I'm still confused what it is people want. All we know is there are folks who want earrings on men, and beards for women, and maybe feminine Akhenaton hips for men, and someone stated male haircuts for women (I thought they had that already). I'm still very confused. What is stopping you from making a more feminine male or a more masculine female? I think that is already available and ultimately as far as I understand it that is what genders 3-64 are basically (apart from asexual and helicopter). There's a reason I suggested you pin it down on actual wants that a developer could give you. No one wants to see your *** in this game, its not that kind of game. All I'm seeing is a pointless debate here. Vivec is likewise semi-divine so he's not a good example of transgenderism as his powers far exceed that of mere mortals. The same holds true of Mephala or any other Daedra. There are of course transvestites, homosexuals and lesbians in game. There's that one Dunmer dude who wishes really badly that he was a Khajiit, and accidentally turns himself into an Argonian (ending up with the wrong tail). I'm still confused what is wanted. You need to be clear and stop complaining about people not recognizing pronouns though. I'm too old to remember them, and frankly I doubt a lot of young people will either. Stop worrying about other people's perceptions and live your life. Ask for what you want. Do what you're going to do.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I'm still confused what it is people want. All we know is there are folks who want earrings on men, and beards for women, and maybe feminine Akhenaton hips for men, and someone stated male haircuts for women (I thought they had that already). I'm still very confused. What is stopping you from making a more feminine male or a more masculine female? I think that is already available and ultimately as far as I understand it that is what genders 3-64 are basically (apart from asexual and helicopter). There's a reason I suggested you pin it down on actual wants that a developer could give you. No one wants to see your *** in this game, its not that kind of game. All I'm seeing is a pointless debate here. Vivec is likewise semi-divine so he's not a good example of transgenderism as his powers far exceed that of mere mortals. The same holds true of Mephala or any other Daedra. There are of course transvestites, homosexuals and lesbians in game. There's that one Dunmer dude who wishes really badly that he was a Khajiit, and accidentally turns himself into an Argonian (ending up with the wrong tail). I'm still confused what is wanted. You need to be clear and stop complaining about people not recognizing pronouns though. I'm too old to remember them, and frankly I doubt a lot of young people will either. Stop worrying about other people's perceptions and live your life. Ask for what you want. Do what you're going to do.

Post #75 might give you some info on what you're looking for.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I'm still confused what it is people want. All we know is there are folks who want earrings on men, and beards for women, and maybe feminine Akhenaton hips for men, and someone stated male haircuts for women (I thought they had that already). I'm still very confused. What is stopping you from making a more feminine male or a more masculine female? I think that is already available and ultimately as far as I understand it that is what genders 3-64 are basically (apart from asexual and helicopter). There's a reason I suggested you pin it down on actual wants that a developer could give you. No one wants to see your *** in this game, its not that kind of game. All I'm seeing is a pointless debate here. Vivec is likewise semi-divine so he's not a good example of transgenderism as his powers far exceed that of mere mortals. The same holds true of Mephala or any other Daedra. There are of course transvestites, homosexuals and lesbians in game. There's that one Dunmer dude who wishes really badly that he was a Khajiit, and accidentally turns himself into an Argonian (ending up with the wrong tail). I'm still confused what is wanted. You need to be clear and stop complaining about people not recognizing pronouns though. I'm too old to remember them, and frankly I doubt a lot of young people will either. Stop worrying about other people's perceptions and live your life. Ask for what you want. Do what you're going to do.

Post Nº #70

[ I want only one thing at this moment

1 zeira of the thieves guild jas a male haircut that we cannot wear on female characters despite it being on a female character fox this.

2 males all look wrinkled and hairy even on youngest they have aged looks of mid 30's they should allow softer smoother skin. Also even when no facial hair selected they still have stuble and shadow.

3 males have septum rings or nose rings bull rings etc females cannot wear them. There is no excuse for this dumb option not to be unisex.

4 chest arm and leg hair should be a seperate slider with none as an option.

5 all eye lashes should be unisex

6 all male and female haircuts should be unisex

7 males have no hip or butt slider like its there but doesnt actually change anything at all like milimeter size difference.

8 hands can we fix hands everyone male or female has hands like a 70 year old sweatshop worker.]

This will give you a clue to the basic idea of this post, if the post has begun to ramble is not entirely my fault.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

@ZOS_Lawrence_Schick
If you are available, can you please weigh in on the above comment regarding lore?

