UPDATED: So... about those Crown Crates in light of Belgium's ruling that they are gambling
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is part of why I love you folks. Topics from real life bleeding into the forums never cease to amaze me.
On topic, whatever change this elicits will not be the immediate gradiose effect that most people on here seem to think will happen. Change is always a slow process."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
I have no idea if their particular story is true or not, but I will say that I doubt that you know or even understand what total freedom is, otherwise you would not be stating that you have it.
Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.Edited by Cadbury on November 23, 2017 2:53PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is part of why I love you folks. Topics from real life bleeding into the forums never cease to amaze me.
On topic, whatever change this elicits will not be the immediate gradiose effect that most people on here seem to think will happen. Change is always a slow process.
I will make a prediction, and this prediction comes from my time in the industry and knowing personally many legal types that deal with this kind of thing on a daily basis.
Maybe, just maybe one or two left leaning nanny state governments will enact some feel good measurement that basically does nothing tangible. If five years the vast majority will still be buying crown crates, if they so choose.
And, I'll wave to the revolutionaries as I ride by on my season 525 Apex mount.5 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
Policemen also respect me as a person as a transwoman and dont profile, abuse their power or even *** me. So, feeling pretty good here as well.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
I wouldnt call it heavy. There are tons of very radical news sources out there. However, we do not tolerate right wing extremist hate groups , or any hate groups for that matter. Those things -should- be censored. Fyi, lived 25 of my 31 years in Germany. And in southern germany for that matter, the least tolerant, albeit still very tolerant, area.Vulsahdaal wrote: »mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
I have no idea if their particular story is true or not, but I will say that I doubt that you know or even understand what total freedom is, otherwise you would not be stating that you have it.
Total freedom is very subjective. But I can live my life as who I am without my basic human rights being stomped into the mud by radical groups around here, cant say that about most places in the US though.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
The first six words of your post makes my point.
All Western media is skewed because it shares a unified leftist ideology....you can refer back to my comment on how 1984 should be a cautionary tale not a how to manual.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, the majority of mainstream news sources are skewed heavily in a conservative , slightly right wing favor here. The CSU and CDU ( Conservative Christian Right ) have been in power for over a decade here. Human rights however are not an agenda, which some people seem to paint it as, and somehow twist it tobe negative. Also, our leader isnt pushing to silence all media that criticizes her, the US however.....Edited by Jade1986 on November 23, 2017 3:10PM5 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is part of why I love you folks. Topics from real life bleeding into the forums never cease to amaze me.
On topic, whatever change this elicits will not be the immediate gradiose effect that most people on here seem to think will happen. Change is always a slow process.
I will make a prediction, and this prediction comes from my time in the industry and knowing personally many legal types that deal with this kind of thing on a daily basis.
Maybe, just maybe one or two left leaning nanny state governments will enact some feel good measurement that basically does nothing tangible. If five years the vast majority will still be buying crown crates, if they so choose.
And, I'll wave to the revolutionaries as I ride by on my season 525 Apex mount.
And ill be laughing .
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Total freedom is having to form gangs to protect yourself from other rampaging gangs trying to ***, steal and kill you, cos afterall all, that's total freedom, to do what you want.Breakfast KingPS4 EU3 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
Policemen also respect me as a person as a transwoman and dont profile, abuse their power or even *** me. So, feeling pretty good here as well.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
I wouldnt call it heavy. There are tons of very radical news sources out there. However, we do not tolerate right wing extremist hate groups , or any hate groups for that matter. Those things -should- be censored. Fyi, lived 25 of my 31 years in Germany. And in southern germany for that matter, the least tolerant, albeit still very tolerant, area.Vulsahdaal wrote: »mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
I have no idea if their particular story is true or not, but I will say that I doubt that you know or even understand what total freedom is, otherwise you would not be stating that you have it.
Total freedom is very subjective. But I can live my life as who I am without being stomped into the mud by radical groups around here, cant say that about most places there though.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
The first six words of your post makes my point.
