Do you think the EA star wars battlefront loot crate crisis will affect other games including ESO?

shadoza · November 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm sure most of you heard about the loot crate p2w outrage with star wars battlefront II. EA has now remove all real money transaction and is working on adjusting the loot crate system.

The outrage was so big that governments like Belgium and Hawaii now are investigating the gambling part about loot crates and is considering laws against it. It seems like a matter of time before other governments follow.

I'm glad this is happening since all games now were starting to use this system including ESO because it takes advantage of people's gambling addictions. It doesnt have to be p2w to be gambling also so even if it is cosmetic like ESO it will still be affected by gambling laws.

What do you guys think about this issue? do you think this will affect ESO?

I am already tired of hearing about this issue that is a NON-issue at this point.

I will say my OPINION:
For those that do not like paying for "loot crates" they should not purchase them.
For those that blame the game for their lacking in self-discipline, perhaps you are not yet mature enough to play this game.
For those that think that the game companies will suddenly hand you everything for free that was previously found in crates: never going to happen.

LadyDestiny · November 2017

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm sure most of you heard about the loot crate p2w outrage with star wars battlefront II. EA has now remove all real money transaction and is working on adjusting the loot crate system.

The outrage was so big that governments like Belgium and Hawaii now are investigating the gambling part about loot crates and is considering laws against it. It seems like a matter of time before other governments follow.

I'm glad this is happening since all games now were starting to use this system including ESO because it takes advantage of people's gambling addictions. It doesnt have to be p2w to be gambling also so even if it is cosmetic like ESO it will still be affected by gambling laws.

What do you guys think about this issue? do you think this will affect ESO?

I am glad this is happening as well. I hope ptw goes out the door and just focus on paying for any extra cosmetics, mounts etc., that you know you are getting. Done with this gambling on stupid crates with low drop chance in ANY game. Not just Eso......

Slick_007 · November 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Mmmmm this thing of saying ESO is FREE TO PLAY is not exactly the truth if you think about it.

ESO is the only MMO I play.

So I still have to pay for PS Plus or NO ESO and then there’s the crafting bag, so yeah for me ESO is far from FREE TO PLAY.

really? really? thats your argument? you buy it, and thats the LAST time you have to pay to play it. IT IS FREE TO PLAY.
Your choice to use PS which has its own subscription cost.
Your choice to get the crafting bag.
neither one of YOUR CHOICES make this game not free to play.

Slick_007 · November 2017

umagon wrote: »

I purchased orsinium only because it was required to get v160 materials at the time. And I haven’t purchased any other dlc, nor will I until the bugs get resolved, performance increased and the item acquisition times get lowered to something more tolerable.

Also, I prefer direct purchasing of dlc, cosmetic items, and quality of life items; the key thing they have to make something I want. And crown crates are not something I want.

you dont support the game, yet you want to dictate what those people who do support the game, can and cant do inside it?
iv spent far more money on this game than you. very little of that was crates but those crowns went somewhere nevertheless. And you, who refuses to spend any money on it, what gives you the right to dictate what i can do?

starkerealm wrote: »

You want to say that you can handle it, and that the prospect of buying a random goodie bag is worthwhile for you... okay, cool, fine, good for you.

Problem is, this is a real issue many players face. It's not because they're stupid. It's not because they're weak willed. It's because they are addicted.

The Crown Crates may not be an issue for you, but for them it is immediately harmful.

so anyone who came into the game while crates were already a thing should leave then right? a gambling addicted person doesnt walk into a casino and demand they stop all gambling because they have an issue, and want to eat at the restaurant without temptation. The addictee goes elsewhere where there is no temptation. or they deal with it.

If the person was here before crates, yes, thats a different story. When were crates intoduced anyway?

silky_soft · November 2017

RavenSworn wrote: »

Heads up, France and Australia are getting into the loot box investigation issue.

http://www.pcgamer.com/australian-gambling-analyst-says-loot-boxes-constitute-gambling-by-legal-definition/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-battlefront-2-french-senator-writes-lett/1100-6455112/

RIP illegal gambling crates. We said this at the very start that it was going to end this way.

