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Mag Sorc PvE dps help
SquareSausage
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Hi all,
Not really done any trials for a while. neglected my sorcs rotation and gear but looking to make ammends for that.
Its generally just weapons and enchants im looking for help with.
Gear is Illambris, necro and IA with a Nirn Maelstrom Lightning back bar.
I'm using IA instead of MD as dont have a MD staff.
So what trait should my front IA staff be? Currently have precise/sharp lightning staff with fire enchant. And MS lightning Nirn staff is with spell damage.
Should I switch to infused front bar, fire enchant? I'm not going to retrait the MS staff.
Thanks in advance.
Not really done any trials for a while. neglected my sorcs rotation and gear but looking to make ammends for that.
Its generally just weapons and enchants im looking for help with.
Gear is Illambris, necro and IA with a Nirn Maelstrom Lightning back bar.
I'm using IA instead of MD as dont have a MD staff.
So what trait should my front IA staff be? Currently have precise/sharp lightning staff with fire enchant. And MS lightning Nirn staff is with spell damage.
Should I switch to infused front bar, fire enchant? I'm not going to retrait the MS staff.
Thanks in advance.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Infused front.
Nirn on Mael is better AoE, typically preferred. Infused would be slightly more single target dps, but who cares.
Infall should outperform Moondancer with a good Warhorn rotation in group.1 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So what's the logic behind Nirn on back bar, as you aren't on it long, and thus the Nirn only applies while you are on it - where Infused carries over?
Only ask as I have a Powered Inferno, and i'm going to transmute it and as its on the back bar I assumed Infused would be the best option.
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭I imagine depends on situation and how long you spend on back baron your rotation, but if you are facing lots of adds, drop LL, WoE and lightning heavy from that bar and nirn will be better as it boosts all aoes and the HA also?
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SammyFable✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »I imagine depends on situation and how long you spend on back baron your rotation, but if you are facing lots of adds, drop LL, WoE and lightning heavy from that bar and nirn will be better as it boosts all aoes and the HA also?
While this might be true the difference between a nirn maelstrom staff backbar and a MD/MA/IA staff is only 71 spell damage (200 extra from Nirn vs 129 extra as 4 piece bonus), even with both major and minor sorcery up it's not even 90 SD difference. I'm pretty sure proccing an infused weapon damage glyph from you backbar and then heavy attacking on your front bar would give a bit more damage, but that'll probably not even be noticable.
BUT this will only be true if you are actually using double lightning staffs.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nirn on the Maelstrom is indeed for the heavy lightning attack.
You wanna use a flame staff on the front, not lightning. It is more single target damage, important for Force Pulse and Frags. It also makes proccing the fire portion of Ilambris easier, and the Burning status effect deals really good damage.1 -
dpencil1✭✭✭✭✭
✭@SquareSausage
Don't sweat the difference between IA an MD. I run double Infused Shock/Flame. If you cast 3-4 skills on your backbar, you get 2 procs of the Flame enchant each rotation. Each enchant on its own does about 1.5-2k dps in addition to the increased uptime of Minor Vuln and Burning. You can get similar dps without the additional debuff procs with Damage Health poisons, which then frees you up to use a different trait like Nirn/Sharp/Precise.
I personally don't like Nirn on the backbar for my Sorc because I have Inner Light and my 4th set bonus on my frontbar, so I try to stay on that as much as possible.0 -
Etrella✭✭✭Nirn on the Maelstrom is indeed for the heavy lightning attack.
You wanna use a flame staff on the front, not lightning. It is more single target damage, important for Force Pulse and Frags. It also makes proccing the fire portion of Ilambris easier, and the Burning status effect deals really good damage.
This only applies if you are using a Force pulse rotation. If you are using a clench rotation is better to run double lightning infuse, applied LL and wall on back bar and immediately switch to front to applied pet,curse, heavy attack then clench.
I have personally found this to be a better rotation than the force pulse and frags one. Far easier to perform, far less chance to mess up, and I always get the same and many times more dps.
If you are running an Asylum staff then you might want the force pulse rotation, but considering you really only need two people in trial running it to maintain a constant debuff, I really dont see the point.
Anyway, who cares about trash mobs, I care about killing the boss as soon as possible. I say go double Infuse.0 -
Etrella✭✭✭
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyRQTVGU3Xs
This is running both Infuse. You can have an execute instead of inner light front bar, you get pretty much the same results. Can easily get 42k+ with someone supplying drain.
