SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

[snip].

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.

And.... Mister Emperor, pls! Stop!!! you really have to pay more attention to what you say, someone else here realized the controversy in your words. look at the post number #135

[Edited to remove flaming]

BladedMischief wrote: »

It'd be nice to have more personalization options for our characters. I'm going to use Skyrim as an example here (yes I know ESO isn't Skyrim. It's just an example)
More customisation options and more freedom would be awesome though. In Skyrim, I usually give my characters one blue eye and one white eye. With the white eye usually being the one with a scar over it. This helps with lore, and also adds that extra touch of character. It's a small thing, but the personalization is there; and more freedom to do things like this in ESO would be awesome.
Small things add tons of potential in some situations. And whilst this is just about personalization, imagine the sort of things we could do with more freedom when it came to creating our characters.
There's so much stuff you could do. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot already. But there's room for improvement, so to speak. And in saying that, room for more freedom with character creation.

interestingly I thought Skyrim was pretty lame in terms of character customization. The people models/graphics/whatever look way better than previous titles but there's such limited hair, makeup, eye, and similar options for certain races like khajiit.
I'll never understand why male and female argonians for example don't have access to the same skin color and hair (feather) color options. like what???? funnily ESO has the same problem (like no dark hair for altmer). Anyway yeah there are addable personal touches (like the eye thing you mentioned) which I think are great, but it's weird that a lot of races don't have access to them. Why can't altmer in TES5 have blue eyes?? seems like the devs just didn't feel like making those options or there were technical issues somehow.


Unrelated to what I quoted but honestly if people are going to argue that (for example) bearded women ruin immersion/aren't lore reasonable then we would also need to have character name restrictions. I've mentioned this before but I've seen unarguably lore unfriendly names like "No Scope420" or "xNoob Poopx" (don't want to give actual names I've seen obviously) and I would argue those are way less lore reasonable than a man in a wedding dress.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

[snip].

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.

And.... Mister Emperor, pls! Stop!!! you really have to pay more attention to what you say, someone else here realized the controversy in your words. look at the post number #135

Just curious, do you expect us to count the posts? I'm on mobile; maybe it shows post numbers on desktop.

Anyways, I still have no evidence against me, only claims that I'm wrong. I can't continue any sort of debate if the opposing side refuses to provide actual evidence for their claims.

here you have it, mister emperor, the clear evidence that someone else noticed your controversy.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

[snip]

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.

And.... Mister Emperor, pls! Stop!!! you really have to pay more attention to what you say, someone else here realized the controversy in your words. look at the post number #135

Just curious, do you expect us to count the posts? I'm on mobile; maybe it shows post numbers on desktop.

Anyways, I still have no evidence against me, only claims that I'm wrong. I can't continue any sort of debate if the opposing side refuses to provide actual evidence for their claims.

here you have it, mister emperor, the clear evidence that someone else noticed your controversy.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

@ZOS_Lawrence_Schick
If you are available, can you please weigh in on the above comment regarding lore?

The poster seems to think that TES lore suggests that male characters cannot wear dresses. I can't find anything in lore that says male characters can't or shouldn't wear dresses, so I think the claims in the above post are incorrect. You would know better than anyone, and hopefully your input will put an end to misinterpretations being spread about lore. Thanks.

I never said they can't wear dresses. That's ridiculous. They, having arms and bodies, are physically capable of putting on long articles of clothing. You seem to be misrepresenting every single one of my posts in order to fit your bubble-wrapped safe space fantasy world. My point, stripped to its very essence, boils down to the fact that the two genders don't aesthetically overlap except in the rarest of anomalies. This isn't an issue of bigotry, as you'd like to see it, as I have no issue with same-sex couples in-game. This is an issue of lore, and by extension, immersion. Sure, there is a single instance of a female NPC with a beard. Should your request be realized, however, half of the female population will be running around with beards while half of the male population will be running around with giant eyelashes. Are you incapable of comprehending how much this deviates from the established lore?

You've got to be joking. Read your own writing. You specifically asked for "more gender-based restrictions," and sighted lore as the reason why it's "bad" that male characters can run around in wedding dresses.

Are you incapable of comprehending that EVERY PERSON has their OWN choice with what their character will wear, or maybe even how long they want their eyelashes to look? Stop advocating for binary control over every detail of a person's aesthetic choice by making your own interpretive claims about lore.

