Random Dungeon Event experiences, other than loot

Ratzkifal · December 2017

I switch to my neglected Khajiit NB thinking I'll be fine in normal. The search ends. It's CoAII. I start sweating a little. My group has a "tank" and another DD with low levels. I start sweating more. The 650CP healer grows impatient more and more as killing anything just takes too long. I start to desperately switch my gear after every boss try some my older sets that I didn't have the courage to deconstruct. I end up putting on the rest of my former proc set gank build and beging swapping skills. Tryikg to brighten the mood I show them the deadly pie. We fight on, the healer and I are trying to skip via the lava, but the other two DDs fight on against the daedra. The healer and I managed to get to the Ashtitan. We look to the other side of the battlefield. It's the other two DDs running from a train of mobs. Through pure luck the Ashtitan doesn't get triggered by the two enemies pulling the train of daedra right under his nose. We manage to kill them as my dps had improved. The boss fight is hard as the tank can't tank the air atronachs so we all keep running in circles around the titan to keep them at bay. We kill it after one long and chaotic fight, that was surprisingly without a death. Finally we get to Valkyn Skoria after a long fight dungeon. The fight is a mess as one of the DDs decided to dps from a different platform than us and without a taunt, Skoria keeps alternating. The healer does her best to keep us alive before we finally get Skoria down. After what felt like almost four hours (even though it was just a little more than one) the dungeon was over. We turn in the quest and check our rewards. A Crown mimic stone, but despite all this, it was still fun.

Jade1986 · December 2017

Id love to try but the thing still isnt working.

Soleya · December 2017

My friend and I queued as dps (both on mag sorcs) last night, got a healer who didn't heal and a tank with 9k health. I suggested they take food, and they went up to 13k health. They only ones who died the whole dungeon were the healer and the tank.

FrancisCrawford · December 2017

I wound up doing 8 Random Normal dungeons yesterday, queuing twice as DPS to Darcy's healer and alone as healer the other 6 times.

Nobody was insulting.
All groups were pretty quiet.
Some groups had minimal conversation: "I need the quest." "Chest/Heavy sack". "Thx for the group." Etc.
Some were even quieter than that.
In one case I looked at the logs afterwards and was amazed at the huge fraction of DPS I had done. Then I recalled that the other DPS and the tank had spent large fractions of the boss fights being dead.
In one case I joined a group in progress in Arx Corinium. My Level 32 templar was the most advanced character in the group. That was my one hardcore healing experience; lots of emergency heals to go with the HoTs (and I also did a considerable fraction of the DPS). It was fun.
In one City of Ash 1 run, one of the DPS asked if a fast run was OK. We agreed, stipulating that a couple of us needed the quest. It was VERY fast.
The average run, I'd say, was done at the speed of a comfortable, silent jog.

phileunderx2 · December 2017

This morning in spindleclutch I'm healing on my warden he is level 35. The dps are about the same level. Fake tank is max
Cp. I start getting lots of aggro so I start hunkering down and blocking because I might as well. Fake tank asks why I don't just run away. Lol...

Eddyble · December 2017

Queued up for random normal in my tank (690+cp) decided to spec for a little more damage [ebon+red mountain+infernal guardian] but left all my usual tank skills on bars except for ulti, switched from horn to standard. when I finally got in (like 40+ attempts/accepts) I'm in wayrest 1 with 3 ~level 20's. 1 looked experienced the others must have been doing the quest and lagging a little behind. but, we managed just fine, only 1 death when the other experienced player (dps) went a bit ahead and engaged a boss before others were in the room. overall a good experience for everyone I think. to note: this was w/o any chat the whole way and no mic. now if we could just get IN to the dungeon consistently....

BlanketFort · December 2017

@duendology while I agree to most of what you said, there are limits to carrying.

Whether PUGging with a friend, or two, or alone, we never kick low CP. if the random keeps dying to mechanics that have been explained, they just simply won't get ressed. If they show attitude despite being carried, they get kicked.

Case in point:

-we PUGged vCOS and got a 689 DD. All he did was die, still didn't get kicked. On Veli, he kept dying to Don't move a muscle phase. We explained the mechanic, ressed him many times and he just carried on dying to the same thing, over and over again. So we left him dead and finished it.

-we then did Vet Bloodroot, got random DD who also just kept dying. Still didn't get kicked. Last boss, after dying for the nth time on falling AoE, we left him dead and finished.

Did any one of these randoms ever just take a minute and say "sorry, don't know mechanics" or apologise for their weak game? No. They got carried 100% and when the dungeon was over, neither even said goodbye, or anything, really. Never said a single word all throughout. That irks me, and I wish we HAD just kicked them.

