too strong in pretty well every case I've seen.
1. Normal - New level, less powerful bosses.
2. Veteran - Same as current Normal level.
3. Elite - Same as current Veteran level.
Now, I never do those dungeons, because every time I do, they all end the same way. Team wipe after team wipe after team wipe. Bosses with attacks you can't avoid or block, but that will instantly oneshot you. Bosses with so much health that they take an hour to kill off IF you can manage to do it (usually after 20-30 wipes). In general, it's just not any fun, so I don't do them.
But, if I want to partake of the "event," I'm forced to do them, so I thought I'd give it a try again. After all, it's been a while since I last did one (before One Tamriel), so maybe things will be better?
So, I queued and entered a dungeon I'd not seen before. Some dungeon with Nords, Minotaurs and Fire Shalks. Of course, as usual the group was blitzing through as fast as possible, so I had no chance to read anything, or find loot, or look around for hidden things... but that really wasn't why I was there.
We battled through. Many of the fights were really hard, but we prevailed. Eventually, we came to a group of final bosses. Three of them, all ridiculously strong. We went in without a plan and wiped about 6 times. Finally, we got organized and went in properly and prevailed. I thought we were done, but no, there was "one" more boss, a magma atronach of some sort.
It proceeded to wipe the team over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over, with no end in sight. Every hit was oneshotting anyone it hit. Of course, there was also debris falling on our heads slowing and stunning us, guaranteeing we'd GET hit, so it oneshotted everyone over and over. As if that wasn't enough, it also conjured duplicates of itself, all of which were oneshotting everyone over and over and over.
After something like 200 wipes, I left. I hate to leave a group, but I'd been there nearly 6 hours being wiped over and over and over with no way to avoid or prevent it.
This is why I don't do these missions. They're stupidly difficult, and that was on NORMAL.
I'm especially disappointed because this is content, some of it quite spectacular, that I will NEVER do again. I wish they had made these a bit more reasonable at the "Normal" level. They could have made the current Normal level the "Veteran" level, and had a third "Elite" level that's the same as the current Veteran level. As it is, these missions are simply not accessible to more casual players, and I honestly don't see how less casual ones can even find these entertaining.
So, if there's a point to this, it's that there should be a lower difficulty level, at least on the bosses of these things. As it stands, they're too strong in pretty well every case I've seen.
1. Normal - New level, less powerful bosses.
2. Veteran - Same as current Normal level.
3. Elite - Same as current Veteran level.
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✭✭✭✭✭Because of what you were describing, I was going to ask why you insisted on doing these Dungeons on Veteran, but then you just said at the end there it was on Normal. And you still had all that difficulty?
No way in Hell am I going to shame you on your capability though, of course not. Even Normal Dungeons can have their way with you sometimes, and that Dungeon you described was Bloodroot Forge, one of the latest DLC Dungeons and also the hardest. So I don't blame you for wiping so much, and if you had such a hard time on Normal, please stay out of it on Vet, trust me, save yourself the torture.
But really, most of the people that choose to come into this thread will tell you to "Git Gud" and "L2P". It's insulting,but it's not without some truths. What class are you, and how many Champion Points if any? If you want an easy mode Dungeon runner, play as a Sorcerer, preferably a MagSorc. Those have very little trouble plowing through PvE content.
Edited by ArchMikem on December 6, 2017 3:39AMCP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
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Dragath✭✭✭✭op, are you on eu?
if you are, i'll take you with me for every pledge i do on normal. you will not die, we will not wipe. after a few dungeons, you will realize how easy it can be. we can talk about your build, game mechanics or whatever might help you to understand what you (or the players around you) do wrong.
i promise, with a bit of knowledge, you will blaze through normal dungeons on your own.32 -
Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Are you sure you were playing on normal?
I mean I will give you the fact that Bloodroot Forge is a pretty vicious dungeon at the best of times, but on normal you should be able to blow through it.