Australia is very proactive at being a nanny state. All you got to do is trigger those lefties and there will be riots at your local organic food store the next day.

Huyen · November 2017

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

I hope Zos gets affected by this. We could finally be free of scam crates, being able to buy plainly what we want!

ZoS wont be affected by this, and the reason is pretty simple. EA with Battlefront 2 made the mistake to put key-characters between 2 walls: playtime, and paid boxes. ESO only has cosmetics inside those boxes, wich arent gamebreaking. If they want to ban lootboxes because the RGN, then they have to ban any game out there, because even the combatsystem runs on RNG these days.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2017

Jimmy wrote: »

I am a fan of ZOS and everything they have done with ESO.... BUT.... I think their crown crates is a despicable, cowardly, scummish cash grab that is inexcusable and I hope they get busted for providing gambling for real life money in their video game. Because that is what it is, gambling. Shame on your ZOS for blatantly taking advantage, and in a way, abusing your gamers.

Besides that, keep up the good work

That's how most gamers feel. Unfortunately, almost every MMO uses this gambling system as a money generating scheme. They all get away with it. I think many of them feel they are stupid if they don't cave in to the pressure. That being said I'm still curious if they're paying for gaming licenses of some kind in some jurisdiction. I've wondered that about these MMO's for a while. I've asked people on games before, hopefully with a good lawyerly response but I've never gotten any. Its still an interesting question.

Iluvrien · November 2017

Caine_Carver wrote: »

I do not have a problem with loot crates overall and the ESO crown crates are really generous compared to many games. But to those that hate them realize they are a 'child' of the free play game model...a needed facet to make them work for the long run. Go back to subscription games and loot crates or pay to win models are not needed. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Emphasis mine.

I am pre-crown crates. I am pre-crown store. I am pre-B2P.

The game I pre-ordered and purchased in time for PC launch was a subscription game. Let's consider that for a moment. The game I bought and signed up to play was a game in which the only way to play was to pay a sub. It was time when the Game Director said things like:

Charging a flat monthly (or subscription) fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren't willing to make.

That is the game I signed up to pay for and play in.

You say that if crown crates go then we will have to pay sub?

Excellent. That's what I was here for in the first place. Sign me up. When can we start?

Slick_007 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I purchased orsinium only because it was required to get v160 materials at the time. And I haven’t purchased any other dlc, nor will I until the bugs get resolved, performance increased and the item acquisition times get lowered to something more tolerable.

Also, I prefer direct purchasing of dlc, cosmetic items, and quality of life items; the key thing they have to make something I want. And crown crates are not something I want.

you dont support the game, yet you want to dictate what those people who do support the game, can and cant do inside it?
iv spent far more money on this game than you. very little of that was crates but those crowns went somewhere nevertheless. And you, who refuses to spend any money on it, what gives you the right to dictate what i can do?

starkerealm wrote: »

You want to say that you can handle it, and that the prospect of buying a random goodie bag is worthwhile for you... okay, cool, fine, good for you.

Problem is, this is a real issue many players face. It's not because they're stupid. It's not because they're weak willed. It's because they are addicted.

The Crown Crates may not be an issue for you, but for them it is immediately harmful.

so anyone who came into the game while crates were already a thing should leave then right? a gambling addicted person doesnt walk into a casino and demand they stop all gambling because they have an issue, and want to eat at the restaurant without temptation. The addictee goes elsewhere where there is no temptation. or they deal with it.

If the person was here before crates, yes, thats a different story. When were crates intoduced anyway?

Crown crates were officially introduced on the 29th of November 2016. The game has not improved with their addition.

mirta000b16_ESO · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

really? really? thats your argument? you buy it, and thats the LAST time you have to pay to play it. IT IS FREE TO PLAY.
Your choice to use PS which has its own subscription cost.
Your choice to get the crafting bag.
neither one of YOUR CHOICES make this game not free to play.

