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  • NewBlacksmurf
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    Respectfully worded.....your focus is the least content so the feelings and concerns you have may be valid but its not something the developers can carve out just for every niche group.

    For example, I primarily enjoy PvE world, Dungeon content....if I'm disappointed by the focus of new DLC I would just leave and come back later. As an example the Morrowind content came with a lot of issues on xbox one and the battlegrounds seemed to be a bigger focus in terms of content. I stepped away for a good bit and came back and the latest DLC was more PvE group based and some issues were resolved. So now I play.....mind you I've left and come back 3 times since closed PC beta

    just step away for 3-6 months, its normal...you're probably missing out on another game that is more fitting at this time.
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  • A_G_G_R_O
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    I agree and it’s because they haven’t deleted Kyne yet.
  • shadoza
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    raviour wrote: »
    After countless pointless farming events, nerfs that are supposed to balance PvP but end up just nerfing PvE because are badly thought out. Boring new DLC that are based on the very dark premises of Sotha Sil. No interesting new content for end-gamers since vMoL, no dynamic population cap in Cyrodiil and no reduction in points based on poulation there, an AP system that does not encourage defence, Cyro NPC and siege nerfed since 1.7.

    Zenimax you better shape up coz I need a dev and my heart is set on you.

    Greece jokes aside, its sad to see so many leave recently. Not surprising though since most of the changes are inspired by weak cry babies that rage on forum about their precious hardened ward etc.

    For a new player I can understand that the game is interesting and exciting but for us that have played 3 years+ it has lost its umpf. Zo$ I thoroughly recommend that you talk to the experienced players about ideas to better the game rather than pander to cry baby sorcs and newbies that don't really understand the game.

    I heard rumours that you are meeting with GMs of big PvP guilds to talk about the nightcapping issues. As a GM of the only PvP guild for solo players I would like an invite. We are usually the people that are awake at that time. All I would say though is 'Bring dynamic population cap already, buff siege in CP campaigns and rebuff NPC, even bring back mercenary NPC'. Also bring back crits to proc sets for those poor PvE heroes, everyone in PvP wears impen so it really made no difference (duh).

    You been shooting yourself in the foot since 1.6 Zeni, I love your game but I am just warning you, also..... Don't shoot the messenger (and don't kick the baby :P).

    Shame TESO doesn't care about solo players. I am frustrated with paying sub for group content. Thinking about dropping the sub and just playing the free side. If TESO is meeting with "big PvP guilds" then I do hope those big guilds have the money to support the servers because I will not be supporting group activities. Sounds a little hostile, yes. I can stop subbing and still play so I lose nothing.
  • shadoza
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    Rosveen wrote: »
    Bosmer have 3 (Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor)
    Khajiits have 1.2 (Reaper's March, Kenarthi's Roost)
    The part of Reaper's March west of the river are Bosmer lands. Khajiit didn't even get one full zone.

    They did get a trial (Lorkaj), but I also wouldn't mind them getting another one.

    ...

    Trials are for group content only, so solo players will never see this zone. Same as not having one to me.
  • AlienatedGoat
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    shadoza wrote: »
    Shame TESO doesn't care about solo players.

    Vvardenfell, Hew's Bane, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, Wrothgar.

    The last 5 zones in a row have been predominately solo PvE content.

    The last real PvP contribution was Imperial City, a long time ago.

    I agree that solo play could use some more quality content, but your argument that ZOS has been ignoring solo PvE in favor of group PvE/PvP is just not true.
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  • shadoza
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    Phage wrote: »
    shadoza wrote: »
    Shame TESO doesn't care about solo players.

    Vvardenfell, Hew's Bane, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, Wrothgar.

    The last 5 zones in a row have been predominately solo PvE content.

    The last real PvP contribution was Imperial City, a long time ago.

    I agree that solo play could use some more quality content, but your argument that ZOS has been ignoring solo PvE in favor of group PvE/PvP is just not true.

    There is more to solo play the PvE questing. Why does TESO not meeting with guilds for solo runners?
  • AlienatedGoat
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    shadoza wrote: »
    Phage wrote: »
    shadoza wrote: »
    Shame TESO doesn't care about solo players.

    Vvardenfell, Hew's Bane, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, Wrothgar.

    The last 5 zones in a row have been predominately solo PvE content.

    The last real PvP contribution was Imperial City, a long time ago.

    I agree that solo play could use some more quality content, but your argument that ZOS has been ignoring solo PvE in favor of group PvE/PvP is just not true.

    There is more to solo play the PvE questing. Why does TESO not meeting with guilds for solo runners?