Have you tried tweaking your build to be better suited for dungeon content? There are plenty of guides out there on how to be a better dps/healer/tank, and there are quite a few people that would be happy to answer any questions you had.
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✭✭Did my first normal group dungeons during the weekend. First run, no one wiped, disconnected. No one was kicked from the group. Second time, a couple of players died. It was no big deal. The players revived, we finished the dungeon and quest, got the skill point and mystery gift box from both.
Considering my inexperience with group dungeons, even I'm wondering how people would wipe continually in a normal dungeon.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)5 -
T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
You cant just discount someone's experience because YOURS is different, how ignorant is that...he quit before 1T so his CP probably low...maybe he got into a group combo where a dps que'd as a tank and/or healer and it that just didn't gel right ...and regardless of all the MAYBE's I can throw...you have to consider...what possible motive could this person hace to come here and lie...for WHAT, what do they gain? People, me included need to sit and think for a second before hitting enter, that's one of the PROS to text...you can take a second and make sure this is really the message you wan to convey.18 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Considering my inexperience with group dungeons, even I'm wondering how people would wipe continually in a normal dungeon.
I used to once upon a time.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
You cant just discount someone's experience because YOURS is different, how ignorant is that...he quit before 1T so his CP probably low...maybe he got into a group combo where a dps que'd as a tank and/or healer and it that just didn't gel right ...and regardless of all the MAYBE's I can throw...you have to consider...what possible motive could this person hace to come here and lie...for WHAT, what do they gain? People, me included need to sit and think for a second before hitting enter, that's one of the PROS to text...you can take a second and make sure this is really the message you wan to convey.
200 wipes over 6 hours.... Is just hard to believe. At some point you would assume a group able to complete it on normal would emerge. That type of wiping takes more than just one player at fault.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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✭✭✭I'm imagining a group of 4 all using bows, including the "healer" and "tank" light attacking to clear Falkretah. This week has been special in them there dungeons.
Can't wait for all the soloers attracted by the shinnies to go back to playing their own way.5 -
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✭I appreciate the lack of flames.
My character isn't max CP, but he is over the 160 point and has reasonable gear... but far from bleeding edge. But that's part of my point. If I MUST have the bleeding edge gear and be ultra-optimized in order to have ANY chance of success, then the content is too hard.
Also remember, I'm not saying this difficulty level shouldn't exist. There are surely MANY people who have no trouble with it, and who enjoy it. I'm just suggesting something a BIT easier, something that will allow people who are less optimized/less skilled to enjoy the content as well.
I actually had a similar experience recently, with Marvel Heroes 2016 (though the date was changed to Omega). They revamped aspects of their game, and made the base level of play VASTLY harder than it had been. The result was that players who wanted a BIT of a challenge without being overwhelmed had nothing to play. There was no way for them to compete with foes that were taking them out in one shot (and no learning curve, either).
I went on the forums there and suggested the same thing I'm suggesting here, a lower degree of difficulty to accommodate those who are unable to compete in the existing content. Marvel Heroes didn't do that, and now they're gone (though I won't say it's BECAUSE of this, I feel sure it contributed to the game's downfall).
I'm not even saying ALL of the content needs to be changed. The big groups of normal foes are pretty well fine. A challenge, but manageable. The earlier bosses in the mission were HARD, but not unmanageable. It's usually that last boss, in whatever dungeon, that is simply too powerful, either by hitting too hard, being too impervious to harm, or both. It's that last boss that needs to be tweaked to make things more manageable.
Again, I appreciate the thoughtful responses and lack of flames.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.5 -
Erai_sedai✭✭✭You'll absolutely get lots of "L2P" posts in this thread. What people won't understand is that you're new to dungeons, very likely have a suboptimal build, haven't done that dungeon before, and it's the latest dlc dungeon which is arguably the hardest.