If you are comfortable with the force pulse, frags rotation then run Nir lightning back and infuse fire front, then heavy attack on your back bar.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nirn on the Maelstrom is indeed for the heavy lightning attack.
You wanna use a flame staff on the front, not lightning. It is more single target damage, important for Force Pulse and Frags. It also makes proccing the fire portion of Ilambris easier, and the Burning status effect deals really good damage.
This only applies if you are using a Force pulse rotation. If you are using a clench rotation is better to run double lightning infuse, applied LL and wall on back bar and immediately switch to front to applied pet,curse, heavy attack then clench.
I have personally found this to be a better rotation than the force pulse and frags one. Far easier to perform, far less chance to mess up, and I always get the same and many times more dps.
If you are running an Asylum staff then you might want the force pulse rotation, but considering you really only need two people in trial running it to maintain a constant debuff, I really dont see the point.
Anyway, who cares about trash mobs, I care about killing the boss as soon as possible. I say go double Infuse.
For a heavy attack rotation, you do wanna use lightning front, agreed.
In my testing, ForceFrag and HeavyClench dps was similar on my own. But the more sustain you get from your group mates, and the more damage they do, the better the first gets. So I would recommend learning the ForceFrags rotation.
Trash mobs are like 75% of a trial. If you are pushing for leadetboard, you wanna give them a thought.0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Nice thanks all.
I'm gonna try the double infused, as got a spare VMA lightning staff I'll transmute.
My masters lightining is infused, back VMA nirn, currently getting 35k solo with the clench rotation.
@Etrella very nice, ill need to practice my animation cancelling to git dat gud.
Actually, I always try keep my bars same as I'd use in trials to give an accurate number so have shield and power surge on so never have room to slot bound armaments
Edited by SquareSausage on November 25, 2017 8:10AMBreakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭XxBradeyxX wrote: »What is the bar setup for a clench rotation?
@XxBradeyxX I typically use:
Front: Clench, Endless Fury, Familar, Ward, Inner Light
Back: Liquid Lightning, Wall, Familar, Surge, Inner Light
For trials I replace endless fury and surge with bound aegis, since I'll be using spell power potions.
Edited by WrathOfInnos on November 26, 2017 8:32AM0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭This is vid of it, not that anyone really cares, but thanks for advice, 37.5k and not using spell pots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Ve0vGwunY Edited by SquareSausage on November 27, 2017 8:35AMBreakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
Vahrokh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »This is vid of it, not that anyone really cares, but thanks for advice, 37.5k and not using spell potshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Ve0vGwunY
I do care. If I do exactly what you do I get 25k though, I wish I knew what I do wrong
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Non-pet is always less dps, but it is more reliable. I know you can get 35k dps self-buffed without pet, possibly more.
For some bosses it's actually a good idea to not use pets, I've read.
Regarding a Clench rotation for that, I doubt it's effective. You probably want a lightning staff on front for the heavy attack. Lightning buffs the Familiar pulse, without it... seems like a waste.
But I haven't tested that personally, so I can only assume.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What about a non pet clench rotation?
Use these skills: Liquid Lightning, Unstable Wall, Haunting Curse, Destructive Clench, and Heavy Attacks. With Ele Drain, Inner Light, and Bound Aegis.
Self buffed expect around 36k without pets. Here's an example parse with Julianos, Mothers Sorrow, Master Lightning, and Maelstrom Lightning:
Edited by WrathOfInnos on November 27, 2017 7:19PM1 -
jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.CP690
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WrathOfInnos wrote: »What about a non pet clench rotation?
Use these skills: Liquid Lightning, Unstable Wall, Haunting Curse, Destructive Clench, and Heavy Attacks. With Ele Drain, Inner Light, and Bound Aegis.
Self buffed expect around 36k without pets. Here's an example parse with Julianos, Mothers Sorrow, Master Lightning, and Maelstrom Lightning:
That’s 4 skills, plus ele drain and double slotting BA/IL.
Fairly simple rotation of
LL-Wall
Curse-Clench-HA
Reapply curse as needed
Feels like I’m missing a skill in the rotation?
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »What about a non pet clench rotation?
Use these skills: Liquid Lightning, Unstable Wall, Haunting Curse, Destructive Clench, and Heavy Attacks. With Ele Drain, Inner Light, and Bound Aegis.