Free to Play and Buy to Play are two different MMO models, just as much as Buy to Play differs from Pay to Play. You expect the most amount of scumminess from pure Free to Play. You expect none from Pay to Play. You expect Buy to Play to be somewhat in the middle.
Loot crates are the unfortunate reality of both Free to Play and Buy to Play.

As for my whole opinion on this, I will be very happy if gambling laws start applying to lootcrates. Remember laws is not the same as an outright ban. It might mean that they will limit the price per attempt, how many a person can buy in one go, what is okay to be put in as the lowest possible winning and such.

Zhaedri · November 2017

I see a pretty simple fix for this.

List every item in the crown crates with their drop chance, as well as a crown price. This allows people who like the RNG component to play it that way and get gems and random items, and also allows those that prefer direct purchase to just direct-purchase and not have to play cards with Pacrooti. Remove the non-gem-buyable mounts and put them in the list as 'Radiant Apex Rewards' and gem/crown price them very high.

This would make the gambling component optional, allow direct sales, and show transparency on actual drop rates. It would eliminate much of the anger and rip-off feeling regarding the Crown Crates.

As for those that are addicted to gambling, they should have an option to permanently opt-out of RNG crates the same way they can self-ban from casinos.

Slick_007 · November 2017

Zhaedri wrote: »

This would make the gambling component optional, allow direct sales, and show transparency on actual drop rates. It would eliminate much of the anger and rip-off feeling regarding the Crown Crates.

it would increase the anger when they see the prices of the rare items. because to make both options viable, there has to be some equality or one side fails.

mirta000b16_ESO · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

it would increase the anger when they see the prices of the rare items. because to make both options viable, there has to be some equality or one side fails.

This game is selling DLC houses at 80$ each. Do you really think that they could not sell super special mounts for 50$-100$? Plus it would be extra profit anyway. Seeing the prices some people might feel pushed to gamble for them, so you would get more crown crate purchases and those determined to buy up front, could do it.

Lord_Etrigan · November 2017

mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

really? really? thats your argument? you buy it, and thats the LAST time you have to pay to play it. IT IS FREE TO PLAY.
Your choice to use PS which has its own subscription cost.
Your choice to get the crafting bag.
neither one of YOUR CHOICES make this game not free to play.

Free to Play and Buy to Play are two different MMO models, just as much as Buy to Play differs from Pay to Play. You expect the most amount of scumminess from pure Free to Play. You expect none from Pay to Play. You expect Buy to Play to be somewhat in the middle.
Loot crates are the unfortunate reality of both Free to Play and Buy to Play.

As for my whole opinion on this, I will be very happy if gambling laws start applying to lootcrates. Remember laws is not the same as an outright ban. It might mean that they will limit the price per attempt, how many a person can buy in one go, what is okay to be put in as the lowest possible winning and such.

If it was free to play ESO would have been exempt from PS subscriptions, If was free to play DLC would be free, If it was free to play it would not have been necessary to pay for a crafting bag to put all the crap trait armour and weapons from all the sets in the game so that you are able to create versatile builds.

(Skyrim is like the first Tomb Raider on PS1 when compared to ESO and yet you could store your weapons, armour an whatever crap you had in crates or chest but behold ESO says they are unable to do this. The truth is they don’t want to do this for the simple reason: More crap=more space needed =Paying for Crafting Bags=$ for ESO

R4TTIUS · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I hope it does. I want video games to return back to when it was about making a game with great lore, environments, unique game play mechanics, and actual difficulty. This era of “games of chance” and psychological conditioning can die in a fire.

and without their source of income from crates, free to play dies. and all you non subbers either start paying, or leave. it wont be about whether or not you want to pay (for crates), you wont be given a choice but to pay (to play)

Your so wrong

Yeah this is a weird subject as basically loot crates are extra income they make in the 10s to hundreds of millions, eso have over a million subscribers, in English pounds thats 9-11 million per month in subscriptions alone, or 108-132 million a year in subs alone, then you can add a another couple hundred million in crown store sales (not including crown crates).