Every person who is creating a character in this game can decide for themselves if they want to fit into the social norms of the established society around them, or head in a different direction. They don't need you force upon them how long their eyelashes should be. Every player is their own Vestige in this game.

Why aren't you freaking out that EVERY Vestige in the game is running through cities with weapons on them at all times - massive battle axes, or staves firing wildly into the air, or dueling in the faces of NPCs who are standing, unharmed in AOE attacks? Wouldn't that break lore too? How about werewolves running around in cities without any reaction from NPCs? What about 25+ players sitting on giant bear mounts all talking to the same blacksmith at the same time?

But nope... wedding dresses are what bothers you? C'mon, just admit you're pushing your personal prejudices into the game on this one, and move on.

[Edited for quotes]

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

[snip]

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.

And.... Mister Emperor, pls! Stop!!! you really have to pay more attention to what you say, someone else here realized the controversy in your words. look at the post number #135

Just curious, do you expect us to count the posts? I'm on mobile; maybe it shows post numbers on desktop.

Anyways, I still have no evidence against me, only claims that I'm wrong. I can't continue any sort of debate if the opposing side refuses to provide actual evidence for their claims.

here you have it, mister emperor, the clear evidence that someone else noticed your controversy.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

[snip]

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.

And.... Mister Emperor, pls! Stop!!! you really have to pay more attention to what you say, someone else here realized the controversy in your words. look at the post number #135

Just curious, do you expect us to count the posts? I'm on mobile; maybe it shows post numbers on desktop.

Anyways, I still have no evidence against me, only claims that I'm wrong. I can't continue any sort of debate if the opposing side refuses to provide actual evidence for their claims.

here you have it, mister emperor, the clear evidence that someone else noticed your controversy.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

@ZOS_Lawrence_Schick
If you are available, can you please weigh in on the above comment regarding lore?

The poster seems to think that TES lore suggests that male characters cannot wear dresses. I can't find anything in lore that says male characters can't or shouldn't wear dresses, so I think the claims in the above post are incorrect. You would know better than anyone, and hopefully your input will put an end to misinterpretations being spread about lore. Thanks.

I never said they can't wear dresses. That's ridiculous. They, having arms and bodies, are physically capable of putting on long articles of clothing. You seem to be misrepresenting every single one of my posts in order to fit your bubble-wrapped safe space fantasy world. My point, stripped to its very essence, boils down to the fact that the two genders don't aesthetically overlap except in the rarest of anomalies. This isn't an issue of bigotry, as you'd like to see it, as I have no issue with same-sex couples in-game. This is an issue of lore, and by extension, immersion. Sure, there is a single instance of a female NPC with a beard. Should your request be realized, however, half of the female population will be running around with beards while half of the male population will be running around with giant eyelashes. Are you incapable of comprehending how much this deviates from the established lore?

You've got to be joking. Read your own writing. You specifically asked for "more gender-based restrictions," and sighted lore as the reason why it's "bad" that male characters can run around in wedding dresses.

Are you incapable of comprehending that EVERY PERSON has their OWN choice with what their character will wear, or maybe even how long they want their eyelashes to look? Stop advocating for binary control over every detail of a person's aesthetic choice by making your own interpretive claims about lore.

Every person who is creating a character in this game can decide for themselves if they want to fit into the social norms of the established society around them, or head in a different direction. They don't need you force upon them how long their eyelashes should be. Every player is their own Vestige in this game.

Why aren't you freaking out that EVERY Vestige in the game is running through cities with weapons on them at all times - massive battle axes, or staves firing wildly into the air, or dueling in the faces of NPCs who are standing, unharmed in AOE attacks? Wouldn't that break lore too? How about werewolves running around in cities without any reaction from NPCs? What about 25+ players sitting on giant bear mounts all talking to the same blacksmith at the same time?

But nope... wedding dresses are what bothers you? C'mon, just admit you're pushing your personal prejudices into the game on this one, and move on.

What do you mean by saying that someone noticed my "controversy?" If you mean that someone saw that my view has an opposite, then that can be said for anything.

If you aren't a native English speaker and you meant that someone has evidence against me, then you are mistaken. The source you've cited states that it is unrealistic for players to carry weapons in cities. How so? Historically, people would wear weapons (arming swords, knives, etc.) and sometimes even small shields (such as bucklers) for self defense. Civilians wanted to be protected as they conversed and shopped in the town markets because crime was an issue in many places. It actually makes perfect sense that adventurers (players) would carry their arms everywhere as they have nowhere to store them on the road.

