Skins For Apex Rewards? Deadass ZOS?

MakoFore · November 2017

they know most people wont buy this crap- but that there r a small group of people that will happily drop 200 dollars on it- more- cos thats how much the game means to them. this game has been wrecked by crown crates imo. its made developers fat and lazy - like giving a teenager pocket money for nothing

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

That skin is really ugly. I got mine from a free crate but I dont think I'm going to wear it.

X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Skin is awful anyway

The blood-forged skin, looks so much better...

Agreed. And the price tag is much more reasonable.

What is that thing oh my god how much gems is worth when you sell it

Lmao. Savage.

Raideen · November 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism, amirite? Ruining our favorite games. It can't just be about creating a good game that performs well and hoping it sells on those merits no, ZOS gotta make the team pump out these exploitative cash grabs left and right while the game's bugs get out of hand and and it's performance and balance suffers. They don't even hire enough people to run the game adequately but they keep making the limited staff work on this garbage!

Game could be much better if the company and investors weren't such greedy capitalists.

It has nothing to do with capitalism. This game could not exist in a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what allows this game to be made.

Capitalism and greed are not the same thing. That being said. I agree with the rest of your post 100%.

Mettaricana · November 2017

This entire round of crates suck aside from skin amd mount all looks like garbage

Iselin · November 2017

Getting something for (next to) nothing is the pitch that con men have been using for thousands of years... it works obviously.

Slick_007 · November 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

But, I can’t support ZOS anymore. Not after seeing that they put a skin in the crates.

so it was fine when the crates contained cosmetic items, but now it contains another cosmetic item, its not.
you know where the door is. give us your loot on the way out

this thread brought to you by another fake rager who claims they cant support the game anymore but will not only still play it, but still pay for eso+ ie support it.

TheNuminous1 · November 2017

The lingo in your post disables my ability to take you seriously. all i got from this was buy more crates

teiselaise · November 2017

Problem is as always, nothing's happens as long as we keep buying, would love to see a cut down on crown crates, but it's not happening before we stop buying

Suprise, we don't!

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

But, I can’t support ZOS anymore. Not after seeing that they put a skin in the crates.

so it was fine when the crates contained cosmetic items, but now it contains another cosmetic item, its not.
you know where the door is. give us your loot on the way out

this thread brought to you by another fake rager who claims they cant support the game anymore but will not only still play it, but still pay for eso+ ie support it.

With an attitude and mindset like that, you’d fit right on in with ZOS staff. Matter of a fact, I believe it was either Matt or Rich who told the entire player base that if they had a problem with how they did things? They didn’t have to play their game. Yep. A dev really said something that arrogant. And here we are now with players parroting that disgraceful nonsense.

So tell me something... Even though you know absolutely nothing about me outside of this game, let alone this forum — you truly feel you have the right to insult me? You feel as though you have the right to call me fake? And a “fake rager” at that, even though I have no clue WTF that even is. Lol. Is that right...? And all because I called ZOS out on their bs yet again, but specifically for their predatory practices which have finally irked my nerves.

Boy, I tell ya... Some of the players on these forums, and devs/staff alike have some real MF’ing balls. Ole’ cocky and dogmatic head-ass cat’s on these forums. But you know what? I’m going to excuse you for that. I’m going to take your words with a grain of salt, and excuse your flame-induced little outburst. Just because 1 person makes an ass of themselves, doesn’t mean I have to as well.

Although, I will leave you with this. You can take these words however which way you want to, as honestly IDGAF how you interpret them. But, you should really mind how you talk to others both offline and online. Just because you’re sitting behind a keyboard, and hiding behind a string of 1’s and 0’s doesn’t make it okay to go about insulting others. Especially those who you truly not only know nothing of, but probably would want no parts to. I’m going to leave it at that. Make of it what you will, or simply ignore it. Just understand that not everyone is playing all the time, and takes things so lightly.

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

The lingo in your post disables my ability to take you seriously. all i got from this was buy more crates

Okay then. By all means, continue throwing your cash at ZOS. Continue supporting the predatory behavior they are exhibiting. It’s not my cash after all. So if you want to do so, by all means. Make sure you make a thread about it too, and or a video of you doing so. Take pride in it, and be boastful even. I don’t mind.

Loc2262 · November 2017

Next step: Access to a new dungeon exclusive to crown crates.
Then: Maelstrom and perfected asylum weapons in crown crates.
And finally: Access to a new class exclusive to crown crates.