I can't remember whether it was EA or Activision for last year ON 1 GAME, they Made a steady 450-600 million profit, theyve even said they don't need any more profit to keep the game at the forefront, now when they added the sales from loot crates & SOLELY LOOT CRATES there profits jumped to 1.4 billion.

I will find the article about this and post it when I do so you can see.

And you believe these company's need this extra income, it's just icing on the cake.

You don't see many people complaining about paying £100 for 1 house in game because it's transparent what your getting you know exactly how much and what you get before hand.

Jade1986 · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

ConeOfSilence wrote: »

I have been playing BF 2 over the past 2 weeks and as soon as I saw the loot crates I immediately thought they got this idea from ESO.

Im not sure what game started it, but SWTOR started it back in 2012, so it was just a matter of time before it got out of control with the greed.

Lucky Bags in Asian MMOs, circa 2006 or 2007. Rose to prominence in the American Market as companies like Perfect World started picking up failing American MMOs, and converting them over.

The concept of a random grab bag goes back further, obviously, as does the abstract idea of a loot box, but selling random items like this started in Asian grind MMOs.

Why am I not surprised?

RavenSworn wrote: »

Heads up, France and Australia are getting into the loot box investigation issue.

http://www.pcgamer.com/australian-gambling-analyst-says-loot-boxes-constitute-gambling-by-legal-definition/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-battlefront-2-french-senator-writes-lett/1100-6455112/

Thats awesome, its about time people with power got involved.Loot boxes need to go and never return. ZoS would NEVER be able to not let people from australia, france, belgium , germany and some states in the US play, that would murder their game. So we can only hope we get a return to new and exciting INNOVATIVE content instead of this hyper focus on rng crates.

Jade1986 · November 2017

umagon wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I hope it does. I want video games to return back to when it was about making a game with great lore, environments, unique game play mechanics, and actual difficulty. This era of “games of chance” and psychological conditioning can die in a fire.

and without their source of income from crates, free to play dies. and all you non subbers either start paying, or leave. it wont be about whether or not you want to pay (for crates), you wont be given a choice but to pay (to play)

Part of the reason I dropped the subscription after imperial city came out was due to it killing the cyrodiil population and not wanting to deal with pve npcs in pvp areas. The only reason I came back to the game is because it was a free time space filler in-between games and I have retired from purchasing new mmos. ESO was the last mmo that I will ever buy. And part of that has to due to game of chance and conditioning mechanisms they all use.

If that amount of effort was put into making the game better as in resolving bugs, hiring someone who can actually build combat system well, etc; then I would have no problem subscribing to the game. The problem for me the is the game not worth subscribing to.

When I do login it’s same crap every time, patch after patch cyrodiil’s latency never improves, frames per second still degrade, charge skills are still bugged, loading screens are still buggy, doors only work when they feel like it, siege weapons’ targeting bugs, etc. And you want me to pay for that?

I purchased orsinium only because it was required to get v160 materials at the time. And I haven’t purchased any other dlc, nor will I until the bugs get resolved, performance increased and the item acquisition times get lowered to something more tolerable.

Also, I prefer direct purchasing of dlc, cosmetic items, and quality of life items; the key thing they have to make something I want. And crown crates are not something I want.

Crown crates can go, but the crown store will stay, except they will actually get MORE money because people like me will be inclined to spend our crowns on things that we actually want, because I would NEVER spend a cent on crown crates.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · November 2017

RavenSworn wrote: »

Heads up, France and Australia are getting into the loot box investigation issue.

http://www.pcgamer.com/australian-gambling-analyst-says-loot-boxes-constitute-gambling-by-legal-definition/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-battlefront-2-french-senator-writes-lett/1100-6455112/

Thank you for these links @RavenSworn !

DieAlteHexe · November 2017

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Heads up, France and Australia are getting into the loot box investigation issue.

http://www.pcgamer.com/australian-gambling-analyst-says-loot-boxes-constitute-gambling-by-legal-definition/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-wars-battlefront-2-french-senator-writes-lett/1100-6455112/

Thank you for these links @RavenSworn !