Self buffed expect around 36k without pets. Here's an example parse with Julianos, Mothers Sorrow, Master Lightning, and Maelstrom Lightning:
That’s 4 skills, plus ele drain and double slotting BA/IL.
Fairly simple rotation of
LL-Wall
Curse-Clench-HA
Reapply curse as needed
Feels like I’m missing a skill in the rotation?
@Croblasta Yeah I was just listing which skills and morphs to use. The exact rotation I use is:
LA UW LA LL Swap LA SC HA SC Swap
LA UW LA HC Swap LA SC HA SC Swap
Repeat
Replacing shock clench as needed with ele drain (every 24s or once every 2 rotations), empowered ward (as needed to survive), elemental rage ultimate (on cooldown), and endless fury (below 20% for execute)
Edited by WrathOfInnos on November 27, 2017 10:53PM0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.
Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.
For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.Breakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »This is vid of it, not that anyone really cares, but thanks for advice, 37.5k and not using spell potshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Ve0vGwunY
I do care. If I do exactly what you do I get 25k though, I wish I knew what I do wrong
You could try make a video so ppl could see you in action?
And as said your champ points OK?
Generally the biggest difference I think is managing to hit all your light attacks, I still struggle doing that so pretty sure could get it to go up more!Breakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
I think you will do better ultimately with a weapon power glyph on your back bar. When solo, front bar shock enchant is the way to go. If everyone in your raid is running lighting wall and shock glyphs, you might want to consider fire.
As to the back bar Nirn/infused debate, here are my 2 cents. For builds where you spend very little time on your back bar, infused is better. For example, I run infused on both my mageblade and non-pet sorc. If you plan to AOE from your back bar, or you split your time fairly evenly, then nirn becomes more appealing. I still like my old pet sorc rotation of doing 4 back bar skills in my rotation (LL, Blockade, Pet, Prey), so my time is basically split right down the middle. I think Nirn gives a very slight edge in that case.
As to regen/sustain, it really depends what you are doing. I personally try to heavy attack as little as possible, so I run witchmothers as its really the only way to sustain without more than the occasional heavy attack. On a pet build, witchmothers is great because you will still have really high health from the passives.
If you plan to do a heavy attack every rotation, than run blue health/magic food. People running force pulse intensive builds (Asylum staff) are going as far as using witchmothers and a magic recovery glyph. A non-pet sorc can sustain that with no heavy attacks, and in the right hands, the damage is really high. You also see these players running skoria or nerienth becuase their health is just too low with witchmothers.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 28, 2017 6:53PM2 -
jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.
Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.
For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.
ha my fault... i didn't keep scrolling and see the video until after i posted.
i tried this out though, minus the masters staff. but i hit 29k. Nothing awful but i can't seem to break 30k.
I have IA jewelry but no staff so i threw on 4 martial knowledge in its place. (jewelry and main bar)
otherwise everything is the same. I can actually get the same dps by NOT using clench. I replaced it with mages wrath and wreck the dummy at the end instead of clench every rotation. If i ever get my hands on a master lightning staff i'll try clench again.
I would assume my issue is mostly my rotation speed and letting a dot or two drop off for a second once in a while. I'll keep at it.
Thanks for the build info though!Edited by jakeedmundson on November 28, 2017 6:58PMCP690
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
.
I think you will do better ultimately with a weapon power glyph on your back bar. When solo, front bar shock enchant is the way to go. If everyone in your raid is running lighting wall and shock glyphs, you might want to consider fire.
As to the back bar Nirn/infused debate, here are my 2 cents. For builds where you spend very little time on your back bar, infused is better. For example, I run infused on both my mageblade and non-pet sorc. If you plan to AOE from your back bar, or you split your time fairly evenly, then nirn becomes more appealing. I still like my old pet sorc rotation of doing 4 back bar skills in my rotation (LL, Blockade, Pet, Prey), so my time is basically split right down the middle. I think Nirn gives a very slight edge in that case.
As to regen/sustain, it really depends what you are doing. I personally try to heavy attack as little as possible, so I run witchmothers as its really the only way to sustain without more than the occasional heavy attack. On a pet build, witchmothers is great because you will still have really high health from the passives.