All Western media is skewed because it shares a unified leftist ideology....you can refer back to my comment on how 1984 should be a cautionary tale not a how to manual.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, the majority of mainstream news sources are skewed heavily in a conservative , slightly right wing favor. The CSU and CDU ( Conservative Christian Right ) have been in power for over a decade here. Human rights however are not a leftist agenda, which some people seem to paint it as. Also, our leader isnt pushing to silence all media that criticizes her, the US however.....
Agree to disagree, tell you what, go frolic around Prenzlauer, Marzahns or Lichtenberg.... attend a rave in Moabit then tell me you can be who you want to be safely. Oh and the CSU is about as conservative as the Berkeley workers party, and Human rights means all humans not just special interest groups.3 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is part of why I love you folks. Topics from real life bleeding into the forums never cease to amaze me.
On topic, whatever change this elicits will not be the immediate gradiose effect that most people on here seem to think will happen. Change is always a slow process.
I will make a prediction, and this prediction comes from my time in the industry and knowing personally many legal types that deal with this kind of thing on a daily basis.
Maybe, just maybe one or two left leaning nanny state governments will enact some feel good measurement that basically does nothing tangible. If five years the vast majority will still be buying crown crates, if they so choose.
And, I'll wave to the revolutionaries as I ride by on my season 525 Apex mount.
And ill be laughing .
But you'll still be here and you'll be smiling.
Now if you'll excuse me I must sacrifice a Turkey, Fry up some bacon, and figure out ways to increase my Carbon footprint.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!
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mirta000b16_ESO✭✭✭✭Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.5 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Edit: Sorry to those reading this for going offtopic, but handwaving away racism and discrimination doesn't sit well with me.Edited by Cadbury on November 23, 2017 3:54PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
Policemen also respect me as a person as a transwoman and dont profile, abuse their power or even *** me. So, feeling pretty good here as well.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
I wouldnt call it heavy. There are tons of very radical news sources out there. However, we do not tolerate right wing extremist hate groups , or any hate groups for that matter. Those things -should- be censored. Fyi, lived 25 of my 31 years in Germany. And in southern germany for that matter, the least tolerant, albeit still very tolerant, area.Vulsahdaal wrote: »mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Really...because two months ago I was in Berlin and two nice Policemen told me not to walk down Soldiner Street because of the color of my skin......what were you saying about freedom?
Well no nice policemen in Berlin have ever told me anything about the colour of my skin, so yeah. Enjoying total freedoms here.
The country that I'm from is highly racist. The developed Europe is highly against racism though and is helping with the refugee crysis. So I would highly doubt your story.
I have no idea if their particular story is true or not, but I will say that I doubt that you know or even understand what total freedom is, otherwise you would not be stating that you have it.
Total freedom is very subjective. But I can live my life as who I am without being stomped into the mud by radical groups around here, cant say that about most places there though.mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »It doesn't require your belief, there are people in Germany that currently deny the Christmas market massacre of 2016, Germany is anything but free these days and I have been traveling back and forth since 1982.
There is heavy news censorship yes. Being not from Germany I'm very well aware of that. However you can't say that American news are not skewed.
The first six words of your post makes my point.
All Western media is skewed because it shares a unified leftist ideology....you can refer back to my comment on how 1984 should be a cautionary tale not a how to manual.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, the majority of mainstream news sources are skewed heavily in a conservative , slightly right wing favor. The CSU and CDU ( Conservative Christian Right ) have been in power for over a decade here. Human rights however are not a leftist agenda, which some people seem to paint it as. Also, our leader isnt pushing to silence all media that criticizes her, the US however.....
Agree to disagree, tell you what, go frolic around Prenzlauer, Marzahns or Lichtenberg.... attend a rave in Moabit then tell me you can be who you want to be safely. Oh and the CSU is about as conservative as the Berkeley workers party, and Human rights means all humans not just special interest groups.
Berlin is literally the most progressive city in Germany, the lgbtq community is massively accepted there.
As for the CSU, you dont have to be a radical fascist to be conservative, they are VERY conservative by german standards.