The poster seems to think that TES lore suggests that male characters cannot wear dresses. I can't find anything in lore that says male characters can't or shouldn't wear dresses, so I think the claims in the above post are incorrect. You would know better than anyone, and hopefully your input will put an end to misinterpretations being spread about lore. Thanks.

I'm not really

MythicEmperor wrote: »

If you are referring to me, I stated initially that there are instances of same-sex relations in-game. My argument was against transgender cosmetics, which wouldn't fit.

Why wouldn't it fit? Because men aren't manly enough to rock eyeliner?

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I'm still confused what it is people want. All we know is there are folks who want earrings on men, and beards for women, and maybe feminine Akhenaton hips for men, and someone stated male haircuts for women (I thought they had that already). I'm still very confused. What is stopping you from making a more feminine male or a more masculine female? I think that is already available and ultimately as far as I understand it that is what genders 3-64 are basically (apart from asexual and helicopter). There's a reason I suggested you pin it down on actual wants that a developer could give you. No one wants to see your *** in this game, its not that kind of game. All I'm seeing is a pointless debate here. Vivec is likewise semi-divine so he's not a good example of transgenderism as his powers far exceed that of mere mortals. The same holds true of Mephala or any other Daedra. There are of course transvestites, homosexuals and lesbians in game. There's that one Dunmer dude who wishes really badly that he was a Khajiit, and accidentally turns himself into an Argonian (ending up with the wrong tail). I'm still confused what is wanted. You need to be clear and stop complaining about people not recognizing pronouns though. I'm too old to remember them, and frankly I doubt a lot of young people will either. Stop worrying about other people's perceptions and live your life. Ask for what you want. Do what you're going to do.

Post Nº #70

[ I want only one thing at this moment

1 zeira of the thieves guild jas a male haircut that we cannot wear on female characters despite it being on a female character fox this.

2 males all look wrinkled and hairy even on youngest they have aged looks of mid 30's they should allow softer smoother skin. Also even when no facial hair selected they still have stuble and shadow.

3 males have septum rings or nose rings bull rings etc females cannot wear them. There is no excuse for this dumb option not to be unisex.

4 chest arm and leg hair should be a seperate slider with none as an option.

5 all eye lashes should be unisex

6 all male and female haircuts should be unisex

7 males have no hip or butt slider like its there but doesnt actually change anything at all like milimeter size difference.

8 hands can we fix hands everyone male or female has hands like a 70 year old sweatshop worker.]

This will give you a clue to the basic idea of this post, if the post has begun to ramble is not entirely my fault.

I prefer this kind of thing on the forum. This was one of the better ones. The debating just doesn't serve any purpose. With regard to the males I find it funny that you think they're too hairy. I'm hairier than the characters in game, and I've had some Armenian friends who make bears look bald. I actually thought all haircuts were available to everyone, particularly because of the npc's and such. Do you have all hair packs? In regards to age you can make them look fairly young depending on race (as in teenager) and I actually find the old age look harder to do. Then again I guess there aren't a lot of octogenarian superheroes.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

@ZOS_Lawrence_Schick
If you are available, can you please weigh in on the above comment regarding lore?

The poster seems to think that TES lore suggests that male characters cannot wear dresses. I can't find anything in lore that says male characters can't or shouldn't wear dresses, so I think the claims in the above post are incorrect. You would know better than anyone, and hopefully your input will put an end to misinterpretations being spread about lore. Thanks.

I never said they can't wear dresses. That's ridiculous. They, having arms and bodies, are physically capable of putting on long articles of clothing. You seem to be misrepresenting every single one of my posts in order to fit your bubble-wrapped safe space fantasy world. My point, stripped to its very essence, boils down to the fact that the two genders don't aesthetically overlap except in the rarest of anomalies. This isn't an issue of bigotry, as you'd like to see it, as I have no issue with same-sex couples in-game. This is an issue of lore, and by extension, immersion. Sure, there is a single instance of a female NPC with a beard. Should your request be realized, however, half of the female population will be running around with beards while half of the male population will be running around with giant eyelashes. Are you incapable of comprehending how much this deviates from the established lore?

You've got to be joking. Read your own writing. You specifically asked for "more gender-based restrictions," and sighted lore as the reason why it's "bad" that male characters can run around in wedding dresses.