If you plan to do a heavy attack every rotation, than run blue health/magic food. People running force pulse intensive builds (Asylum staff) are going as far as using witchmothers and a magic recovery glyph. A non-pet sorc can sustain that with no heavy attacks, and in the right hands, the damage is really high. You also see these players running skoria or nerienth becuase their health is just too low with witchmothers.
I tried spell damage but wasn't on back bar enough for more than one Proc so it had run out the second I switch bar and only buffed my LL and wall. I'm using fire enchant on that bar with Infused and if I don't mess it up I get two procs which is for the fire illambris Proc. I have a friend who swears she gets best result double barring spell damage glyph do its up pretty much 24/7. Not tried it though
Good info though on rest of post, thank you.jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.
Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.
For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.
ha my fault... i didn't keep scrolling and see the video until after i posted.
i tried this out though, minus the masters staff. but i hit 29k. Nothing awful but i can't seem to break 30k.
I have IA jewelry but no staff so i threw on 4 martial knowledge in its place. (jewelry and main bar)
otherwise everything is the same. I can actually get the same dps by NOT using clench. I replaced it with mages wrath and wreck the dummy at the end instead of clench every rotation. If i ever get my hands on a master lightning staff i'll try clench again.
I would assume my issue is mostly my rotation speed and letting a dot or two drop off for a second once in a while. I'll keep at it.
Thanks for the build info though!
Good compromise, ye try get an IA staff or the masters staff bro, I found masters was the best, but it was similar.
Ye I'd imagine its just honing the rotation man for what works best.
Good luck.Edited by SquareSausage on November 28, 2017 9:26PMBreakfast KingPS4 EU0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SquareSausage wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
.
I think you will do better ultimately with a weapon power glyph on your back bar. When solo, front bar shock enchant is the way to go. If everyone in your raid is running lighting wall and shock glyphs, you might want to consider fire.
As to the back bar Nirn/infused debate, here are my 2 cents. For builds where you spend very little time on your back bar, infused is better. For example, I run infused on both my mageblade and non-pet sorc. If you plan to AOE from your back bar, or you split your time fairly evenly, then nirn becomes more appealing. I still like my old pet sorc rotation of doing 4 back bar skills in my rotation (LL, Blockade, Pet, Prey), so my time is basically split right down the middle. I think Nirn gives a very slight edge in that case.
As to regen/sustain, it really depends what you are doing. I personally try to heavy attack as little as possible, so I run witchmothers as its really the only way to sustain without more than the occasional heavy attack. On a pet build, witchmothers is great because you will still have really high health from the passives.
If you plan to do a heavy attack every rotation, than run blue health/magic food. People running force pulse intensive builds (Asylum staff) are going as far as using witchmothers and a magic recovery glyph. A non-pet sorc can sustain that with no heavy attacks, and in the right hands, the damage is really high. You also see these players running skoria or nerienth becuase their health is just too low with witchmothers.
I tried spell damage but wasn't on back bar enough for more than one Proc so it had run out the second I switch bar and only buffed my LL and wall. I'm using fire enchant on that bar with Infused and if I don't mess it up I get two procs which is for the fire illambris Proc. I have a friend who swears she gets best result double barring spell damage glyph do its up pretty much 24/7. Not tried it though
Good info though on rest of post, thank you.jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.
Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.
For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.
ha my fault... i didn't keep scrolling and see the video until after i posted.
i tried this out though, minus the masters staff. but i hit 29k. Nothing awful but i can't seem to break 30k.
I have IA jewelry but no staff so i threw on 4 martial knowledge in its place. (jewelry and main bar)
otherwise everything is the same. I can actually get the same dps by NOT using clench. I replaced it with mages wrath and wreck the dummy at the end instead of clench every rotation. If i ever get my hands on a master lightning staff i'll try clench again.
I would assume my issue is mostly my rotation speed and letting a dot or two drop off for a second once in a while. I'll keep at it.
Thanks for the build info though!
Good compromise, ye try get an IA staff or the masters staff bro, I found masters was the best, but it was similar.
Ye I'd imagine its just honing the rotation man for what works best.
Good luck.
Not sure you quite get how the back bar glyph works. As long as you are light attacking on your back bar, you should be if you weave, then you will proc the enchant and it will run its full duration even if you switch bars. The fact that you spend very little time on that bar is not really relevant as long as you are getting in light attacks while you are there.