And that last sentence. The right might as well be a special interest group in the US run by the corporations and lobbyists. So I agree with you there
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✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Discrimination in Germany by the police is far, FAR , - FAR- less prevelant than the US. And discrimination in general is much lower. Yes it happens, but at a far lower rate than there. And in my 31 colorful years here I have experienced it 0 times myself. I was in the US for 6 years from 8-14 and experienced it numerous times, and dont even get me started on the US soldiers on base here in Germany. So yeah, it exists, but it might as well not comparitively.Edited by Jade1986 on November 23, 2017 3:55PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_CoriJ Cleanup on aisle 11 please.
ON TOPIC: Youtube and my mobiledevice don't get along, so I hunted down a site with a transcript of what the Hawaii representative said:We are here today to ensure future protections for kids, youth and everyone when it comes to the spread of predatory practices in online gaming and the significant financial consequences it can have on families, and has been having on families around this nation. This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it’s a trap.
This is something that we need to address to ensure that kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough, to be able to gamble, which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 are protected from being trapped in these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online.
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We are looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit access or prohibit the sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games. We’ve been with several states as well as legislators there who are looking at the same thing. I think this is appropriate time to make sure that these issues are addressed before this becomes the new norm for every game.
I wonder who the several states are?#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
A useful explanation for how RNG works
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WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_CoriJ Cleanup on aisle 11 please.
ON TOPIC: Youtube and my mobiledevice don't get along, so I hunted down a site with a transcript of what the Hawaii representative said:We are here today to ensure future protections for kids, youth and everyone when it comes to the spread of predatory practices in online gaming and the significant financial consequences it can have on families, and has been having on families around this nation. This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it’s a trap.
This is something that we need to address to ensure that kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough, to be able to gamble, which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 are protected from being trapped in these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online.
[...]
We are looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit access or prohibit the sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games. We’ve been with several states as well as legislators there who are looking at the same thing. I think this is appropriate time to make sure that these issues are addressed before this becomes the new norm for every game.
I wonder who the several states are?#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
A useful explanation for how RNG works
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✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »@ZOS_CoriJ Cleanup on aisle 11 please.
ON TOPIC: Youtube and my mobiledevice don't get along, so I hunted down a site with a transcript of what the Hawaii representative said:We are here today to ensure future protections for kids, youth and everyone when it comes to the spread of predatory practices in online gaming and the significant financial consequences it can have on families, and has been having on families around this nation. This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it’s a trap.
This is something that we need to address to ensure that kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough, to be able to gamble, which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 are protected from being trapped in these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online.
[...]
We are looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit access or prohibit the sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games. We’ve been with several states as well as legislators there who are looking at the same thing. I think this is appropriate time to make sure that these issues are addressed before this becomes the new norm for every game.
I wonder who the several states are?
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✭✭✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Discrimination in Germany by the police is far, FAR , - FAR- less prevelant than the US. And discrimination in general is much lower. Yes it happens, but at a far lower rate than there. And in my 31 colorful years here I have experienced it 0 times myself. I was in the US for 6 years from 8-14 and experienced it numerous times, and dont even get me started on the US soldiers on base here in Germany. So yeah, it exists, but it might as well not comparitively.
Discrimination happens both in the public and the private sectors. It's not hard to believe it doesn't happen in other countries around the world.
I agree healthy scepticism is necessary, but outright dismissal isn't the right way to go about it."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
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✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Discrimination in Germany by the police is far, FAR , - FAR- less prevelant than the US. And discrimination in general is much lower. Yes it happens, but at a far lower rate than there. And in my 31 colorful years here I have experienced it 0 times myself. I was in the US for 6 years from 8-14 and experienced it numerous times, and dont even get me started on the US soldiers on base here in Germany. So yeah, it exists, but it might as well not comparitively.
Discrimination happens both in the public and the private sectors. It's not hard to believe it doesn't happen in other countries around the world.
I agree healthy scepticism is necessary, but outright dismissal isn't the right way to go about it.
Agree there. Now if youll excuse me, I too have a turkey to finish making. ( half american,
shocker I know ) However, my entire house is powered by wind and solar . Edited by Jade1986 on November 23, 2017 4:03PM1 -
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✭✭✭Stopnaggin wrote: »Alchemical wrote: »Thalmor-Nordmaster wrote: »
The comparison to Joe Camel is spot on.