Are you incapable of comprehending that EVERY PERSON has their OWN choice with what their character will wear, or maybe even how long they want their eyelashes to look? Stop advocating for binary control over every detail of a person's aesthetic choice by making your own interpretive claims about lore.

Every person who is creating a character in this game can decide for themselves if they want to fit into the social norms of the established society around them, or head in a different direction. They don't need you force upon them how long their eyelashes should be. Every player is their own Vestige in this game.

Why aren't you freaking out that EVERY Vestige in the game is running through cities with weapons on them at all times - massive battle axes, or staves firing wildly into the air, or dueling in the faces of NPCs who are standing, unharmed in AOE attacks? Wouldn't that break lore too? How about werewolves running around in cities without any reaction from NPCs? What about 25+ players sitting on giant bear mounts all talking to the same blacksmith at the same time?

But nope... wedding dresses are what bothers you? C'mon, just admit you're pushing your personal prejudices into the game on this one, and move on.

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

I do not think that men are very hairy, in fact I would like my transvestite character to be even more hairy, it would be quite funny.

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

@dodgehopper_ESO
that contribution was made by another person, it belongs to the post number # 70, but if it reprecenta the main idea that I would like it to do, if I have all the packs of cosmetics, but it does not let me use all the cosmetics, because that, depends on the race and gender, that's why I would like those re-restrictions did not exist.

Someone brought it up in another thread, but the main reasoning behind not being able to give your female characters things like facial hair and whatnot is because of technical issues. The beard and such would contort the character's face/head model if worn, which is why that woman in Malabal Tor with a beard, is a man.

Idk about the flowers or different types of hairstyles, but all in all, you're better off asking for new things to become less restrictive rather than asking ZOS to fix the older hairstyles. (which they most likely won't do, sorry bout it)

About the cosmetics tho, of course you can't use certain types of those due to race restrictions. Humans are not walking about with Argonian cosmetics naturally, or Argonians with the spots/stripes of a Khajiit.

Please, what ZOS can or can not do depends on them, only they know their limitations.
Within the code of the game there are small cosmetic variables in the npc that are not available for the same race within the character creator, included if you have the cosmetic packs, in these packs there are certain racial and gender restrictions, but what about the cosmetic jewelry? Is it also a problem for the programming of the game?
and for your information, this post was created with the consent of the technical support and sent as a suggestion to the development team, why consult this with technical support? simple, to see if this could create some controversy that ZOS does not want for the TES, but it turned out that they invited me to share this with the community and seek support in this is community, making it possible for our demands to be heard, simply because there are many of them.

Never say never.

My apologies, I hadn't read post #1 (your original post) in awhile, so I didn't know it was a post "created with the consent of technical support".

ArchMikem wrote: »

kaiage wrote: »

I'm not really

MythicEmperor wrote: »

If you are referring to me, I stated initially that there are instances of same-sex relations in-game. My argument was against transgender cosmetics, which wouldn't fit.

Why wouldn't it fit? Because men aren't manly enough to rock eyeliner?

Hell I don't like Eyeliner on anyone.

I do want some beautiful earrings and beautiful lashes to complete my look.

SFDB wrote: »

I've got no problem with them altering the character creator to incorporate more gender fluidity, provided that while they're doing that they offer more bust size manipulation options. As long as I get the perfect bosom, you can have whatever gender setup you like, I think that's fair.

As long I can make my Breton men a little hairier, I'll be fine.

The racial restrictions are put in place simply because they didn't bother adding cross-racial markings for other models. I don't see why they should restrict things like make-up or facial hear, though, because it doesn't take much time to apply them to the models.



Glam rock was a big thing in the 70's. These guys are rocking that makeup and hair.

Jade1986 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

They have an ENTIRE magic speciality dedicated to changing genders and the way you look. Learn about TES lore before you spout nonsense.

Flesh sculpting if you were wondering.

Your argument would hold weight if you had an actual example cited as evidence. Based on what you've said, I can only assume you are referring to Galathil the face sculptor from Skyrim. You can't change your race or gender with Galathil, and I have no idea how the NPC relates to magic. If, however, you are referring to Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor, then your argument still holds no weight. Ibomez creates atronachs; never does he change anyone's gender.

Please, before you hurl insults at me, do a bit of research instead of making a mockery of yourself with baseless assertions.