Myyth wrote: »

This is what I think is the solution to the fake tank problem.

Have a "report player for not performing role" feature. You right click on player in the group listing and report them for skipping the queue as a dps. Quick and simple.

After a player receives a certain amount of reports (3 or 5?) from different players in different groups the ability to queue as tank and healer is locked for a set amount of time. (1 week?) This would force that player to only queue as DPS with that character until that time expires. Since it requires reports from different players in multiple different groups it should prevent abuse.

What do you guys think?
I think it would be awesome way bring some fairness back and punish players who think they are entitled to skip the queue.

I think it depends. I don't think they would ever implement this. Your best bet is to Vote to Kick. That's what we did the last time we had a DPS queue in as a tank because "it was quicker".

I think the best solution is not to let someone queue without a taunt slotted. It won't filter out all the fake tanks who will go on to not actually taunt anything, but at least it's a safeguard.

Also don't let someone queue as a healer without at least one healing skill slotted. Same for DPS (however unlikely that is) so everyone gets treated the same. Basically say "Hey buddy, did you know that you don't have a skill that is vital for your role slotted? You should do that, like, now"

That or don't let anyone with less than 20k health queue as a tank because seriously *** you if you do this.

Yes vote to kick is the road u should take. If the other 2 dont think its a problem then u should move on and either do the dungeon or leave group in protest.

I think it could work if 2 or more players from each different group reported (which would count as one strike per different group). idk how well ZOS would be able to review these kinds of reports though.

Also the fact that "random groups are random so stuff like that happens" is not an excuse to not have a report feature for this wtf hello?

UnversedNumber3 wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

I think the best solution is not to let someone queue without a taunt slotted. It won't filter out all the fake tanks who will go on to not actually taunt anything, but at least it's a safeguard.

Also don't let someone queue as a healer without at least one healing skill slotted. Same for DPS (however unlikely that is) so everyone gets treated the same. Basically say "Hey buddy, did you know that you don't have a skill that is vital for your role slotted? You should do that, like, now"

That or don't let anyone with less than 20k health queue as a tank because seriously *** you if you do this.

This would cause a problem with speed runs when you run 4 DPS. This should be excluded from 4 man premades.

I think 4man premades should be whatever they want, because there's 0 random factor.

My problem is 1 b-hole punishing 3 other people because of their bad choices.

michalmack wrote: »

Yes vote to kick is the road u should take. If the other 2 dont think its a problem then u should move on and either do the dungeon or leave group in protest.

Ye agreed, I hate when I find that the "tank" is actually a DD in an instance like VRoM or something. The people that wanna run with 3/4 dds should use zone/friends/guilds and make a set group. That's what I do myself when I wanna run a quick easy one and with more then 2 dds. And the system suggested by OP is gonna be abused no question about it, sadly.

This is just getting out of hand. Seriously, it isn't THAT big of an issue. Not only are you coming across as an elitist, you're making it seem like the community is intolerant of 1. new players and 2. the inevitable newb that comes with them.

First, take a good look at yourself and what you said. Next, realize you are grouping RANDO style. If it's such an issue, find a few friends and only run with them.

Really now, at this point, this is ridiculous. It's a weekend event for people to go into a dungeon that maybe they otherwise wouldn't have. Maybe now there are lots of players out there who are like "wow, thats a dungeon". Maybe they just learned a thing or two on that run.

If you have 10 toons and are running 10 dungeons a day, or more, you are bound to come across lots of ignorant or inexperienced players.

I reiterate, back away from the computer (and game) and then come back and look at what you just wrote.

redspecter23 wrote: »

Too easy to abuse. Letting players decide the reasons for reporting then having an automatic system in place to lock out the players that are reported will almost certainly lead to exploiting the system.

The easy solution is to not pug out with expectations. Yes, if you queue for tank you should probably actually tank things. Putting players in charge of policing this is not a good idea at all.

How can it be abused? you need reports from multiple RANDOM people in multiple RANDOM groups using group finder.
The worse that happens is a player cant queue as a tank for a period of time, its not a ban. They can still play the game and use group finder.

We already have a vote to kick feature which is self policing that has much more potential for abuse.
Vote to kick also isn't a good solution because nothing is stopping the player from just queueing again non stop as a fake tank.

This is not about reporting players performance, just if they queued as a tank and they are dps.

krachall wrote: »

Couldn't any character don heavy armor, a shield, slot Puncture, and easily and effectively tank any normal random dungeon?

I made two NB tanks for this event, both under level 15, and have breezed through every dungeon with that setup. Tanking normal dungeons is stupid easy...and boring. No reason anyone can't do it.

Yes. The problem is people not even doing that much and the runs devolving into chaos unless one of the DPS basically solos the dungeon.

And it is a problem. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

This just strikes me as really whiney. Toughen up. How about all the horrible dps queuing up? How about the really horrible healers? Get real. Lighten up. If you want to play seriously go build a team and stop queueing randomly.

I was running the random normals with two of my friends. We would make sure one of us was on a capable dps toon and the other two would be whatever. We would mark ourselves as one of each role and pull in a random dps each time. None of us were tanking or healing, but we would finish the dungeon easily each time because we had one of us carry the group.
No dps complained with the fake tanking or healing because they got a quick and easy clear anyway.

The irony is that the one time we didn't have a capable dps toon, and I took my actual healer, we got ourselves a typical plinker dps (spams bow light attacks). And landed in Falkreath hold. It was a struggle with only 12k group dps but we got it done in the end. I basically taunted bosses and tanked while healing and doing just as much dps as everyone else.

Fake tanks aren't a problem in random normals if your dps is good.

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

I've never understood those people who can't wait for a bit to get into a dungeon. If I queue up as DPS I simply continue doing what I was doing before until I get the notification that the dungeon is ready. I just don't see the problem here.

Let's say it takes 15-20 minutes for the dps queueing to pop. Some people have 12 characters and they want to use them all to increase the odds of getting the reward they want. That's alot of time spent in the queue. Some people don't have that kind of time. When someone slots a taunt and queues as tank everybody wins. The people who queue as dps don't have to wait as long because there are more tanks in the pool and the dungeon is completed significantly faster.

CheepsNSalsa wrote: »

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

I've never understood those people who can't wait for a bit to get into a dungeon. If I queue up as DPS I simply continue doing what I was doing before until I get the notification that the dungeon is ready. I just don't see the problem here.

Let's say it takes 15-20 minutes for the dps queueing to pop. Some people have 12 characters and they want to use them all to increase the odds of getting the reward they want. That's alot of time spent in the queue. Some people don't have that kind of time. When someone slots a taunt and queues as tank everybody wins. The people who queue as dps don't have to wait as long because there are more tanks in the pool and the dungeon is completed significantly faster.

Weirdly I have not have had much queue as DD during the event, probably because all the other dd queue as tank
Had one failed run, that was CoH2 second last boss, tank was decent an no issue healing, however they did not handle the roll out of overlapping aoe under feet combined with pretty low dps.
Tank went charging in over and over, got mocked then tried to get some strategy past and just left.
Looked like none knew strategy for fight.