As to dueling; dueling was not at all uncommon historically. People would fight each other for many reasons; sometimes to prove who was the better combatant, sometimes for publicity, and sometimes for something as petty as an insult.

Regarding unharmed NPC's, multiple players speaking to a single NPC, and werewolves; this is to do with gameplay mechanics and their corresponding restrictions. When players are questing, they don't want to accidentally get a bounty by hitting a NPC. Werewolves are scarce as it is, and disallowing them being seen by NPC's would make them even more impractical as they already have a ticking timer for their transformation.

Why do wedding dresses on men bother me? Because the other "issues" have either historical backing or logical reasons. With no precedence IRL or in TES (until you can provide actual evidence to the contrary), it makes no sense for men to wear clearly feminine clothing. Just because this lifestyle is trending in our contemporary world doesn't mean it should make its way into Tamriel, where it has no place in the lore.

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Welp I actually did all that I could to have a "male" breton with my female char, I'm just in love with her looking

The only thing I should add (If I could) will be more earrings, maybe at nose or ears without being the female ones that we actually have.

Not to mention that for me it has no sense that the blind eyes count as beards for male characters...I think they should fix this.

So... yes! I also want more freedom to design characters

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

Whatever! Mr. Emperor, If you do not like men in women's clothes, I think this is not your place.
This is a game, in any case I would like to have fun freely without restrictions.

This is a game, but it isn't your game to contort into whatever you want. It is not your place to come and ask for the lore to be defiled. If you want complete customization and safe spaces, there are other games for that.

Uhm I think u're being totally wrong mate, if this game would follow the lore 100% there shouldn't be homosexual couples, the devs wouldn't allow us to put dresses on male characters and a lot of more things...

So... you're saying safe spaces, but actually this game is a safe space, I mean, there's no pvp everywhere, just at some places and only if you want to join or not. Correct me if I'm wrong but lore has NOTHING to do with the hairs, beards or accesories that a person can wear or not...c'mon...u just said it, It's a Game

Aaand forgot to tell you, have you did some time the questline of thieves guild for example?

Edit2: Please stop posting things about lore this lore that, that post initially its a friendly request to developers to give us more opportunities while we customize our characters, we are real persons too and it's pretty normal that we wanna see our characters pretty or ugly enough ^^

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Kizune_Denki wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

Whatever! Mr. Emperor, If you do not like men in women's clothes, I think this is not your place.
This is a game, in any case I would like to have fun freely without restrictions.

This is a game, but it isn't your game to contort into whatever you want. It is not your place to come and ask for the lore to be defiled. If you want complete customization and safe spaces, there are other games for that.

Uhm I think u're being totally wrong mate, if this game would follow the lore 100% there shouldn't be homosexual couples, the devs wouldn't allow us to put dresses on male characters and a lot of more things...

So... you're saying safe spaces, but actually this game is a safe space, I mean, there's no pvp everywhere, just at some places and only if you want to join or not. Correct me if I'm wrong but lore has NOTHING to do with the hairs, beards or accesories that a person can wear or not...c'mon...u just said it, It's a Game

Aaand forgot to tell you, have you did some time the questline of thieves guild for example?

There's a great mission where you have to find the old love of a darkelf woman, a khajiit. With this I mean that there's not only war,
lore and pain. Love is here, freedom is also here, and as I said, your robes, hair, earrings, etc... Could fit Perfectly with the lore.

Edit2: Please stop posting things about lore this lore that, that post initially its a friendly request to developers to give us more opportunities while we customize our characters, we are real persons too and it's pretty normal that we wanna see our characters pretty or ugly enough ^^

Never have I said that homosexuality isn't lore friendly. You can marry people of the same sex in Skyrim! I even explicitly mentioned at one point that my issue has nothing to do with that as there is precedent. As this is the crux of your argument, most can be disregarded, but I would also like to point out that, contrary to your belief, the lore is very important to the game. It does determine how people dress! In previous games you don't see men running around in wedding dresses. You don't see bearded women in previous games. This is my issue. It has nothing to do with a NPC's sexuality but with their appearance.