Sounds like a joke right now, but when it comes true a year from now, remember this post (the same way that the Simpsons predicted Donald Trump.)

NordSwordnBoard · November 2017

C'mon man, don't be the guy who smokes, quits, and then goes back to the smoker's circle scolding everyone about lung disease... Leave 'em be, and be satisfied you quit. If they want to quit too, they'll ask you for advice.

In the original post, you call out and blame the ESO community for this problem, a problem to which you admittedly contributed. There's a dedicated boycott group (the P.A.W.S. folks) against this - and they couldn't stop it.

I don't think you should be blaming the player community for something they can't control. I have no problem with you venting on the forums, I just don't think crates existing are the players' fault.

Kiralyn2000 · November 2017

Loc2262 wrote: »

Next step: Access to a new dungeon exclusive to crown crates.
Then: Maelstrom and perfected asylum weapons in crown crates.
And finally: Access to a new class exclusive to crown crates.

Sounds like a joke right now, but when it comes true a year from now, remember this post (the same way that the Simpsons predicted Donald Trump.)

Not sure how you get from yet another cosmetic item to that.

None of those are cosmetic items. Mounts, skins, costumes, motifs, makeup, hair - all cosmetic. Dungeons, equipment, classes =/= cosmetic.

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Yes, it's nice that they had some skins you could earn via in-game feats, so that you could wave your epeens around in-game. But why does that mean that no skins can ever come from anywhere else?

edit: and hey! What do you know. I went looking for skins on Google, and guess what I found. The Mind Shriven Skin was originally sold in the crown store, and then was available in the very first crown crates! So..... this isn't actually anything new, and skins aren't some holy thing only obtainable by thinking you're awesome.

TheNuminous1 · November 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

The lingo in your post disables my ability to take you seriously. all i got from this was buy more crates

Okay then. By all means, continue throwing your cash at ZOS. Continue supporting the predatory behavior they are exhibiting. It’s not my cash after all. So if you want to do so, by all means. Make sure you make a thread about it too, and or a video of you doing so. Take pride in it, and be boastful even. I don’t mind.

Ill have you know I haven't spent a dime on this seasons crates! .....last season tho. and the one before that. oh ya and the one before that. and the first season.....well at least i have all those shiny shiny pixels.

Gorilla · November 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

That skin is really ugly. I got mine from a free crate but I dont think I'm going to wear it.

X_LadyPhoenix_X wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Skin is awful anyway

The blood-forged skin, looks so much better...

Agreed. And the price tag is much more reasonable.

Thanks for posting that pic. It is indeed ugly and not worth the effort or cash.

Jpk0012 · November 2017

Yeah, they do it because people buy it. I can't fathom wasting money in this fashion. Maybe in this game's heyday(because there was actual effort by ZOS)... But not today.

CheepsNSalsa · November 2017

Deadass b, me and my timbs are taking the next subway out of this pay to win city, yo.

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

CheepsNSalsa wrote: »

Deadass b, me and my timbs are taking the next subway out of this pay to win city, yo.

@CheepsNSalsa

cmetzger93 · November 2017

I agree their greed has gotten out of hand. I am afraid the best we can hope for at this point is that the government does outlaw gambling crates and would thereby force ZOS to find a new (hopefully less predatory) way to monetize the game.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This is just getting out of hand now. I understand that a skin is merely a cosmetic, and therefore isn’t mandatory in any form or fashion. However, the greed is just becoming beyond ridiculous.

I admit that in the past I had supported crown crates, by going about purchasing them. Even though, I truly wasn’t a fan of them being apart of the game anyway. But, I wanted a particular mount. So, I took the gamble and managed to win 2 times. Storm Atronach and Dwemer crates. But, I refuse to indulge in this bs anymore. It’s ridiculous. Obnoxious even.

Tell me, ZOS... Are you all really so desperate for cash that you are now putting skins in the crates? Even though you’re backed by crazy rich investors, and also are caking so much to do million dollar giveaways and fly players to your HQ? Are times really that rough for you all? Or, is it something else at hand. Is it as I initially said in regards to you all’s greed? Because honestly, you’re looking worse than Blizzard right now. And Overwatch’s rewards are literally loot boxes. But, you are given a chance every week to earn 3 of them. Plus, you are given a loot box whenever you level up. As well as for completing other tasks. But this? This I can’t defend. This I can’t give a pass too. This is on par with EA, or perhaps even worse. The only difference being that it isn’t full blown P2W, and so far is only cosmetics. And I’m disgusted in you all at ZOS.

