We would all like a greater freedom of personalization for our characters. True?

MythicEmperor · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

MythicEmperor · November 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

MythicEmperor · November 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

You're spewing nonsense because there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

SilverIce58 · November 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

You're spewing nonsense because there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There's no evidence that there shouldn't be a "strict/binary gender appearance limitation".

Stania · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

Perhaps Mephala too, who is referred sometimes as a he or a she (not "they", "xir", "zi" or whatever) but is a daedric prince, so is apart from mortal's limitations.
Vivec, despite of having both sexual organs, his physique and voice are clearly manly. I've never read or hear about him being referred as a "she" or "they" (he seems to be too busy protecting Morrowind from Baar Dau to care about pronouns).

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

SilverIce58 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

You're spewing nonsense because there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There's no evidence that there shouldn't be a "strict/binary gender appearance limitation".

So you admit that there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Your argument is dead. Discussion over.

ToRelax · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

Snaehild would like a word with you.

SilverIce58 · November 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

You're spewing nonsense because there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There's no evidence that there shouldn't be a "strict/binary gender appearance limitation".

So you admit that there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Your argument is dead. Discussion over.

Why do you feel the need to insert your personal wants into a game that has no place for it?

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

SilverIce58 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

There is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There is plenty of evidence: every NPC apart from Vivec.

That's not even a supporting point. Where does it say there is a strict/binary gender appearance limitation? Just because YOU have never seen an NPC that wears whatever they want, it doesn't mean that they can't.

Again, there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Just because YOU have never seen a polka-dotted spaghetti leprechaun wizard mount doesn't mean they don't appear every time you close your eyes. What a strong argument.

You're spewing nonsense because there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

There's no evidence that there shouldn't be a "strict/binary gender appearance limitation".

So you admit that there is no evidence from TES lore to support your argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

Your argument is dead. Discussion over.

Why do you feel the need to insert your personal wants into a game that has no place for it?

If you think that then you are inserting your personal wants into the game that has no place for it. There is no reason to ask for a strict/binary gender appearance limitation BECAUSE:

There is no evidence from TES lore to support the argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

EDIT: correction

Stania · November 2017

New drinking game: Take a shot of your preferred alcoholic drink each time"strict/binary gender" is repeated. Play at your own risk.

GrumpyDuckling · November 2017

Stania wrote: »

New drinking game: Take a shot of your preferred alcoholic drink each time"strict/binary gender" is repeated. Play at your own risk.

For health reasons I would advise against playing that game. There are a couple of people in this thread who are trying to insert their personal prejudices into the game, and are trying to mask those prejudices through a made up lore argument that doesn't exist.

They need to be reminded, repeatedly, that there is no evidence from TES lore to support the argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

(Drink at your own risk)

Futura_Aeterna · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

SilverIce58 · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Mmm, well, dunmer are known to be sexually promiscuous tho.

emilyhyoyeon · November 2017

I thought those two guys standing there are supposed to be talking about the prostitute or whatever over there in that room since the guy in the black shirt says "you have to wait your turn," meaning that the guy in the red shirt is waiting for his turn and the player would be after him.

Mettaricana · November 2017

Im fine with 2 genders to pick but more freedom to tweak them to be more in tune with the players choices of look. I dont care about androgynous gender option seems poitless just unlock more stuff to be shared between male and female in game give guys eyelashes and girls guy hair cuts. Also smooth out males and allow hairless bodies woman i guess allows hairy bodies etc. But the people wanting special trans status characters are getting a bit out of control on this topic do what your gonna do.

Futura_Aeterna · November 2017

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I thought those two guys standing there are supposed to be talking about the prostitute or whatever over there in that room since the guy in the black shirt says "you have to wait your turn," meaning that the guy in the red shirt is waiting for his turn and the player would be after him.

the npc does not give any argument that refers to someone specific, but speaks to you addressing you, it is possible that he, the npc is a gigolo, an expert in the pleasure and in that case is doing his job with the elf with darker skin. (Gay alert [?])

emilyhyoyeon · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I thought those two guys standing there are supposed to be talking about the prostitute or whatever over there in that room since the guy in the black shirt says "you have to wait your turn," meaning that the guy in the red shirt is waiting for his turn and the player would be after him.

the npc does not give any argument that refers to someone specific, but speaks to you addressing you, it is possible that he, the npc is a gigolo, an expert in the pleasure and in that case is doing his job with the elf with darker skin. (Gay alert [?])

yeah, I guess the situation can be trying to convey that black shirt and red shirt are going to take the place of the other two on the bed

MythicEmperor · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

MythicEmperor · November 2017

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

New drinking game: Take a shot of your preferred alcoholic drink each time"strict/binary gender" is repeated. Play at your own risk.