    If you're basing this off of what OP said, I'd suggest being more skeptical. It's more likely that OP has no idea what he's talking about or at the very least is misinformed.

    As for solo play, it literally encompasses questing and exploration. That is what the main TES entries are all about.
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  • THWIP71
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    Really?! Good... more chests and mats for meeeeeee! :D
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    THWIP71 wrote: »
    Really?! Good... more chests and mats for meeeeeee! :D

    Enjoy . That's what games are about . If people still have fun here then good for them . I think one day ZoS will improve the game in a way that attracts me to return but no worries if they do not . I'm having lots of fun now away . I always hope my friends here have fun too . To each their own .
  • zyk
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    It's not fair to blame PVP or even any of the balance changes. The game is easier than ever now.

    Enthusiasts are quitting because there isn't enough to do. A couple of new trials per year added to the grind isn't enough. If ZOS wants to make ESO fun for raiders, they need to add much more content which can be completed progressively. I have no idea why PVE raiders stick around to grind the same content over and over and over and over and over, etc, again.

    I call myself an AvA PVP player, but I take months off at a time or go through casual periods because PVP is often broken in one or more significant ways and Cyrodiil is in desperate need of a refresh. Really, I spend most of my time afk while I do other rl things so I can update guild traders.

    ZOS has essentially abandoned core and hardcore gamers and is instead focused on the ultra-casual player. This is unethical because when the game launched, they promised a better experience for us.
  • Axoinus
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    raviour wrote: »
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    For a new player I can understand that the game is interesting and exciting but for us that have played 3 years+ it has lost its umpf. Zo$ I thoroughly recommend that you talk to the experienced players about ideas to better the game rather than pander to cry baby sorcs and newbies that don't really understand the game.
    ...

    Correction. I've been here 3 years and haven't even finished Morrowind yet.

    Please do not bucket everyone into your own experience. Not everyone is at your 8 hours a day pace.



    Edited by Axoinus on December 5, 2017 2:27AM
  • jbjondeaueb17_ESO
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    I don't have any advice on that apart : "You know you don't have to be here" :smiley:

    But the last PvP content is, even if specific by not being directly in Cyrodiil, Battlegrounds. I'm not really a fan of it but it's still PvP.
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  • Rainraven
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    THWIP71 wrote: »
    Really?! Good... more chests and mats for meeeeeee! :D

    Enjoy . That's what games are about . If people still have fun here then good for them . I think one day ZoS will improve the game in a way that attracts me to return but no worries if they do not . I'm having lots of fun now away . I always hope my friends here have fun too . To each their own .

    I want to be like you. :)
  • A_G_G_R_O
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    Honestly everyone should be upset.
    If you are into PvE there is a lack of enough trials content for you to aim for as a goal.

    If you are a casual player you cannot even count on a working group finder that doesn’t frustratingly kick you out of the group the second it is formed or it just generally not working. Like seriously I have earned 900 cp, played for years and this has actually only gotten worse, who the heck is working on this at ZoS? I work in software development please hire me for a week so I can help you fix something this trivial, it’s honesty disgusting.

    If you are a solo quester and was looking forward to morrowind, well sorry despite it being larger in size as wrothgar but with about the same content for $40, you paid for the BGs you probably won’t even play.

    If your an AvA pvp player, like large scale? Well congrats the only campaign you can play in for that combat is so laggy And pathetic you end up in countless soundless fights and infinite load-screens. Seriously how is this a thing, why not atleast provide a ####ing status bar of % out of 100 that has been loaded. This is actually trivial and pathetic this can’t be fixed. It took them months to close dead campaigns after the double AP event, seriously how was this so hard? That’s a brainless easy fix.

    Are you small scalers or solo pvp’r that’s looking for competitive pvp in BGs? Congrats you spend 40$ and get a BG system without mmr or dynamic matchmaking and you either show up with a premise and get stomped or you absolutely stomp everyone and get queued up with potatoes that offer little challenge. Or get ball zerged down in vivec and get outplayed.

    I haven’t ever really RP’d but I can say there isn’t a strong focus on that from a development stand point, and he’ll all the cool emotes that come out are behind a paywall and they took two years to create interactive environments? I was sitting in chairs in 2011 in Skyrim.

    The biggest problem is there is 0
    DIRECTION from ZoS. Everybody in the group listed above thinks that the games direction is about them (except a disillusioned end game raider and top tier pvper scene who can see the writing on the walls)

    If you are in any of the groups above you should be disappointed. Because the truth is ZoS has only a half hearted interest in all of the groups, doesn’t have a vision of how they want to improve or communicate with the community, and just want to do just enough to push items through the crown store.