Not in the least bit surprised. Politicians just loooooooove hopping on the latest and greatest bandwagon(s). Makes their constituents think they're actually doing something.

This is not something that *IF* it happens is going to happen any time soon. And I doubt it will happen.

Elsonso · November 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Why don’t they keep the gambling crate like it is now with the current drop rate and put all the content they want behind those crates, but also provide the exact content for direct purchase (not gems). That way you and others like yourself can continue to support the gambling crates whilst the rest of us purchase what we actually want.

#problemsolved.

Won't work.

On the surface, it sounds fair, but for people who are trying for the Apex mounts, this be taking money from ZOS. Loot Crates depend upon people spending lots of money to get rare drops. You have to buy a lot of crates just to get a 50% chance of getting a 400 Gem Apex mount, and more to get the Radiant Apex mounts.

People got upset when they put an Elk in the game for 4500 Crowns. What are people going to say when the Plague Husk Horse is in the store for 10,000 Crowns, or more? Now, that is an estimate based on a 2.23% drop rate for normal Apex mounts. I have not looked to see if we have calculated the drop rate is for these Radiant Apex mounts.

Right now, Crown Crates are a game. They play like a game, and they are treated like a game. You collect gems and get enough of them to buy Apex mounts, if you don't get the mount you want first. It is like opening Christmas Stockings, at 400 Crowns per stocking. It is fun, they get loot, and people justify it for that reason.

Buying a mount in the store for 10,000 Crowns is not fun. Some might find the idea terrifying, and many would laugh at ZOS's greed. They would not buy it. Some of these same people might be willing to drop 10,000 Crowns just trying to get the same mount playing the Crown Crate game. Why? Because of the stocking stuffers. The food, drink, costumes, lesser mounts, pets, and Gems.

So, why should the studio waste time doing this?

Fallen_Ray · November 2017

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

I hope Zos gets affected by this. We could finally be free of scam crates, being able to buy plainly what we want!

@TelvanniWizard
Agree with you. But instead of waiting for a slow, dreadful, bribe-able, corrupt and mistrustful legal action. We can simply not buy them, the lack of sales does speak for itself and makes companies take other directions. Most of us are adults and work for companies!! Greedy, fat, voracious companies. We know how the marketing gig works.

So its up to us not to be blinded and fooled by the slogan and picture that reads: "This is your chance to get a limited edition flame atronach mount!!!!" <insert flame atronach camel, horse, tiger, guar mounts and pets with a background of loot boxes image.>

If these dreadful crates are still around to this day on ESO its because they're selling. Probably over 2000 daily so more people needs to not buy them.

Stewart1874 · November 2017

Personally, I'm glad there is a crisis. I think its been a legal and moral grey area for too long with companies such as EA taking continual liberties until we finally hit this breaking point.
The ridiculousness of what we're seeing is highlighted through single player games ramming LC's crudely into a game where it has no purpose simply because 'everyone else is doing it'. Its totally an unacceptable argument and thankfully there are some developers out there who are taking the moral high ground here - CD Projekt Red.

Hopefully we will see some consumer focused legislation come in and curb and regulate this practise so the consumer can frankly stop having their purse/wallet continually screwed by greedy publishers.

I think there is a place for Loot Crates in gaming, BUT they have to be carefully controlled and can't be seen as a way of cutting corners or to gain access to content outside of the game itself. After paying, £50 for a game IMO you have done enough. You have supported the game and are entitled to the same experience everyone else is having. You shouldn't lose out because you're not prepared to support a system of chance.

The appropriateness of the game I think should be factored in on whether LC's should be permitted also. Take Fifa for instance, packs serve no other purpose than to fatten the wallets of the publisher. No further content is created to enhance the experience. Its just a blackhole money sink that resets your progress every year! Its ridiculous.
Now consider an MMO where content is continually required. I can have a lot more sympathy with MMO's using LC's as a means to finance further content for players, whilst also keeping the lights on.