Personally a random normal shouldn't land on a dlc dungeon, but that's another story. I'd keep at it though. Once you learn your build inside and out, and acquire better gear, it'll be much more enjoyable.3 -
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✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
You cant just discount someone's experience because YOURS is different, how ignorant is that...he quit before 1T so his CP probably low...maybe he got into a group combo where a dps que'd as a tank and/or healer and it that just didn't gel right ...and regardless of all the MAYBE's I can throw...you have to consider...what possible motive could this person hace to come here and lie...for WHAT, what do they gain? People, me included need to sit and think for a second before hitting enter, that's one of the PROS to text...you can take a second and make sure this is really the message you wan to convey.
200 wipes over 6 hours.... Is just hard to believe. At some point you would assume a group able to complete it on normal would emerge. That type of wiping takes more than just one player at fault.
To be fair, I'm estimating, and probably on the high side. All I know is that there were 6 episodes of Star Trek on behind me during the course of the mission, so I estimated 6 hours. 200 wipes is a very rough estimate though. I could be off by a bit.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.3 -
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✭✭✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
You cant just discount someone's experience because YOURS is different, how ignorant is that...he quit before 1T so his CP probably low...maybe he got into a group combo where a dps que'd as a tank and/or healer and it that just didn't gel right ...and regardless of all the MAYBE's I can throw...you have to consider...what possible motive could this person hace to come here and lie...for WHAT, what do they gain? People, me included need to sit and think for a second before hitting enter, that's one of the PROS to text...you can take a second and make sure this is really the message you wan to convey.
This entire event I played with people misqueuing - etc - don't make assumptions.
I have played this game, since beta. So when I say I don't believe something, it is because i have the experience to decide what i do and do not buy, about this game.
Also, pretty much every low level player who went to spindleclutch/bc1 and whatever the EP equiv. since before CP and finder existed, those were the lowbie dungeons done by groups of lvl 10-15 swinging 2h weps around since ever. No wipefests.
I think he was likely going into vets not normals and perhaps doesn't realise it.
Also, could you be a leeeettle more aggressive?
Edited by Mureel on December 6, 2017 4:13AM9 -
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✭✭✭✭Im all for making an easier tier of dungeons for those that don’t care for dungeons or Have trouble with them. But I wouldn’t want them to be the new normal. Id rather have them be labeled beginner or maybe Story Mode. I know it makes no practical difference, but for some reason labeling a dungeon you can light attack through as normal rubs me the wrong way.3 -
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✭Erai_sedai wrote: »You'll absolutely get lots of "L2P" posts in this thread. What people won't understand is that you're new to dungeons, very likely have a suboptimal build, haven't done that dungeon before, and it's the latest dlc dungeon which is arguably the hardest.
Personally a random normal shouldn't land on a dlc dungeon, but that's another story. I'd keep at it though. Once you learn your build inside and out, and acquire better gear, it'll be much more enjoyable.
But that's the thing... My build isn't "optimal," but it's not BAD, and I'm a decent player. I spent a lot of time in Craglorn, soloing group content there, so I'm not without my strengths... and yet I was being constantly oneshotted right through my shields, despite blocking and heavy armour.
That I, considering this, can't even get CLOSE to competing, suggests to me the content is too difficult.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.3 -
Morgha_Kul✭✭✭✭✭
✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
You cant just discount someone's experience because YOURS is different, how ignorant is that...he quit before 1T so his CP probably low...maybe he got into a group combo where a dps que'd as a tank and/or healer and it that just didn't gel right ...and regardless of all the MAYBE's I can throw...you have to consider...what possible motive could this person hace to come here and lie...for WHAT, what do they gain? People, me included need to sit and think for a second before hitting enter, that's one of the PROS to text...you can take a second and make sure this is really the message you wan to convey.
This entire event I played with people misqueuing - etc - don't make assumptions.
I have played this game, since beta. So when I say I don't believe something, it is because i have the experience to decide what i do and do not buy, about this game.