So yeah.. goes both ways. Many 690 are just probably too tired of carrying ungrateful players with a "I'm the freaking macho man" attitude. If you land in a group and are the detriment to your group, at least be thankful for the carry.

duendology · December 2017

@BlanketFort
I agree with you... there's no excuse for a lazy or impolite player, so to speak...hence I mentioned those newbies who think they can win a dungeon on their own without paying attention it's a team work..and if you're a newbie to something it's only fair to mention it to the team..and be diligent to all suggestions you get BEFORE starting the run. I like to believe such "ungrateful ***" are few..
It's sad though that some CP600+s lack patience anymore for new ones assuming that all newbies are those "ungrateful parasites" who want to finish dungeons on other group members' shoulders, so to speak )don't get me wrong, I can understand this frustration!)..while many new ones, such myself, assume that all experienced dungeon runners are those frustrated diehard crazy types who probably scream at the computer screen if a new corner does something....stupid.

So, like yesterday, when I did my first run..I said it's my first time and would do what I can best to not die and be helpful

But these people were from the guild so they knew they were dealing with a new corner

When we finished I thanked for patience and company.

ps; I suspect if I had mentioned to a group (via Random Dungeon Finder) that I am a newbie I'd have gotten kicked out instantly..if not earlier.. when they had seen my bow. haha

ZioGio · December 2017

I must say my first dungeon group (and first PUG) since my character was in his teens (I'm CP 320+ now) went smoothly.

I queued as DPS for a normal dungeon around 9pm PST (I wanted to test the waters with my solo DPS Magplar build). I didn't time it, but it didn't seem like it took that long; I was off questing.

I didn't take notice of the others' levels. I didn't know the mechanics, but, being ranged, it didn't take me long to assess. We wiped twice; once on a small boss and once on the big boss, but no one complained and we finished up the run just fine. The only communication was at the end where everyone thanked everyone else for a smooth run.

All in all, I came away with a good experience and I realized that I wasn't missing anything by not being a regular dungeon crawler (aside from Undaunted points). I'll probably do some more runs in the future, but I confirmed that the questing is definitely the part of the game I enjoy the most.

duendology · December 2017

My experience (my first ever dungeon run)
Very positive! Everyone was polite and understanding, even though we were quiet in the chat during the run and exchanged thanks on the very end.
I ran three dungeons with the help of Friendly Dungeon Runners.
My first impression.... it's a fast jogging run in the middle of New Year's fireworks festival.

We also finished one veteran one (by accident heh)..which I found out about only later. I should have suspected something as I had died (3 times, I think) during the final battle - the space was small, I did not know this dungeon or boss mechanics there (we just went with the flow without some "prep talk"

), obviously, I didn't have anywhere to run from those annoying red circles. Fortunately, @vamp_emily (Healer) kept an eye on me.

I think one of the reasons it would be difficult for me to be a tank or "taunting" dps.is that when you're in the middle of battle and there are many mobs, I lose focus who's killing who, haha, and the whole scene really reminds New year's Fireworks..and I am like "who the *** am I supposed to be killing now" .

If you, guys, visit Alik's Desert's dolmen.. you know what I am talking about.

As for a loot box.. nothing interesting, but interestingly enough I wanted the experience.. not the loot box

So I am happy.

vamp_emily · December 2017

duendology wrote: »

I ran three dungeons with the help of Friendly Dungeon Runners.
My first impression.... it's a fast jogging run in the middle of New Year's fireworks festival. We also finished one veteran one (by accident heh)..which I found out about only later. I should have suspected something as I had died (3 times, I think) during the final battle - the space was small, I did not know this dungeon or boss mechanics there (we just went with the flow without some "prep talk" ), obviously, I didn't have anywhere to run from those annoying red circles. Fortunately, @vamp_emily (Healer) kept an eye on me.

Well that last "Vet" dungeon was not suppose to happen.

I was cleaning out my inventory and someone messaged me "Can you heal for us". I thought it was someone from FDR so I said yes. Then I asked you to join.

After we started I knew we were not in an FDR group. I almost had to pull us out of the group after they made the 'bow' comment but they did the smart thing and just continued playing.

BTW, you haven't seen annoying yet. Tonight one of the trials we are doing is Sanctum Ophidia. That is the most annoying place I've been. Some reason, i really think the people who created that trial hates us.

BlanketFort · December 2017

@duendology
The way I see it, if a max CP 690 kicks a random lowbie before even starting the first trash pack, then that 690 was the one needing a carry.

There are plenty of max CP players out there that are patient, will take the time to explain mechanics, and understand the game well enough to adapt to any grouping situation to get a clear. If you get kicked for simply having low CP, then you probably dodged a bullet

Edit:
Just wanted to add, for any new dungeoneers joining the queue, don't be afraid to speak up if you need mechanics explained, especially on Vet. Most will be happy to explain, and if someone gives you the stinky-eye because of it, leave, re-queue, and hope for better people

Acrolas · December 2017

Aside from faceplanting with my Stage 4 vampire a few times, everything's been awesome.