I'm not disregarding you as a person with my statements. I'm simply saying that your wish doesn't fit this game world because the cultures of Tamriel don't promote such cosmetic appearances. There are plenty of other games you can play with much more flamboyant or loose lore. ESO is no such game. While it has its fair share of lore inconsistencies, they aren't to a cartoonish measure where reconciliation is impossible. As I stated before, it is a game, but it is a game with its own world, morals, cultures, and social norms. Your requests do not fit within these boundaries, making them unrealistic to the setting.

Also, you can already make "ugly" characters, if that is what you want to do. Have at it.

All I can say to you is.. thats not Skyrim dude, and times change. If u never saw male npc's wearing dresses it doesn't mean the lore is that way. And I'm sorry but I won't understand why an earring can broke your beloved lore. We are PLAYERS, not NPC's walking around the cities.

Kizune_Denki wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Kizune_Denki wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

Whatever! Mr. Emperor, If you do not like men in women's clothes, I think this is not your place.
This is a game, in any case I would like to have fun freely without restrictions.

This is a game, but it isn't your game to contort into whatever you want. It is not your place to come and ask for the lore to be defiled. If you want complete customization and safe spaces, there are other games for that.

Uhm I think u're being totally wrong mate, if this game would follow the lore 100% there shouldn't be homosexual couples, the devs wouldn't allow us to put dresses on male characters and a lot of more things...

So... you're saying safe spaces, but actually this game is a safe space, I mean, there's no pvp everywhere, just at some places and only if you want to join or not. Correct me if I'm wrong but lore has NOTHING to do with the hairs, beards or accesories that a person can wear or not...c'mon...u just said it, It's a Game

Aaand forgot to tell you, have you did some time the questline of thieves guild for example?

There's a great mission where you have to find the old love of a darkelf woman, a khajiit. With this I mean that there's not only war,
lore and pain. Love is here, freedom is also here, and as I said, your robes, hair, earrings, etc... Could fit Perfectly with the lore.

Edit2: Please stop posting things about lore this lore that, that post initially its a friendly request to developers to give us more opportunities while we customize our characters, we are real persons too and it's pretty normal that we wanna see our characters pretty or ugly enough ^^

Never have I said that homosexuality isn't lore friendly. You can marry people of the same sex in Skyrim! I even explicitly mentioned at one point that my issue has nothing to do with that as there is precedent. As this is the crux of your argument, most can be disregarded, but I would also like to point out that, contrary to your belief, the lore is very important to the game. It does determine how people dress! In previous games you don't see men running around in wedding dresses. You don't see bearded women in previous games. This is my issue. It has nothing to do with a NPC's sexuality but with their appearance.

I'm not disregarding you as a person with my statements. I'm simply saying that your wish doesn't fit this game world because the cultures of Tamriel don't promote such cosmetic appearances. There are plenty of other games you can play with much more flamboyant or loose lore. ESO is no such game. While it has its fair share of lore inconsistencies, they aren't to a cartoonish measure where reconciliation is impossible. As I stated before, it is a game, but it is a game with its own world, morals, cultures, and social norms. Your requests do not fit within these boundaries, making them unrealistic to the setting.

Also, you can already make "ugly" characters, if that is what you want to do. Have at it.

All I can say to you is.. thats not Skyrim dude, and times change. If u never saw male npc's wearing dresses it doesn't mean the lore is that way. And I'm sorry but I won't understand why an earring can broke your beloved lore. We are PLAYERS, not NPC's walking around the cities.

I never said anything against earrings. They are relatively commonplace in the lore, especially in Morrowind. Stop setting up terrible strawman arguments that don't work because I never disagreed. What do you mean by "thats not Skyrim?" You can marry characters of the same sex there. Look it up.

You other argument which actually seems to be aimed at me is a faulty way of thinking. I could just as easily say "just because you've never seen a disco-butterflykin-ketchuppacketgendered-robot-dragonkin-spaghetti monster doesn't mean they don't exist in the lore." My arguments are based on established lore and precedent. Yours are based on a want for something that simply doesn't fit in Tamriel. Perhaps in a Shivering Isles DLC? It would actually be quite hilarious there.

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@MythicEmperor Stop!!!!!! this post is not to discuss of the lore, we talk about a greater diversity with respect to the limitations of the accessories.

Pls Stop Mister Emperor, Okya!!?

The title of the thread is "We would all like a greater freedom of personalization for our characters. True?" I'm simply saying "False."

@MythicEmperor you are an annoying person and makes the post flow in the wrong direction.