It's so easy for people who are not addicted, or don't know anyone who suffers from an addiction, to say "just don't do it lol!" They have no idea how really, truly insidious and down right evil it is.
So take everyone else's rights away correct? This is a stupid argument. Because of obesiety we should outlaw sweets and unhealthy food. Cigarettes because of lung cancer. Alcohol because of alcoholics. Absolutely take away my choices because of the negative effects. I dont think so. I like having my own choices, and I don't need any politician to tell me what choices I should make. Its called free will, and as hard as that is to understand, I like it. The consequence are my own. Thats called personal responsibility, I like it too.
Maybe those who have a weakness or addiction should seek help from a professional, but taking away my choice should not be an option.
But what about when your to young to make that choice freely because you don't understand personal responsibility ???
Then your Mom and Dad shouldn't let you play a mature rated game, so bye. We are not your parents. ZOS is not your parents. Apparently your parents are not your parents if they don't keep an eye on your online habits.
Also, YOU'RE = You are. *The More You Know!*Edited by Mureel on November 23, 2017 4:03PM2 -
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✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
To be fair, he or she was explicitly responding to a point made that was indicating that, despite one poster not being confronted by police for the colour of his or her skin, that does not invalidate the probability another was
that does not mean the poster made the assumption of anyone else here, including yourself, being particularly privileged
basically the take home message is along the lines of
just because 'black' people are treated equally to 'white' people in a city, does not automatically mean 'brown' or 'tan' people are
just because a city is safe for lgbtq2+ individuals does not automatically make it safe for other races
discrimination takes place in myriad forms,
and it can be easy to ignore or discredit discrimination against other minorities
when being in a minority group that is in a comparatively fortunate positionEdited by Samadhi on November 23, 2017 4:05PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭The game is 18+, wich means anyone that is playing, and possibly buying a crown-crate is responsible for his or her own actions. So forbidding it in a country like belgium is going to be near impossible, let alone to monitor it, because privacy-rules are still in effect.
So going by what you say, Zenimax is in the wrong. Trying to defend Zenimax you are actually showing that they are in the wrong. No matter the 18+ or what ever you have said there is an age agreement.
Just like in real life, at least where I live you have to be 18 or over to buy cigarettes. You still have to show PROOF if you look under 25. You have to be 19 or over to buy alcohol and be served in bars and restaurants. You have to be 19 and over to gamble. Here is the kicker. The ESTABLISHEMENTS have to ask for proof. If you don't look of age and don't show proof you don't get served. If you show proof and the establishment doesn't agree with your proof because they think it's fake, you don't get served. Where is Zenimax asking for proof of age? How are they verifying that what they are selling, gambling what ever terminology you want to use is being sold to the correct person of age?
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
To be fair, he or she was explicitly responding to a point made that was indicating that, despite one poster not being confronted by police for the colour of his or her skin, that does not invalidate the probability another was
that does not mean the poster made the assumption of anyone else here, including yourself, being particularly privileged
basically the take home message is along the lines of
just because 'black' people are treated equally to 'white' people in a city, does not automatically mean 'brown' or 'tan' people are
just because a city is safe for lgbtq2+ individuals does not automatically make it safe for other races
discrimination takes place in myriad forms,
and it can be easy to ignore or discredit discrimination against other minorities
when being in a minority group that is in a comparatively fortunate position
Thank you, my friend for this. That is exactly what I was responding to."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »Agree. I guess It's hard to see the discrimination from the lofty heights of ivory towers.
Nice assumption that anyone here is privileged or rich. Last time I took a holiday not for a doctors appointment, but for leisury travel was 10 years ago. Still trying to save up for a studio apartment, but can't even afford to take a loan.
That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Edit: Sorry to those reading this for going offtopic, but handwaving away racism and discrimination doesn't sit well with me.
Go back to FB with this. BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!