If you spend very little time on your back bar, then and infused VMA staff with a weapon/spell power glyph is unquestionably they way to get the most DPS.0 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
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I think you will do better ultimately with a weapon power glyph on your back bar. When solo, front bar shock enchant is the way to go. If everyone in your raid is running lighting wall and shock glyphs, you might want to consider fire.
As to the back bar Nirn/infused debate, here are my 2 cents. For builds where you spend very little time on your back bar, infused is better. For example, I run infused on both my mageblade and non-pet sorc. If you plan to AOE from your back bar, or you split your time fairly evenly, then nirn becomes more appealing. I still like my old pet sorc rotation of doing 4 back bar skills in my rotation (LL, Blockade, Pet, Prey), so my time is basically split right down the middle. I think Nirn gives a very slight edge in that case.
As to regen/sustain, it really depends what you are doing. I personally try to heavy attack as little as possible, so I run witchmothers as its really the only way to sustain without more than the occasional heavy attack. On a pet build, witchmothers is great because you will still have really high health from the passives.
If you plan to do a heavy attack every rotation, than run blue health/magic food. People running force pulse intensive builds (Asylum staff) are going as far as using witchmothers and a magic recovery glyph. A non-pet sorc can sustain that with no heavy attacks, and in the right hands, the damage is really high. You also see these players running skoria or nerienth becuase their health is just too low with witchmothers.
I tried spell damage but wasn't on back bar enough for more than one Proc so it had run out the second I switch bar and only buffed my LL and wall. I'm using fire enchant on that bar with Infused and if I don't mess it up I get two procs which is for the fire illambris Proc. I have a friend who swears she gets best result double barring spell damage glyph do its up pretty much 24/7. Not tried it though
Good info though on rest of post, thank you.jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »jakeedmundson wrote: »SquareSausage wrote: »My current setup, and this is with out spell pots is:
Front: Curse, Inner Light, Ele Drain, Pet, Clench
Back: Surge, Inner Light, Liquid Lightning, Pet, Wall of Elements
In trial swapping ele drain for empowered ward.
getting between 34-36k DPS solo with that setup on a dummy.
Definitely seeing best results with infused front bar with shock glyph causing lots of off balance so thanks all for that tip. Got Fire glyph on back bar to proc the fire illmabris effect.
Do you use regen food or have any regen on jewelry? Also... what about your cp? I love the idea of getting good dps without spell power pots. Super annoyed with having to use them all the time.
Nah mate I don't use regen food and no recovery glyphs.
Could go witchmothers potent brew if you struggling with regen but that would drop DPS ever so slightly.
For my CP you can see at the end of my video I posted above. Ye it is not too bad and doesn't cost spell pots, I just use trash magicka pots when need to.
ha my fault... i didn't keep scrolling and see the video until after i posted.
i tried this out though, minus the masters staff. but i hit 29k. Nothing awful but i can't seem to break 30k.
I have IA jewelry but no staff so i threw on 4 martial knowledge in its place. (jewelry and main bar)
otherwise everything is the same. I can actually get the same dps by NOT using clench. I replaced it with mages wrath and wreck the dummy at the end instead of clench every rotation. If i ever get my hands on a master lightning staff i'll try clench again.
I would assume my issue is mostly my rotation speed and letting a dot or two drop off for a second once in a while. I'll keep at it.
Thanks for the build info though!
Good compromise, ye try get an IA staff or the masters staff bro, I found masters was the best, but it was similar.
Ye I'd imagine its just honing the rotation man for what works best.
Good luck.
Not sure you quite get how the back bar glyph works. As long as you are light attacking on your back bar, you should be if you weave, then you will proc the enchant and it will run its full duration even if you switch bars. The fact that you spend very little time on that bar is not really relevant as long as you are getting in light attacks while you are there.
If you spend very little time on your back bar, then and infused VMA staff with a weapon/spell power glyph is unquestionably they way to get the most DPS.
I understand how it works but weapon spell damage enchant didnt work as well as fire does from my personal tests.
Cos its 5 seconds, I only get 1 proc of it on back bar as im not on back bar for 5 secs, so it runs out very quickly into the front bar rotation, but with a fire enchant glyph on back bar I can get 2 procs which can also trigger illambris as I dont use any other fire skills. Using shock on front bar to keep up off balance.
Just my personal experience on it. May try it again sometime with spell damage just for testing.
Edited by SquareSausage on December 4, 2017 2:34AMBreakfast KingPS4 EU0