Also, pretty much every low level player who went to spindleclutch/bc1 and whatever the EP equiv. since before CP and finder existed, those were the lowbie dungeons done by groups of lvl 10-15 swinging 2h weps around since ever. No wipefests.
I think he was likely going into vets not normals and perhaps doesn't realise it.
Also, could you be a leeeettle more aggressive?
Yeah, it is what I want to convey; I very much doubt anyone having this much trouble with normals. Cannot make it any clearer.
It was definitely Normal difficulty, unless the dungeon finder sent me to the wrong dungeon.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭To be fair, I can certainly imagine the shock of rolling up Bloodroot Forge for the first time for a returning player who's been away since pre-1T."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."9 -
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✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »Erai_sedai wrote: »You'll absolutely get lots of "L2P" posts in this thread. What people won't understand is that you're new to dungeons, very likely have a suboptimal build, haven't done that dungeon before, and it's the latest dlc dungeon which is arguably the hardest.
Personally a random normal shouldn't land on a dlc dungeon, but that's another story. I'd keep at it though. Once you learn your build inside and out, and acquire better gear, it'll be much more enjoyable.
But that's the thing... My build isn't "optimal," but it's not BAD, and I'm a decent player. I spent a lot of time in Craglorn, soloing group content there, so I'm not without my strengths... and yet I was being constantly oneshotted right through my shields, despite blocking and heavy armour.
That I, considering this, can't even get CLOSE to competing, suggests to me the content is too difficult.
You're sure you were on normal, not vet of Version 1 dungeons?
I really cannot understand it. If you are PC NA /w me here and I can take you through any you need. Or @Oblivionia in game.
I'd be happy to help you clear whatever you're missing!Edited by Mureel on December 6, 2017 4:12AM5 -
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✭✭✭I did normal Bloodroot Forge the other day for the first time because of the event. I think it really requires you to know the mechanics of the bosses. I've seen people mention before that, if you get oneshot, generally it's because you messed up the mechanics, and that was always the case of me and my groups during the event for DLC dungeons like Bloodroot.
I also think an issue is that a lot of players who just want to get the reward boxes are new to this kind of PVE and, because of the random dungeon finder, players are forced to learn the dungeons on the spot or otherwise be unable to complete them in the worst cases. Maybe there could be an option in random dungeon finder to include or exclude DLC dungeons even if you have access to them.IGN @ emilypumpkin
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Zhaedri✭✭✭✭Sounds like you had quite the run of things!
I've died a few times in dungeons in this event, and it sounds like you just got terrible luck and maybe a worse group?
I used to hate dungeons before this event... and now... I think I might keep doing them after. At least on some characters.3 -
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✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »I appreciate the lack of flames.
My character isn't max CP, but he is over the 160 point and has reasonable gear... but far from bleeding edge. But that's part of my point. If I MUST have the bleeding edge gear and be ultra-optimized in order to have ANY chance of success, then the content is too hard.
Also remember, I'm not saying this difficulty level shouldn't exist. There are surely MANY people who have no trouble with it, and who enjoy it. I'm just suggesting something a BIT easier, something that will allow people who are less optimized/less skilled to enjoy the content as well.
I actually had a similar experience recently, with Marvel Heroes 2016 (though the date was changed to Omega). They revamped aspects of their game, and made the base level of play VASTLY harder than it had been. The result was that players who wanted a BIT of a challenge without being overwhelmed had nothing to play. There was no way for them to compete with foes that were taking them out in one shot (and no learning curve, either).
I went on the forums there and suggested the same thing I'm suggesting here, a lower degree of difficulty to accommodate those who are unable to compete in the existing content. Marvel Heroes didn't do that, and now they're gone (though I won't say it's BECAUSE of this, I feel sure it contributed to the game's downfall).