Furthermore, I think LC's need to looked at in terms of how they work. It is gambling when using real world money to finance it. In game currencies purchase with real money is a just a cynical cover up and needs binned. I think clearly displaying the true cost to the consumer is essential as well as allowing people to earn the crates through legitimate play (obviously it can be relatively challenging) - or the content within the crates.

Anyway, my poorly structured rant is over.

Lord_Etrigan · November 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

Why don’t they keep the gambling crate like it is now with the current drop rate and put all the content they want behind those crates, but also provide the exact content for direct purchase (not gems). That way you and others like yourself can continue to support the gambling crates whilst the rest of us purchase what we actually want.

#problemsolved.

Won't work.

On the surface, it sounds fair, but for people who are trying for the Apex mounts, this be taking money from ZOS. Loot Crates depend upon people spending lots of money to get rare drops. You have to buy a lot of crates just to get a 50% chance of getting a 400 Gem Apex mount, and more to get the Radiant Apex mounts.

People got upset when they put an Elk in the game for 4500 Crowns. What are people going to say when the Plague Husk Horse is in the store for 10,000 Crowns, or more? Now, that is an estimate based on a 2.23% drop rate for normal Apex mounts. I have not looked to see if we have calculated the drop rate is for these Radiant Apex mounts.

Right now, Crown Crates are a game. They play like a game, and they are treated like a game. You collect gems and get enough of them to buy Apex mounts, if you don't get the mount you want first. It is like opening Christmas Stockings, at 400 Crowns per stocking. It is fun, they get loot, and people justify it for that reason.

Buying a mount in the store for 10,000 Crowns is not fun. Some might find the idea terrifying, and many would laugh at ZOS's greed. They would not buy it. Some of these same people might be willing to drop 10,000 Crowns just trying to get the same mount playing the Crown Crate game. Why? Because of the stocking stuffers. The food, drink, costumes, lesser mounts, pets, and Gems.

So, why should the studio waste time doing this?

I fully agree with you that people don't want to pay 10k for a mount, but yet they do by spending it on crates and still they don't get the mount.

I rather look at a 10k mount in store and say "No freaking way am I spending that on a mount" and have a choice if I want to spend that or not whereas on crates where I have no choice in the matter on the crap being passed down to me and I have to sit there with a smile and say "Oooooh look, for my 10k I get 5 nixhounds and stamina recovery potions"!

Prof_Bawbag · November 2017

People who think they are supporting this game buying crown crates are truly deluded. There's nothing anywhere in the game that shows the game has improved since their implementation. We're getting the same support now which we were getting pre crates. All that money is going to the parent company.

I really couldn't care less about CC's one way or the other as it's all cosmetic fluff, so I have no real axe to grind either way. however, it's naivety at best to think CC's are helping us all get a better experience.

mirta000b16_ESO · November 2017

Lord_Etrigan wrote: »

If it was free to play ESO would have been exempt from PS subscriptions, If was free to play DLC would be free, If it was free to play it would not have been necessary to pay for a crafting bag to put all the crap trait armour and weapons from all the sets in the game so that you are able to create versatile builds.

(Skyrim is like the first Tomb Raider on PS1 when compared to ESO and yet you could store your weapons, armour an whatever crap you had in crates or chest but behold ESO says they are unable to do this. The truth is they don’t want to do this for the simple reason: More crap=more space needed =Paying for Crafting Bags=$ for ESO

In MMO terms F2P means no entry fee. It does not mean actually free. Plenty of free to play games will make you pay to be able to do content and will make you pay for space. Some are so pay to win that they will make you pay for otherwise unavailable combat bonuses (while BDO is buy to play, see their costume exclusive % add ons), others will limit to how much you can do a week (SWOTOR for example limits the amount of battlegrounds you can run unless you're a paying user).

Literally no MMO allows you to deposit things in random boxes. They work with server space that is not infinite, hence why limitations in storage in the whole genre.

Elsonso · November 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

People who think they are supporting this game buying crown crates are truly deluded. There's nothing anywhere in the game that shows the game has improved since their implementation. We're getting the same support now which we were getting pre crates. All that money is going to the parent company.