It doesn't sit well with most people EVEN BEFORE IT BECAME POPULAR - but we don't need to blow our piffletrumpets in a GAMING forum to let everyone know about it.1 -
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✭Worst part is all the people who want governments to step in and ban this simply because they dont like crown crates.
Its like banning free speech, you might support it when thinking about racist hate speech, but when you start being censored yourself, just remember who pushed for it.
If the crates were better odds, or worked differently I wonder how many critics would change their tune. You gotta look at topics like this objectively. Your personal adjenda will only cloud your judgement.[DC/NA]5 -
mirta000b16_ESO✭✭✭✭That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Edit: Sorry to those reading this for going offtopic, but handwaving away racism and discrimination doesn't sit well with me.To be fair, he or she was explicitly responding to a point made that was indicating that, despite one poster not being confronted by police for the colour of his or her skin, that does not invalidate the probability another was
that does not mean the poster made the assumption of anyone else here, including yourself, being particularly privileged
basically the take home message is along the lines of
just because 'black' people are treated equally to 'white' people in a city, does not automatically mean 'brown' or 'tan' people are
just because a city is safe for lgbtq2+ individuals does not automatically make it safe for other races
discrimination takes place in myriad forms,
and it can be easy to ignore or discredit discrimination against other minorities
when being in a minority group that is in a comparatively fortunate position
I also don't have to believe everything a random poster says, especially when he is trying to make a point. I know Germany quite well. Germany is fairly not alike USA and most definitely not like an Eastern European country. They're very not discriminating in regards to skin colour, which is why I rather call bollocks on a story told to make a point.
To the second quote:
These words would not carry any more or less validity by the way depending on my skin colour, as I could be the same colour as the poster here and have different life experiences, which is why "don't say this unless you're in their minority group!" as a statement carries no weight.
To both:
I could tell you many things about me that may or may not be true. It would be more idiotic for you two to take my word as truth, than it would be to dismiss it.0 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Whether it's gambling or not is not my issue..it always has been the immediate manipulation of the system by publishers to change how games are made to maximize the purchase of them and unless our voice is heard it will only get worse.
Companies should take responsibility themselves to minimize the greed and shady tactics.
There shouldn't have to be laws to say clearly post odds of winning the items.
Shouldn't need a law to legislate how bad the odds could be..companies should use fair non exploitative odds especially with reproducible difital content. A milli9j dollars of course the odds are set by the amount of people who play..or by how much is spent in a slot machine to minimize loss
But loot crates have no such real boundaries..so when a company places a desired item at .002% chance..it's only to take advantage of their players.
Here's how the industry can earn gamers trust and increase purchases at the same time
1. Post odds
2. Create fair odds.
3. Don't change the gameplay mechanics to entice purchases
4. No pay to win items..zos gladly doesn't do this
5. Remove junk items so that there is a feeling of satisfaction with every purchase even if rarer items were not won.
6. Increase trade in values
7. Give rewards for loyal purchasing.
8. Increase odds as more is spent..meaning
players won't be as bummed to pay 100 dollars if it increases their chances.
9. Have more options to buy what they want straight out.
Players want to support you..support their favorite games..but not at the cost of common sense. Why throw 200 dollars your way just to get crown food in the end?
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✭✭✭✭✭I mean, you guys look at this like a game but its not. its a business. Games as a Service. You signed a TERMS OF SERVICE, they charge you for that ongoing service.
This is a HUGE corporate entity. Zenimax in fact is the LARGEST privately owned corporation in America and board of directors has one of POTUS Donald Trump's brothers on it.
Get that through your skulls. The crown crates, the crown store, the limited time B.S. - its all a formulated marketing team that pushes sales initiatives and direction to the dev team. The actual ZOS dev team is in the unfortunate position that they have to design these crown store models and effects for the game and they take PRIORITY over actual game development due to deadlines for these crown items.
"Sales drives the bus" - any corporate lacky knows this. Sales gets what they want. They make the money to sign the checks.
