Blanco wrote: »

They don't make anything from it

Not true , I still pay for sub and mounts and xp scrolls, from time to time. and i'm sure most PVPer's do aswell

Also we try to give helpful feedback.... Such as make another 30 champ campaign, lower pop cap for less lag, give us options...nothing extreme, Ignore balance for now just fix these simple issues.

Blanco wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They don't make anything from it

Not true , I still pay for sub and mounts and xp scrolls, from time to time. and i'm sure most PVPer's do aswell

Ok, so if the profits from it were noticeable, then why don't they take any measures to improve it?

Clearly they don't make very much from it...

OH without a doubt they make more from Pve'ers but some of us just want to play PVP. it's either that or nothing. i woulden't play if they got rid of pvp.

Blanco wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

They don't make anything from it

Not true , I still pay for sub and mounts and xp scrolls, from time to time. and i'm sure most PVPer's do aswell

Ok, so if the profits from it were noticeable, then why don't they take any measures to improve it?

Clearly they don't make very much from it...

and i'm sure the profits they would make from fixing pvp would outway the cost to fix it.

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10$?

Gprime31 wrote: »

Also we try to give helpful feedback.... Such as make another 30 champ campaign, lower pop cap for less lag, give us options...nothing extreme, Ignore balance for now just fix these simple issues.

I'm not sure which server you play on, but at least on PC/NA...

If you don't like Vivec because there's a high population, there's Shor. Shor tends to get competitive during primetime but not much during the non-primetime hours. Vivec stays competitive most of the day, so between those two servers CP PVP seems to have a decent population. I regularly play on Vivec and I do not think the campaign would benefit from having less people allowed to play, nor would allowing less people to play substantially reduce the amount of players that can stack in one place. Faction stacking happens because objectives are important in Cyrodiil, so oddly enough, its a sign that objective based PVP is in a good state that it can attract that many players to the fight.

The lag is part server side and part client side. Server side, ZOS can fix, except that some of it started when ZOS had to move a bunch of calculations server side to deal with cheaters. Client side, ZOS can't fix. I live next to a corn field, across from a bean field with lovely rural internet, so I do my best to not let sometimes crashing in the middle of a heated battle with lots of players annoy me too much.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

Also we try to give helpful feedback.... Such as make another 30 champ campaign, lower pop cap for less lag, give us options...nothing extreme, Ignore balance for now just fix these simple issues.

I'm not sure which server you play on, but at least on PC/NA...

If you don't like Vivec because there's a high population, there's Shor. Shor tends to get competitive during primetime but not much during the non-primetime hours. Vivec stays competitive most of the day, so between those two servers CP PVP seems to have a decent population. I regularly play on Vivec and I do not think the campaign would benefit from having less people allowed to play, nor would allowing less people to play substantially reduce the amount of players that can stack in one place. Faction stacking happens because objectives are important in Cyrodiil, so oddly enough, its a sign that objective based PVP is in a good state that it can attract that many players to the fight.

The lag is part server side and part client side. Server side, ZOS can fix, except that some of it started when ZOS had to move a bunch of calculations server side to deal with cheaters. Client side, ZOS can't fix. I live next to a corn field, across from a bean field with lovely rural internet, so I do my best to not let sometimes crashing in the middle of a heated battle with lots of players annoy me too much.

PC/NA. and remember when they took CP away on vivec for a week to see if it hepled? it did not. and they have done nothing since.so it's not calculations it's lack of attention, and if their coders suck that bad hire new ones. thats what we pay for!

also my choice is laggy vivec or play by myself in one of the others? cause low pop. hmmm...

Gprime31 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

Also we try to give helpful feedback.... Such as make another 30 champ campaign, lower pop cap for less lag, give us options...nothing extreme, Ignore balance for now just fix these simple issues.

I'm not sure which server you play on, but at least on PC/NA...

If you don't like Vivec because there's a high population, there's Shor. Shor tends to get competitive during primetime but not much during the non-primetime hours. Vivec stays competitive most of the day, so between those two servers CP PVP seems to have a decent population. I regularly play on Vivec and I do not think the campaign would benefit from having less people allowed to play, nor would allowing less people to play substantially reduce the amount of players that can stack in one place. Faction stacking happens because objectives are important in Cyrodiil, so oddly enough, its a sign that objective based PVP is in a good state that it can attract that many players to the fight.