I'm not even saying ALL of the content needs to be changed. The big groups of normal foes are pretty well fine. A challenge, but manageable. The earlier bosses in the mission were HARD, but not unmanageable. It's usually that last boss, in whatever dungeon, that is simply too powerful, either by hitting too hard, being too impervious to harm, or both. It's that last boss that needs to be tweaked to make things more manageable.
Again, I appreciate the thoughtful responses and lack of flames.
The problem is that Gear is maybe 20% of the equation, and the skills you use and how you use them make a big difference.
I have pretty much best in slot gear for some of my DPS characters, yet I am pulling more than 10k less DPS than the really good players, not because mu Julianos is purple instead of Gold, but because my rotation and weaves are off.
Likewise Survivability is the same, I find that if you are running dungeons with randoms, you really need to be able to take care of yourself. This means slotting some heals or a shield, along with some defensive skills like Blade Cloak. It also requires learning mechanics, knowing where to be and what to do at any given time. Knowing where you need to stand during Kena's slam phase for instance will stop you from instantly dying to the outer flame walls.
Basically what it comes down to is practice, and learning how things work. The easiest way is to find some lovely people who will run through dungeons with you and teach you the mechanics.
I'm pretty guilty of not doing this myself, especially during this event, but I've just been going for fast completes, and taking time to explain stuff rather than just brute forcing it, and pulling less experienced teamates with me seems like less effort.
Regardless, we were all in your shoes at some point OP, and the more you learn, the easier things get.Edited by Sixty5 on December 6, 2017 4:14AMLord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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LOL, i don't care how long you've been playing video games, this one included (I've been playing games before video killed the radio star)...this isn't about your uber leet pushing a button skills, this is about you being EXTREMELY RUDE and AGGRESSIVE just calling the dude a liar...because you fail to comprehend how with all the variabled involved its statistically possible to get a crap group that wipes...over and over and OVER4 -
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✭✭✭What NORMAL could you possibly have had a wipefest on?
I don't believe it at all, having done this on all my chars every day even lvl 10 and 35 ones and had ZERO wipes.
Edited to add: Yeah BF is a jerk; over this event, perhaps requeue if you have a DLC dungeon.
I AM SORRY because I always forget these are in there; due to them almost never showing up!
That said, I can still take you through those and tell you the boss mechanic, if you still want to know etc. It's really not too hard, you just need to know focus order and what mechanic/s to watch for.0 -
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✭✭I got ICP.. .which we waited out the timer and rerolled.. We had a fake healer, we chose to have a fake healer because this is a group from my guild but can't do ICP without an actual healer.
Then got CoA2.
And was being wiped by the ash daedroth over and over. (not even the final boss)
The issue was our other DPS had turbo grinded thier character to level 50 and had no skillshards even though they were cp 690 they had no passives at all.
Eventually that dps left we requeued for a new one and bamn we no longer struggled to clear the normal.
I was on my PVP character, but I have all the PVE skills, just my CP is not optimised. My gear isn't actually that bad since it is all medium, all divines. It just lacks crit.1 -
FinneganFroth✭✭✭✭✭I mean, I really hate to be THAT guy, but your rant is what is wrong with this game and why all the really good players and talent are leaving for more complex and challenging games. You are upset because you had a challenging experience on a normal dungeon? Ok...it's a game. You really just want to play something that has absolutely no challenge to it so that you can point and click to open a box? So you got a DLC random norm. Yeah, those are tougher, but do you really think that warrants a revamping of the entire dungeon system? In all honesty, most of the dungeons are extremely easy on vet, let alone normal. I was on my laptop for most of this event and just spammed a single attack on my stamblade to finish dungeons because I didn't have a mouse. These dungeons are easy enough as they stand...Take some time, read some guides, test your skills, etc...before complaining that a normal dungeon system is too difficult. Honestly, this game is easy and linear enough as is.8 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »I had gone into the game thinking to get myself one of these event crate things, but I discovered to my disappointment that they're only for the GROUP dungeons, and only via the random dungeon finder.