Get iwth the damn program. this isnt a game, its an interactive SERVICE that YOU PAY FOR. want hte prices to come down? then the HANDFUL of people that spend $300 on crowns every TWO WEEKS needs to STOP.
man im getting fired up. Im glad you guys have SOOOOOOO much money but you driving prices up and continuing the viciousness that these corporations inflict on us sheep fodder consumersRickterESO
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✭✭✭✭✭people have the money to pay $500 for Emperor. those are the ones perpetuating the crown sales. you think im making this up? wake up people. WAKE UP.RickterESO
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✭✭✭mirta000b16_ESO wrote: »That doesn't give you free reign to outright dismiss discrimination. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it less real. It happens.
Edit: Sorry to those reading this for going offtopic, but handwaving away racism and discrimination doesn't sit well with me.To be fair, he or she was explicitly responding to a point made that was indicating that, despite one poster not being confronted by police for the colour of his or her skin, that does not invalidate the probability another was
that does not mean the poster made the assumption of anyone else here, including yourself, being particularly privileged
basically the take home message is along the lines of
just because 'black' people are treated equally to 'white' people in a city, does not automatically mean 'brown' or 'tan' people are
just because a city is safe for lgbtq2+ individuals does not automatically make it safe for other races
discrimination takes place in myriad forms,
and it can be easy to ignore or discredit discrimination against other minorities
when being in a minority group that is in a comparatively fortunate position
I also don't have to believe everything a random poster says, especially when he is trying to make a point. I know Germany quite well. Germany is fairly not alike USA and most definitely not like an Eastern European country. They're very not discriminating in regards to skin colour, which is why I rather call bollocks on a story told to make a point.
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To both:
I could tell you many things about me that may or may not be true. It would be more idiotic for you two to take my word as truth, than it would be to dismiss it.
True, you could be entirely lying about having any knowledge of Germany while the other poster could be telling the truthmirta000b16_ESO wrote: »...
To the second quote:
These words would not carry any more or less validity by the way depending on my skin colour, as I could be the same colour as the poster here and have different life experiences, which is why "don't say this unless you're in their minority group!" as a statement carries no weight.
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Indeed you could, that was the point of my post.
Every single person in this thread could be white as the feet of snow outside my doorstep
and the individual could still have had the experience mentioned
Rather than presuming everyone is lying about their experiences to drive a political point,
am willing to generally give the benefit of the doubt
but maybe that is just a by-product of my own efforts at honesty,
and if dishonesty were my way of life, distrust of others as potentially dishonest would be as well"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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True, you could be entirely lying about having any knowledge of Germany while the other poster could be telling the truth
Indeed you could, that was the point of my post.
Every single person in this thread could be white as the feet of snow outside my doorstep
and the individual could still have had the experience mentioned
Rather than presuming everyone is lying about their experiences to drive a political point,
am willing to generally give the benefit of the doubt
but maybe that is just a by-product of my own efforts at honesty,
and if dishonesty were my way of life, distrust of others as potentially dishonest would be as well
Yes. The previous poster used that experience to try and automatically win an argument about freedom in Germany. You declared them the victor simply because "don't doubt other peoples experiences". This is a non argument. Media censorship was a far better argument as it did not stem from a personal experience and did not try to do emotional manipulation. We had data that we had access to and that we can verify.
Do not use personal experiences when arguing online and do not automatically accept personal experiences as truth. The moment you do accept personal experiences as absolute truth, the argument just boils down to talks from emotion and privilege points.Edited by mirta000b16_ESO on November 23, 2017 4:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »@ZOS_CoriJ Cleanup on aisle 11 please.
ON TOPIC: Youtube and my mobiledevice don't get along, so I hunted down a site with a transcript of what the Hawaii representative said:We are here today to ensure future protections for kids, youth and everyone when it comes to the spread of predatory practices in online gaming and the significant financial consequences it can have on families, and has been having on families around this nation. This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it’s a trap.
This is something that we need to address to ensure that kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough, to be able to gamble, which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 are protected from being trapped in these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online.
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We are looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit access or prohibit the sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games. We’ve been with several states as well as legislators there who are looking at the same thing. I think this is appropriate time to make sure that these issues are addressed before this becomes the new norm for every game.
I wonder who the several states are?
I was wondering that, myself.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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