The lag is part server side and part client side. Server side, ZOS can fix, except that some of it started when ZOS had to move a bunch of calculations server side to deal with cheaters. Client side, ZOS can't fix. I live next to a corn field, across from a bean field with lovely rural internet, so I do my best to not let sometimes crashing in the middle of a heated battle with lots of players annoy me too much.

PC/NA. and remember when they took CP away on vivec for a week to see if it hepled? it did not. and they have done nothing since.so it's not calculations it's lack of attention, and if their coders suck that bad hire new ones. thats what we pay for!

also my choice is laggy vivec or play by myself in one of the others? cause low pop. hmmm...

LOL, yes I remember that week! Especially when the servers broke towards the end of the week and we were all joking that apparently CP in PVP makes the servers work better.

I mention the calculations because many of the players I know who've run since beta have said they noticed a big difference in lag after ZOS had to take anti-cheating measures by moving some of the PVP stuff that had been client-side to the server.

As for choice, well, there's really not another option. For healthy PVP, you don't want to spread out the population too much. Look at what happened when we had Kastav and Xarxes, two CP campaigns widely regarded as mostly empty, emperor swapping campaigns. I find Vivec to be very smooth during the day and somewhat laggy at night, though I understand that plenty of players find it way too laggy at primetime. Those players usually play on Shor instead. That's why Shor has a better population at primetime. Opening up another CP 30 day campaign wouldn't guarantee a healthy population, it would just siphon off players from the other two. So, unlike the No-CP population who lost their 7-day campaign, you've got the option to go over to Shor and find non-Vivec-laggy PVP over there if you don't like the lag or style of Vivec.

And i can't be the only one who lags in vivec.

Blanco wrote: »

They don't make anything from it

Are u brain dead or what?Almost every player that plays in pvp has tons of costumes,mounts,pets and so on and plus they have all dlcs including me,i did 1% quests in pve,i only do dungeons for gear so i can pvp.

But i still invested alot of money in this game,so how can u say such blatant lie.

Make PvP pay to play? 1000 crowns per Month and use it to support PvP development?

Valera Progib wrote: »

Make PvP pay to play? 1000 crowns per Month and use it to support PvP development?

If it will help to actually get something done, then yes i would

Vigor is a much needed stamina heal and an excellent counter to Negates. Prior to Wardens, there really wasn't an effective way to do heals on a stamina player without Vigor or being able to hit an enemy to proc a weapon skill. Vigor and self-heals allow players to play without healers, enabling small group play and solo play. Perhaps it prolongs 1vXs, but why should stamina players lose out on their only casted self-heal?

Siege Damage is pretty strategic. Regular stone and ballistas deal a heavy single target hit. Fire is more damaging to players, lightning drains magicka, Coldfire is the most damaging, and most of the others have different effects. If you do it right, the different siege effects can be super strategic. But on the other hand, that's why its important that you can purge the effects. Players need counterplay against siege - hence the Siege Shield and Purge in the Alliance War Support skill line. For example, I can purge Major Defile when a player puts it on my group from their gear or an ability. I can also purge Major Defile when a player throws it on my group with a Meatbag Catapult, at least until they reapply it with another shot, for as long as I have the magicka to purge.

Guards at resources - these are weird. On the one hand, you don't want to make it too easy for people to solo them, but the current build has them making magicka players have a super hard time with all the negates and eclipses while stamina players have it considerable easier. Still, I taught myself to solo resources before the upgrade to the guards and can still do it now. Its not hard. You kill the tower guards and then bomb the flag.

Heals only for group members - this basically forces people to group up or die. That's not exactly the best way to improve game balance. Ungrouped players would suffer the most, having to rely entirely on their own builds (you see now why Vigor and other self-heals are so important?) to heal themselves. Loosely organized groups would fare slightly better, but it would effectively result in massively empowering organized raids. Organized raids are groups that have healers specifically healing their group members. So if you take away the ability of their ungrouped or loosely organized enemies to heal outside of their own groups, that organized raid becomes that much stronger in comparison.