    That’s why people are exodusing this game , there isn’t one longtime group of players that as a whole in their community feels they are being represented due to a lack of direction of how ZoS wants ESO to progress going forward.

    Oh wait sorry new crown crates just came out, gotta dump $100 to get that slick fire atro mount and skin , sure wish the efforts put into designing it was used towards content I’d rather buy.

    Hell at this point I’d actually buy a DLC that has 100% fixes for these common dumb elementary bugs that have lasted for YEARS!

    I’d actually pay ZoS to buy a fixed package to fix the broken game I paid full price for. That’s the sad state of the game.

    GGWP
  • Darth_Trumpious
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    stuff?
  • shadoza
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    Phage wrote: »
    shadoza wrote: »
    Phage wrote: »
    shadoza wrote: »
    Shame TESO doesn't care about solo players.

    Vvardenfell, Hew's Bane, Gold Coast, Clockwork City, Wrothgar.

    The last 5 zones in a row have been predominately solo PvE content.

    The last real PvP contribution was Imperial City, a long time ago.

    I agree that solo play could use some more quality content, but your argument that ZOS has been ignoring solo PvE in favor of group PvE/PvP is just not true.

    There is more to solo play the PvE questing. Why does TESO not meeting with guilds for solo runners?

    If you're basing this off of what OP said, I'd suggest being more skeptical. It's more likely that OP has no idea what he's talking about or at the very least is misinformed.

    As for solo play, it literally encompasses questing and exploration. That is what the main TES entries are all about.

    If TESO is all about solo play, then why is ZoS only asking PvP guilds for advice on how to advance the game? Why not ask solo players if that is the focus of the game?
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    raviour wrote: »
    After countless pointless farming events, nerfs that are supposed to balance PvP but end up just nerfing PvE because are badly thought out. Boring new DLC that are based on the very dark premises of Sotha Sil. No interesting new content for end-gamers since vMoL, no dynamic population cap in Cyrodiil and no reduction in points based on poulation there, an AP system that does not encourage defence, Cyro NPC and siege nerfed since 1.7.

    Zenimax you better shape up coz I need a dev and my heart is set on you.

    Greece jokes aside, its sad to see so many leave recently. Not surprising though since most of the changes are inspired by weak cry babies that rage on forum about their precious hardened ward etc.

    For a new player I can understand that the game is interesting and exciting but for us that have played 3 years+ it has lost its umpf. Zo$ I thoroughly recommend that you talk to the experienced players about ideas to better the game rather than pander to cry baby sorcs and newbies that don't really understand the game.

    I heard rumours that you are meeting with GMs of big PvP guilds to talk about the nightcapping issues. As a GM of the only PvP guild for solo players I would like an invite. We are usually the people that are awake at that time. All I would say though is 'Bring dynamic population cap already, buff siege in CP campaigns and rebuff NPC, even bring back mercenary NPC'. Also bring back crits to proc sets for those poor PvE heroes, everyone in PvP wears impen so it really made no difference (duh).

    You been shooting yourself in the foot since 1.6 Zeni, I love your game but I am just warning you, also..... Don't shoot the messenger (and don't kick the baby :P).

    Well said, cool idea...it wont happen...why? cuz crybabies carry $$$ in their diaper.
  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    One of the things I really don't understand is Zenimax's massive Dark Elf favoritism. Like, they already had one of the biggest zones in the game (Deshaan + Stonefalls), and then the first major chapter is for them (Morrowind), then the second-next DLC after that is also for them (Clockwork). Like, ENOUGH! I'm SO SICK of Dark Elves!

    There's really not much variety in the last batches of DLC with all this ugly Dark Elf crap in it.

    look at the bright side...there isn't gona be any...they done with it :D
  • Taleof2Cities
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    Once the new chapter is released ... likely Summerset ... we'll be able to look back at this thread and laugh.
  • generalmyrick
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    You think rather highly of yourself, don't you..

    ehehehehehhehe
    "The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:

    Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
    Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"

    Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019

    Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.
  • Curragraigue
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Kram8ion wrote: »
    No I can’t get grease out of my head :s
    Thogard wrote: »
    What guild are you the GM of?

    It’s Wallawalla bing bang

    Haven’t heard of them or him. I’m curious as to how a PvP gm could think sorcs are OP in this CWC patch cycle. Must be a console thing.

    Hes right though, people are leaving. But people have always been leaving. The problem now is that we have fewer people coming up to replace the ones that have left.

    I think a lot of that is that the game has become extremely complicated lately. Too many things for a new player to juggle that are widening the gap between them and veterans, which can be very discouraging for them.