For health reasons I would advise against playing that game. There are a couple of people in this thread who are trying to insert their personal prejudices into the game, and are trying to mask those prejudices through a made up lore argument that doesn't exist.

They need to be reminded, repeatedly, that there is no evidence from TES lore to support the argument in this thread that there should be a strict/binary gender appearance limitation.

(Drink at your own risk)

There is no evidence to support your claim that there shouldn't be a "strict/binary gender appearance limitation." My evidence is quite literally the games themselves, and your evidence is 'I want to be a special snowflake.'

emilyhyoyeon · November 2017

TES lore can still be expanded through ESO, the single player games, the spinoffs, and so on. It's not possible to include everything that would exist in ESO's time period at release or over some time. What we see in the games anyway is very little of what would be in the world if Nirn would exist

Futura_Aeterna · November 2017

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

Read the post # 110 there is the indirect evidence of a npc.

MythicEmperor · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

Read the post # 110 there is the indirect evidence of a npc.

You've proven your evidence invalid with your very response. "Indirect." Which is stronger, direct or indirect? Your example simply proves that rare genetic disorders exist in TES. Good job?

Futura_Aeterna · November 2017

Mmmmm...........

kaiage · November 2017

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

Read the post # 110 there is the indirect evidence of a npc.

long quote, the werewolf den where they 'save"" werewolves the werewolf you were saving was married to another same sex wood elf. did y'all forget that part?

Futura_Aeterna · November 2017

kaiage wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

Read the post # 110 there is the indirect evidence of a npc.

long quote, the werewolf den where they 'save"" werewolves the werewolf you were saving was married to another same sex wood elf. did y'all forget that part?

Oh, wow!! That did not know Ö_ö

kaiage · November 2017

It didn't strike you as odd that the wood elf said save my husband and didn't have boobs? haha jk.

MythicEmperor · November 2017

kaiage wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

I can't seem to find my response anywhere, @ZOS might have ninja removed it. Anyways, I find it bad enough that male characters can run around in wedding dresses. It completely takes me out of the game. If anything, we need more gender-based restrictions. ESO isn't a transgender simulator. I'm sure there are plenty of other games that can validate your feelings. TES has lore establishing cultures and societal tendencies. This is the 2nd Era, and, by observing later cultures from previous games, we know your ideas simply don't fit. Sure, it could happen in the 18th Era, but this is the 2nd Era. Slavery exists and will exist for a long time in TES. Do you really think that transgenders fit into the current time period? The world is supposed to be primitive and savage. The people of Tamriel are too worried about survival to invent new ways of garnering attention.

/Clap Clap Clap Clap you are unique!!
A game with characteristic of roleplay, and have more features of customization would make the game a place to share laughter with friends, your opinion counts as that of everyone, but please respect the ponion of others.

I have always thought that in the civilizations of the past we were more liberal with where to put our noble parts. And not like now that we have greater prejudices and phobias.

I'm not stating where anyone should put anything. It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine. I'm just saying that cosmetically, one doesn't wear the apparel of the opposite gender in TES. Males appear male and females appear female regardless of their sexual orientation.

This seems like a homosexual npc couple. Are you still thinking that nothing similar exists in the game?

Did you even read the comment you replied to? I specifically stated "It is clear from dialogue that homosexual NPC's exist (female NPC's mentioning their wife, etc.), which is perfectly fine."

Read the post # 110 there is the indirect evidence of a npc.

long quote, the werewolf den where they 'save"" werewolves the werewolf you were saving was married to another same sex wood elf. did y'all forget that part?

If you are referring to me, I stated initially that there are instances of same-sex relations in-game. My argument was against transgender cosmetics, which wouldn't fit.