This is true. There is no obligation on the part of ZOS, Bethesda Softworks, or ZeniMax Media to use the revenue from Crown sales to pay for anything related to ESO. No one I know knows the exact financial structure of ZeniMax Media. I don't know if ZOS keeps the money from the game and Crown sales and is "taxed" by Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax Media, or whether it goes back to ZeniMax Media or Bethesda Softworks and is allocated out to them as a budget.

To tie "buying Crown Crates" to "supporting the game/studio" is an uncertain link.

Personally, I think that most of revenue, after bills and obligations are paid, stays with Bethesda and ZOS and is used to fund the studio and marketing. I think the studio splits the money between ESO and Project X, which is the unannounced what's-a-ma-*** that the studio is working on, when they are not bleeding talent to other studios.

umagon · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I purchased orsinium only because it was required to get v160 materials at the time. And I haven’t purchased any other dlc, nor will I until the bugs get resolved, performance increased and the item acquisition times get lowered to something more tolerable.

Also, I prefer direct purchasing of dlc, cosmetic items, and quality of life items; the key thing they have to make something I want. And crown crates are not something I want.

you dont support the game, yet you want to dictate what those people who do support the game, can and cant do inside it?
iv spent far more money on this game than you. very little of that was crates but those crowns went somewhere nevertheless. And you, who refuses to spend any money on it, what gives you the right to dictate what i can do?

You sound completely delusional. Where in any of my statements did I say I want to control what other players buy or do? I only stated why I no longer support the game financially.

starkerealm · November 2017

Slick_007 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You want to say that you can handle it, and that the prospect of buying a random goodie bag is worthwhile for you... okay, cool, fine, good for you.

Problem is, this is a real issue many players face. It's not because they're stupid. It's not because they're weak willed. It's because they are addicted.

The Crown Crates may not be an issue for you, but for them it is immediately harmful.

so anyone who came into the game while crates were already a thing should leave then right? a gambling addicted person doesnt walk into a casino and demand they stop all gambling because they have an issue, and want to eat at the restaurant without temptation. The addictee goes elsewhere where there is no temptation. or they deal with it.

If the person was here before crates, yes, thats a different story. When were crates intoduced anyway?

The problem with your analogy is that gambling is the raison d'être for a casino. The same is not true for an MMO.

ESO existed for over two years without lucky bags. It is not a core element of the game. It's just been bolted onto the store.

starkerealm · November 2017

umagon wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

I purchased orsinium only because it was required to get v160 materials at the time. And I haven’t purchased any other dlc, nor will I until the bugs get resolved, performance increased and the item acquisition times get lowered to something more tolerable.

Also, I prefer direct purchasing of dlc, cosmetic items, and quality of life items; the key thing they have to make something I want. And crown crates are not something I want.

you dont support the game, yet you want to dictate what those people who do support the game, can and cant do inside it?
iv spent far more money on this game than you. very little of that was crates but those crowns went somewhere nevertheless. And you, who refuses to spend any money on it, what gives you the right to dictate what i can do?

You sound completely delusional. Where in any of my statements did I say I want to control what other players buy or do? I only stated why I no longer support the game financially.

Clearly, your psychic powers aren't working, yet.

MornaBaine · November 2017

There will absolutely not be any sort of statement from Zeni on this matter. Because there's nothing they can say that will make them look good. The will change nothing unless forced to do so by law. And we're really early in that process thus far so there's no way to know what will happen yet. So cross your fingers and hope more politicians feel the need to look good for tackling a relatively minor problem instead of doing anything truly meaningful.

JackDaniell · November 2017

The age old problem of one person making money from another in unfair ways. Will the person wih the power do the right thing? Or will they continue to exploit those with less money so they can pad a slightly bigger pay cheque.

If history has taught me anything, those with poor morals dont ever change, even when they get caught.

So great to see all that crown crate revenue go back into the game (oops i meant a rich mans pocket cause he needs it so bad.) /s