    If you open his signature it says he is GM of SLU DEM which appears to be a PC EU guild. No reference to him playing on console @Thogard
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    18 characters, 17 max level, at least 1 Stam and 1 Mag of every class, 1 of every race and 1200+ CP

    Tanked to Undaunted 9+ Mag and Stam of every class using Group Finder for 90+% of the Vet Dungeon runs
  • Thogard
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Kram8ion wrote: »
    No I can’t get grease out of my head :s
    Thogard wrote: »
    What guild are you the GM of?

    It’s Wallawalla bing bang

    Haven’t heard of them or him. I’m curious as to how a PvP gm could think sorcs are OP in this CWC patch cycle. Must be a console thing.

    Hes right though, people are leaving. But people have always been leaving. The problem now is that we have fewer people coming up to replace the ones that have left.

    I think a lot of that is that the game has become extremely complicated lately. Too many things for a new player to juggle that are widening the gap between them and veterans, which can be very discouraging for them.

    If you open his signature it says he is GM of SLU DEM which appears to be a PC EU guild. No reference to him playing on console @Thogard
    Ah I’m on mobile and can’t see signatures. Thank you

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  • akl77
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    IMO, a game that lasted this long has done it’s job, I’ve never played a game daily over two years straight.
    Also, the disappointment is the whole gaming industry, there’s just no alternatives at the moment. Why is the gaming industry lacking so bad? Vr failed miserably too.
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  • Doctordarkspawn
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    You think rather highly of yourself, don't you..

    The same could be said for you.
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    The game is hanging on by it's fingernails.

    I know nobody who -likes- playing on vet anymore. We like the game and the action RPG style, but we dislike the balance as it has been since Morrowind. We want our sustain back. We want our class's back to being unscrewed with. I'd like for my Templar not to be nerfed in healing because ZOS decided people needed to play Warden. Enough.

    But I dont think they will. They would rather crash financially than welch on a decision allready made.
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Endgame players need some story content. 1-2 trials and 2 dungeons a year isn't enough. That's a few hours of content at most, unless you're pushing for weekly leader boards.

    We need more zones like Craglorn that have content for new and veteran players alike.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on December 5, 2017 4:37AM
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    Endgame players need some story content. 1-2 trials and 2 dungeons a year isn't enough. That's a few hours of content at most.

    We need more zones like Craglorn, that have content for new and veteran players alike.

    Not gonna fix the problem.

    If people dont like playing the content with the current balance more content wont fix the problem. And this is the problem, dislike the mismanagement and the outright radio silence in response to they're feedback and wishes.

    Sorry. This isn't the excuse to ask for a dark souls zone, that you are looking for.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on December 5, 2017 4:43AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Endgame players need some story content. 1-2 trials and 2 dungeons a year isn't enough. That's a few hours of content at most.

    We need more zones like Craglorn, that have content for new and veteran players alike.

    Not gonna fix the problem.

    If people dont like playing the content with the current balance more content wont fix the problem. And this is the problem, dislike the mismanagement and the outright radio silence in response to they're feedback and wishes.

    Sorry. This isn't the excuse to ask for a dark souls zone, that you are looking for.

    Craglorn doesn't even approach Dark Souls in terms of difficulty. It's just slightly more difficult than faceroll-easy, which is all I'm asking for.

    Not every zone needs to be a starter zone. This is an MMO. There should be zones for new and veteran players.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on December 5, 2017 6:18AM
  • FloppyTouch
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    People leave mmo nothing new. The best part is a lot of new people replace them. Have you seen how many low cp player have come to the game? A ton! great opportunities to meet knew and great people.
  • Doctordarkspawn
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    Endgame players need some story content. 1-2 trials and 2 dungeons a year isn't enough. That's a few hours of content at most.

    We need more zones like Craglorn, that have content for new and veteran players alike.

    Not gonna fix the problem.

    If people dont like playing the content with the current balance more content wont fix the problem. And this is the problem, dislike the mismanagement and the outright radio silence in response to they're feedback and wishes.

    Sorry. This isn't the excuse to ask for a dark souls zone, that you are looking for.

    Craglorn doesn't even approach Dark Souls in terms of difficulty. It's just slightly more difficult than faceroll-easy, which is all I'm asking for.

    Not every zone needs to be a starter zone. This is an MMO. There should be zones for new and veteran players.

    What your asking for wont solve the problem and is therefor your greed talking. And therefor, not worth indulging.

    I wonder if you ever get tired of coveting everything around you.
    Edited by Doctordarkspawn on December 5, 2017 6:37AM
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