But to be fair, I forget he was Stage 4 and I've played him like 10 minutes since he became a vampire.

Actually, forget it. Vampires don't apologize. He wanted to faceplant. Stupid mortals.

obscure7 · December 2017

The majority of my runs so far have been decent. They have been the standard random normal run where 2 or 3 people say "Hi" at the beginning of the run and then "thanks for group" when the run is complete. No drama, everyone does ok, even if it's their first run ever, and we all feel good about finishing a random normal with random people.

The random vet runs, however are a different story. Three random vet dungeons. One was fairly standard. The second I joined where the group had kicked some people at the final boss for incompetence so all I had to do was kill the final boss (weird but OK, no problems). Last group was comprised of a 160 DPS and a 250 DPS who totaled about 10k combined, in Fungal Grotto 1, where all you have to do is sit there and throw skills at the boss. It was painful. I left after the second boss took 10 minutes to kill. I asked if any of them had queued for a random vet by mistake (rather than a random normal). The 160 said "no, I queued for vet on purpose." The other didn't have any soul gems.

/facepalm. /leavegroup

In retrospect, it was partly my fault. I should have been able to see how bad the run was going to be after the first pull.

Bobby_V_Rockit · December 2017

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

zaria · December 2017

obscure7 wrote: »

The majority of my runs so far have been decent. They have been the standard random normal run where 2 or 3 people say "Hi" at the beginning of the run and then "thanks for group" when the run is complete. No drama, everyone does ok, even if it's their first run ever, and we all feel good about finishing a random normal with random people.

The random vet runs, however are a different story. Three random vet dungeons. One was fairly standard. The second I joined where the group had kicked some people at the final boss for incompetence so all I had to do was kill the final boss (weird but OK, no problems). Last group was comprised of a 160 DPS and a 250 DPS who totaled about 10k combined, in Fungal Grotto 1, where all you have to do is sit there and throw skills at the boss. It was painful. I left after the second boss took 10 minutes to kill. I asked if any of them had queued for a random vet by mistake (rather than a random normal). The 160 said "no, I queued for vet on purpose." The other didn't have any soul gems.

/facepalm. /leavegroup

In retrospect, it was partly my fault. I should have been able to see how bad the run was going to be after the first pull.

I don't understand you don't queue for random vet unless you can do pretty much any vet dungeon.
This includes the dlc ones, at least most of them.
Else you queue for specific for pledge or gear.
And pug is not guild group, most will drop out after a couple of wipes.
And fungal 1 is easy just stay out of last boss AoE and you are fine. BC1 is only of the vet 1 dungeons who are a issue because of the random 18K damage attack.

BrightOblivion · December 2017

Apart from getting a triple dose of Banished Cells 1 and the neverending dialogue from hell, my 8 random normal dungeons today weren't that bad, even on my tank (for whom this was the second dungeon after yesterday's Crypt 2 that I've gone through geared/specced a tank).

I did have a fake tank in City of Ash 2 who didn't remember the dungeon, but we still dealt with it with no problems.

Loves_guars · December 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

Yes, same, but it is even worst being a tank and watching another one doing this, lol, so so annoying.

Ackwalan · December 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

Had a guy doing this today. There were 1 or 2 people doing the zone quest, and this superhero didn't want to spend the 10 seconds waiting for the updates. Luckily, he rage quit and they were able to finish the quest and zone. I guess he needed those few extra minutes to refill his med subscription.

Dapper Dinosaur · December 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

You mean you hate being carried by a tank that can do their job quickly and effectively?

Get over yourself and accept the carry, at least during this event where time is much more valuable. I just tanked ICP (normal) with a magicka-DK with only the ranged taunt and my dragon armor for defensive skills, and we got through with no wipes after we kicked our constantly-afk fake-healer. You're sitting there complaining about an effective tank doing his job. Just wow.

duendology · December 2017

@vamp_emily ,
I think if I were to try Trial, I'd do it with my Dunmer Templar Dps girl or a Breton Sorc.. because my "bowtard" girl

would be little of no help there. But I'll have to wait to have the "taste" of it..till I get a proper gear for either of them.

@BlanketFort
You know, I am curious how actually "telling" are those CP. in general I'm almost 360 CP (on all characters following Deltia's suggestions when it comes to gear and CP points) but still I've got little experience when it comes to strictly group activity, simply because I mostly used to stick to solo playing and pve content (with some escapades to Cyrodil, pvp is fun too!), this has changed recently as there are some items hidden behind dungeons' gates...and when you're in a group with laid-back people, it is fun in general. Anyway, does really CP system mirror your experience unless you actually see someone in battle? I basically can tell when I see a low level character that it is in fact an Alt created by an experienced gamer. You can see it by the style they play. And I saw once 500 CP who, oh gods, seemed to look like a drunk child lost in a fog, you see...