Now, I never do those dungeons, because every time I do, they all end the same way. Team wipe after team wipe after team wipe. Bosses with attacks you can't avoid or block, but that will instantly oneshot you. Bosses with so much health that they take an hour to kill off IF you can manage to do it (usually after 20-30 wipes). In general, it's just not any fun, so I don't do them.
But, if I want to partake of the "event," I'm forced to do them, so I thought I'd give it a try again. After all, it's been a while since I last did one (before One Tamriel), so maybe things will be better?
So, I queued and entered a dungeon I'd not seen before. Some dungeon with Nords, Minotaurs and Fire Shalks. Of course, as usual the group was blitzing through as fast as possible, so I had no chance to read anything, or find loot, or look around for hidden things... but that really wasn't why I was there.
We battled through. Many of the fights were really hard, but we prevailed. Eventually, we came to a group of final bosses. Three of them, all ridiculously strong. We went in without a plan and wiped about 6 times. Finally, we got organized and went in properly and prevailed. I thought we were done, but no, there was "one" more boss, a magma atronach of some sort.
It proceeded to wipe the team over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over over and over, with no end in sight. Every hit was oneshotting anyone it hit. Of course, there was also debris falling on our heads slowing and stunning us, guaranteeing we'd GET hit, so it oneshotted everyone over and over. As if that wasn't enough, it also conjured duplicates of itself, all of which were oneshotting everyone over and over and over.
After something like 200 wipes, I left. I hate to leave a group, but I'd been there nearly 6 hours being wiped over and over and over with no way to avoid or prevent it.
This is why I don't do these missions. They're stupidly difficult, and that was on NORMAL.
I'm especially disappointed because this is content, some of it quite spectacular, that I will NEVER do again. I wish they had made these a bit more reasonable at the "Normal" level. They could have made the current Normal level the "Veteran" level, and had a third "Elite" level that's the same as the current Veteran level. As it is, these missions are simply not accessible to more casual players, and I honestly don't see how less casual ones can even find these entertaining.
So, if there's a point to this, it's that there should be a lower difficulty level, at least on the bosses of these things. As it stands, they're too strong in pretty well every case I've seen.
1. Normal - New level, less powerful bosses.
2. Veteran - Same as current Normal level.
3. Elite - Same as current Veteran level.
In all seriousness you should start streaming yourself do dungeons, it would honestly be the most interesting thing to tune in to.
I think you have bad groupfinder luck too most people usually get atleast 1 person everytime or they themselves can carry any normal dungeon. I had a friend of mine who only tanks always get bow light attack spammers and sorc healers that would spam random useless pve abilities lol.
You may have the unfortunate luck with groupfinder in which case you should stream it for all of our entertainment. Sorry about your loss on the crate it was just gonna be undaunted plunder anyways.2 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭honestly Op, that is some rotten luck you got. first dungeon and its the hardest one in the game O_O. its the equivalent of learning to swim for the first time in a stormy ocean. that last boss fight is brutal if you don't know how to deal with the flame patches etc that he puts on the ground. oh and those shalks will absolutely one shot you no matter the gear, through block and everything, unless you stop the circles they send at you by the lava (if i remember correctly - even if you kill it right away, the red circle it releases, still chases you until it catches and kills you. they usually show up by the lava with little islands on it. jump onto the island if shalk is targeting you.)
all I can say is... see if you can find someone with a low level character to group with. this way, you will only get the early dungeons that are meant to be a gentle introduction to the group content. you getting this dungeon was just unbelievably bad luck. sorry
Edited by Linaleah on December 6, 2017 4:58AMdirty worthless casual.
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭This was a DLC dungeon, with an inexperienced group, you will always have troubles, give the person a break.Breakfast KingPS4 EU6 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭lol 6 hours in anormal dungeon, and i thought more than 3 hours in a vet trial was bad
normal dlc are def a little challenging but still easy. probs a lrn2play issue
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