Now don't get me wrong, you need a tank and healer know what they are doing.

However when DD have no clue and don't get out of big red dumb on the ground I don't care how good your tank or healer are you're going to struggle or outright fail.

I run a lot of random normals.

When I'm on my Tank: good DPS
When I'm on my Healer: good Tank
When I'm on my DPS: good Tank

I don't think many of those DPS who queue as a tank and then can't be bothered to slot a taunt understand how much of a difference holding boss aggro makes to a smooth dungeon run (probably because they always run without a tank). Like, I'm perfectly capable of DPSing or healing without a tank - I don't deny that you can do the content without one.

But by Arkay's Beard, it's SO MUCH EASIER when someone slots a taunt and just holds the boss still. Its so much easier when the boss isn't in the healer's face and the healer has to kite. Its so much easier when I don't have to chase the boss around in order to do my aoe and single-target DPS. You want a fast run? Sit that boss in one place and I'll melt him as fast as you please!

If you want to queue as DPS to get the fastest run possible, you know what would really help with that? Slot a taunt. Sit that boss in one place and you'll get the best DPS out of everyone you could hope for. Make me chase him, and you just made the dungeon run go slower than it could have.

So I've done 4 trial runs, and the COMPLETELY random one went smoother than the other 3 because the tank either forgot to slot a taunt or we just forgot to get one.

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Why do stam chars with bows que as healers? Good healers are so hard to find. Sometimes I have to resort to self heals--but that's because I mostly pug (which is probably the problem.)

As a Healer, please since I recommend strongly. Please don't invite me in dungeons, thanks.

Hard to answer because all three roles add something to the group that leads to success.

From my experience in PUGs:

Tanks: Actually the tank itself is a rare and shy species, but if you get one the most are usually able to tank at least a boss without losing a taunt. The good tanks who support the group (pile up adds, taunt multiple adds, care for ultireg and warhorns, buff and debuff and -most important - are build for that ressourcewise) are a much rarer species.

Healers: Actually I made the most good experience with healers in PUGs. Many are even supporting with ele, bubbles, shards and in rare cases you even see someone using Warhorn, Combat Prayer or even a lighting wall. I won't rate a healer after having SPC, if he does more than 50% of the just described support, I would rate that already ok for PUG standards.

DDs: I voted that, just because of the fact on how many DDs you met in PUGs who do unbelievable low or just mediocre dps even with good support.

Turelus wrote: »

Other: Good people.

As in non-elitist, judgemental, know it all etc. people.

Agreed. More good people willing to help new players out. I don't mind if you haven't done this before, I mind if you don't tell me that more so. We're all new at some point.

We have a winner! Good damage is hardest to find!

I chose DPS since I only queue up for dungeons with my 2 RL friends (Tank & Healer) so we got that covered. It's always fun when I'm doing 70% of the group DPS.

I'm indifferent with dps. If I'm on a geared toon the other dps isn't much of a concern. A bad support player can ruin things though.

Tasear wrote: »

SEE.... healers are under appreciated. But voted tank cause it's easier for good dd or even exceptional dd... they pm all the time (healer life ). Now on the other hand.... exceptional tanks are just too rare. The ones who keep arrgo in line, edudure and sustain. Swap gear depending on situation... so basically the ones who do more than puncture.

I can agree on that, with my Were-Warden, whenever I am outside of werewolf form (Main form of DPS), I do most of my DPS on my Dual Wield Main bar, But on my Sword & Shield back bar (Main form of Tanking), I use a variety of Pierce Armor for taunting (and reducing an enemies resistances), "Leeching Vines" to apply Minor Lifesteal to Enemies (Particularly the taunted enemies as well.) who attack my Character, And "Winters Revenge" to Pile on the frost damage to multiple foes at once as minor lifesteal is more effective when facing larger mobs, resulting in mass healing which eases a fair bit of stress on the healer as anyone in the group with a good DPS AoE move will also benefit from the minor lifesteal against massive hordes of mobs.

In Short: It is hard to find mostly Good Tanks AND Healers (& I usually have a lot of appreciation for the other good tanks and healers for the hard work they put into their roles.)