@Waffennacht have you used http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor its very helpful with making builds and not wasting the good but I have found on paper stats isn't everything.

Waffennacht wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@KingJ 4k wpn DMG buffed with no offense set is impressive!

Stam is the equivalent of 10.5/1 for everything but light and heavy attacks

My Brass + BP is like 34/36k Stam (iirc 34) with 4k wpn dmg buffed, that's using a with DMG glyph and I think warrior mundus.

I think the stam regen is 1900.

What's your race?

Redguard master race

*Looks up Passives*
I see... My Templar is an Argonian (I made a lot of mules and I'm not about to spend the money on race change)

Lmao I agree with you on that.Not wasting money on a race change.

Waffennacht wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@KingJ
Can you replace Shade with Mist? Can you use Siphoning Strikes? Tripots instead of speed pots? How much do you pay exactly for Cloak and phase 4 Mist in medium?

I don't use speed pots use tripots or Health stam and crit pots.Yea I can find a place for it dropping shade would be my best bet.I already run atro mundus for more magic recovery because I have the stam sustain from shackle/bone pirate to be fine with leeching to be fine.I'm not a vamp not sure how much its cost in all medium.I know the extra damage from Dawnbreaker and fire isn't worth it when everyone and their momma runs Dawnbreaker EOTS or SA.

You run the atronach on a medium armor build? While running BP and Shackle? What's your weapon DMG? 2k?

Mag regen on a night blade is pretty effective. In brass/bp on my khajiit i get 3.5k Weapon damage wearing troll king and using atro. I normally use warrior but will put it on for certain uses like imperial city or goofing off in enemy keeps(dragonclaws my favorite)

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Soul Assault is one of the premier counters to the cheesy as hell Shuffle/Evasion gameplay...

You don't like Soul Assault? Well I don't like Shuffle...so we are even.

As long as I see a plethora of Shuffle users running around Cyrodiil, I will have Soul Assault ready to go to counter and kill them...

Block count to three cloak and waste their ulti lol seek and destroy after

KingJ wrote: »

Arkangeloski wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Soul Assault is one of the premier counters to the cheesy as hell Shuffle/Evasion gameplay...

You don't like Soul Assault? Well I don't like Shuffle...so we are even.

As long as I see a plethora of Shuffle users running around Cyrodiil, I will have Soul Assault ready to go to counter and kill them...

Block count to three cloak and waste their ulti lol seek and destroy after

Since when did stamplar have cloak?

Im not talking about templars... im talking about myself, i honestly dont care about SA cheese. They end up dead anyways. I would pay a mil just to see their faces when i pop back from cloak with full health and my super ready priceless...
Anyways since the poster had made a coment about sloting a "broken" ulti just bc of shuffle. Just sayin my friend there is so much undogeable dmg now days that it does not matter if you slot it or not... but there is some counter play out there but is locked behind specific classes thats all.

Joshlenoir wrote: »

I've taken 20k soul assault tooltips (while not blocking of course) from STAMINA CLASSES with less than 2k spell damage.

Ultimates scale with your highest stat. So the fact they have less than 2k spell damage is irrelevant - their soul assault will depend on their weapon damage, since that's the higher stat.

For as many times as I've had one hot me for 3.5 seconds I've forced one to be cancelled well before that time with los. It may not be the balance y'all want, bit that's a major factor in its balancing. As well as taking up 3.5 seconds of the player doing anything.

In 3.5 seconds u can drain just as much stamina and deal just about as much damage as soul assault can do with just regular skills.

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Joshlenoir Templar is meh compared to Sorc or Warden SA combo.

Curse + SA (curse unblockable)
Fissure + SA (fissure unblockable)

Sure light is unblockable, but it's on a longer timer.

Fyi to y'all, I'm the guy with the 120k Soul Assault sorc

I don't like your sorc.

Valencer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Since Stamina builds can use Magicka 100% as utility at no risk (unlike Magicka builds with Stamina), Mist Form shines for you all...

Instead of being sarcastic, how about trying it instead of being narrow minded about it...

It might surprise you...

Your idea is just bad.

Mist form cuts off magicka regen. It guts your magicka sustain. So you can start swapping gear sets to have a bigger magicka pool etc to attempt to sustain liberal use of mist form. And then what? You've basically sacrificed almost everything just to be able to reliably survive 1 specific ultimate. Why even bother playing stamina anymore then (and especially medium armour)?