@obscure7
No soul gems? I learnt yesterday that you can't revive yourself during certain battles in a dungeon (final ones, I think). All my characters have a good stock of soul gems (400 and counting)..in case of dying. I admit I felt a bit embarrassed that I had to rely on other players to revive me in time... but to have zero soul gems while entering any group activity...ehh, well...:P

Bobby_V_Rockit · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

You mean you hate being carried by a tank that can do their job quickly and effectively?

Get over yourself and accept the carry, at least during this event where time is much more valuable. I just tanked ICP (normal) with a magicka-DK with only the ranged taunt and my dragon armor for defensive skills, and we got through with no wipes after we kicked our constantly-afk fake-healer. You're sitting there complaining about an effective tank doing his job. Just wow.

Lol, they are not effective when they die so often because they want to skip everything and I need to clean up the mea to keep the other 2 alive.

Dapper Dinosaur · December 2017

You didn't communicate that they were constantly dying. Your wording was implying that they were using speedrun-tactics and you wanted to slow down and do a normal run.

Bobby_V_Rockit · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You didn't communicate that they were constantly dying. Your wording was implying that they were using speedrun-tactics and you wanted to slow down and do a normal run.

My bad, but yeah, usually what happens is the tank (more often than not, all 3 roles selected) just runs towards the end of the dungeon inadvertantly grabbing all mobs while I end up killing everything without a tank because they are dead at the boss. Effectively turning the whole dungeon into a team of 3

zaria · December 2017

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

You mean you hate being carried by a tank that can do their job quickly and effectively?

Get over yourself and accept the carry, at least during this event where time is much more valuable. I just tanked ICP (normal) with a magicka-DK with only the ranged taunt and my dragon armor for defensive skills, and we got through with no wipes after we kicked our constantly-afk fake-healer. You're sitting there complaining about an effective tank doing his job. Just wow.

Depend a bit, tank pulling all the trash in an present you can put AoE on, so yes that is perfect, might not be perfect for the light attack brigade but

tank running ahead to next boss haiving mobs trailing behind hitting dd and healer so they get cc and end having to fight the various trash packs solo while tank doing his 2K dps far ahead, that is far from time efficient but also my main issue.

AbysmalGhul · December 2017

Today: Arx Corinium
Group
690 CP dps
580 CP dps
Level 24 Tank

I'm on my level 30 healer looking for a quick in and out daily random. I see the CP's and I'm kind of expecting a fairly quick run. We proceed to start the dungeon and the burn was painful to watch. The low level tank was on point with grouping the beginning adds. The burn....the burn was non-existent. I took so long to finish off the add group. I was like "f it". I hate quitting.

We get to the Fanged menace boss....Most people should know that it has poison AOE that heals it when you're standing inside of it. Not the high CP's though..... they just bathed themselves in it. I quickly say " Don't stand in the AOE. The boss will heal itself very quickly" Next AOE....the boss goes from 68 % to 100 % health. The tank rage quits and I get talked down in group chat . "Stop healing! DPS you dumb blah blah!"

I switch to my back bar and then the 2 dps go down....I burn the boss down to 40 %. It does it's AOE poison attack and I take the opportunity to revive the other 2 players. We get it down to 25 % and they stand in AOE poison attack again

*Feels rage* I wanted to punt cute and cuddly things into the Grand Canyon

kringled_1 · December 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I’ve taken a particular dislike to the tanks that charge ahead and drag all mobs with them without saying a word. I hate that playstyle and just leave the group now when I see one do it, about half the time. Lets enjoy the dungeon folks!

I had a CP 690 do this just now on FG1, where everyone else was low level. On the bridge to the final boss, he fell off into the water and took forever to arrive.

pod88kk · December 2017

Apparently all dps are healers and tanks now

BlanketFort · December 2017

@duendology no, CP doesn't tell you how good or bad a player is

I've met below 300 CP players that would play better than 690s, with all the fancy skins and titles, that just stand in red, don't follow mechanics, and dying to trash packs.

Player skill can be observed, yes. High CP means nothing. I'd rather take a low CP that performs well, or has a good learning attitude, over a 690 with weak sauce

disintegr8 · December 2017

I'm at cp cap and ran my first on a tank - random normal as I don''t like vet pugs. Got Bloodroot forge with mediocre DPS (CP200's) - multiple wipes on last boss until one of them leaves and their replacement helps us complete on next attempt.

Second one was on a DPS, Crypt of Hearts 1 - opposite to the above, loads of DPS, no grouping - just finish as fast as you can regardless of what everyone else is doing.

If the event was designed to get people back into using group finder, or convince people that using group finder is good and can be fun, this is not going to accomplish that.

To turn the 2 runs into a positive experience, I did get an Imperial War Horse from the second dungeon - so happy with that.