Let’s pause for a moment, and analyze something. It costs $39.99 USD for 5,500 crowns. M’kay? That’s enough for 1 bundle of 15 Crown Crates. Something which you have a VERY strong chance of being screwed over by, and in a sense wasting $40. Do you know what you can do with $40...? And we are just going to focus on a gaming perspective, as I don’t want to venture off into other things that you can spend $40 on. Bruh, you can buy Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5+2.5 Remix for $40. And do you know what that game includes...? 6 HD and completely remastered in 1080p / 60 fps. iconic games from a very popular and absolutely incredible game franchise. I kid you not. 6 full games for a fraction of the price of 1. Literally the entire KH series, with the exception of 2 games (2.8 which didn’t come out until afterward, and 3 which isn’t coming out until 2018). That’s bananas. Yet, it cost $40 for 15 crates that you have have a high chance in getting crapped on with. And we’re soaking them up still? C’mon y’all. I can’t be the only 1 peeping the obvious cash grabbing.

I’m disappointed, in you all ESO community. Once again, you’ve let me down. You let champ down, bruh. And I can’t rock with you for that. Skins in Crown Crates...? You’re bugging at this point. And that’s fact, ZOS. And fellow players, you all are bugging for indulging in the bs too. I’m not 1 for telling others how to spend their guap, but damn. When is the bs going to stop? When are you going to open your eyes, and peep game of the obvious f***ery going on? Hmm? Y’all wilding. $40 for a high chance of getting nada, or $40 for Witcher 3 complete edition, Nioh, KH HD 1.5+2.5 Remix, Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy, etc. C’mon now everyone. Get a grip, and stop playing into the nonsense. You know it’s bad when I don’t even want to lace ZOS’ pockets anymore, and I’ve been known as a person who has always spent above and beyond on ESO (Grand Topal Hideaway buyer, Dromathra Senche buyer when it was 2,500 crowns, Linchal Grand Manor buyer), etc.

I just dislike what Crown Crates are and what they represent. Star Trek Online has its Zen (and really just went hardcore on the p2w when Perfect World bought them). DCUO has those box-key things they do. Star Wars The Old Republic has its cartel market. The whole industry has gone this road. I'm hearing even World of Warcraft has this stuff. I'm willing to pay them for a job well done but I'm unwilling to ever pay them for a job-well-gambled? I do find it odd that people are willing to shell out what they do for this stuff but it is their choice. The new Battlefront is a prime example where this ideology has gone wrong though in gaming and how it kind of represents how game producers have forgotten why we play these things. Its this whole Producer-Consumer ethos in business school that repulsed me. The language matters. We're not little pac-men gobbling your widgets (read: ***). I guess some people are but truth be told these kinds of things are the line where I stop as well. They can still make plenty of money honestly without creating the sour feelings. Its on them and its on the players that buy these things though. I can still enjoy ESO without it right now but I also worry about the trajectory. There's a reason STO hasn't gotten a red cent out of me in years.

At any regard I don't need my stuff to look magical and shiny. I've already got some magical and shiny stuff anyway. The reality is some of the plain vanilla stuff looks best, and falls more in line with the more gritty tones of Skyrim, and Morrowind.

dsalter · November 2017

the good stuff is the bait to get you to buy a ton more boxes than single sales ever will get you to spend on something they slapped together in like 15mins

ParaNostram · November 2017

Raideen wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Capitalism, amirite? Ruining our favorite games. It can't just be about creating a good game that performs well and hoping it sells on those merits no, ZOS gotta make the team pump out these exploitative cash grabs left and right while the game's bugs get out of hand and and it's performance and balance suffers. They don't even hire enough people to run the game adequately but they keep making the limited staff work on this garbage!

Game could be much better if the company and investors weren't such greedy capitalists.

It has nothing to do with capitalism. This game could not exist in a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what allows this game to be made.

Capitalism and greed are not the same thing. That being said. I agree with the rest of your post 100%.

I had a post on the second page that explains why I believe this is a systemic problem inherent in Capitalism. If you'd like we can have a full conversation on the subject in DMs?

Edit: While I agree that this game as it exists right now would not exist in a socialist or communist country that doesn't mean quality games cannot be made under such economic systems (see Tetris), especially now with the tech in existence and prevalence of indie programming.