You're assuming stamina builds don't "need" their magicka pools. Try playing a stamblade that can't cloak regularly or fear when CC immunity is over, a stamina DK that can't pop Igneous Shield on demand for Major Mending, a stamplar that can't cleanse reliably or a stamina warden that can't keep up his defensive buffs.

Elusive Mist is one of the best Defensive Abilities in the game...period...and it will allow Stamina to essentially block damage while regenerating stamina for 4 secs.

You gotta give to get; those classes you listed lose something, but also gain something very powerful and effective with Elusive Mist.


Oh and btw, Elusive Mist is effective against far more than just Soul Assault...

It's one of the premier defensive abilities against Destro Ult as well (as well as several other potent offensive abilities)...

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Since Stamina builds can use Magicka 100% as utility at no risk (unlike Magicka builds with Stamina), Mist Form shines for you all...

Instead of being sarcastic, how about trying it instead of being narrow minded about it...

It might surprise you...

Your idea is just bad.

Mist form cuts off magicka regen. It guts your magicka sustain. So you can start swapping gear sets to have a bigger magicka pool etc to attempt to sustain liberal use of mist form. And then what? You've basically sacrificed almost everything just to be able to reliably survive 1 specific ultimate. Why even bother playing stamina anymore then (and especially medium armour)?

You're assuming stamina builds don't "need" their magicka pools. Try playing a stamblade that can't cloak regularly or fear when CC immunity is over, a stamina DK that can't pop Igneous Shield on demand for Major Mending, a stamplar that can't cleanse reliably or a stamina warden that can't keep up his defensive buffs.

@Valencer I mentioned that twice and he ignored it and just said you have to change your build he has no clue what he is talking about and just talking about his a$$.

You are still stuck in your stale, ignorant, mindset that there is only one way to character build...

And I know exactly what I'm talking about; you are just too narrow minded to see it...

Says the person who thought sweeps were dodgeable.

I have a build focused on high magic recovery and max magic for a stam build and I can't effectively make use of Elusive mist.If I can't no stam build can.

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Since Stamina builds can use Magicka 100% as utility at no risk (unlike Magicka builds with Stamina), Mist Form shines for you all...

Instead of being sarcastic, how about trying it instead of being narrow minded about it...

It might surprise you...

Your idea is just bad.

Mist form cuts off magicka regen. It guts your magicka sustain. So you can start swapping gear sets to have a bigger magicka pool etc to attempt to sustain liberal use of mist form. And then what? You've basically sacrificed almost everything just to be able to reliably survive 1 specific ultimate. Why even bother playing stamina anymore then (and especially medium armour)?

You're assuming stamina builds don't "need" their magicka pools. Try playing a stamblade that can't cloak regularly or fear when CC immunity is over, a stamina DK that can't pop Igneous Shield on demand for Major Mending, a stamplar that can't cleanse reliably or a stamina warden that can't keep up his defensive buffs.

@Valencer I mentioned that twice and he ignored it and just said you have to change your build he has no clue what he is talking about and just talking about his a$$.

You are still stuck in your stale, ignorant, mindset that there is only one way to character build...

And I know exactly what I'm talking about; you are just too narrow minded to see it...

Says the person who thought sweeps were dodgeable.

I have a build focused on high magic recovery and max magic for a stam build and I can't effectively make use of Elusive mist.If I can't no stam build can.

Sure you could; it's a 'oh crap' ability; used to get away from and/survive a big attack and so it won't be something that you'd use in rapid succession...

Actually you can't which I already explained to you twice now.To realistically use Mist I have to pretty much not use any of my other magic utilities on any stam build that's unrealistic to ask.What you is asking me on my stamblade is not to use cloak to get a decent heal or to use fear to CC someone.I'm not running Blood spawn for that ult gen so while I still have a good uptime on incap I can't use that as a primary cc since its one of the few dodgeable ultimates and if blocked doesn't CC.

Nothing you are saying is feasible and actually works in practice even If I do use Mist which stops magic regen I won't be able to use it again because I will need to CC the target to get some breathing room and heal.If I'm facing a Magdk I have to deal with the 25% extra fire damage and if I cloak and it breaks I just wasted magica and lower my chances of using another Mist form when needed.

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Since Stamina builds can use Magicka 100% as utility at no risk (unlike Magicka builds with Stamina), Mist Form shines for you all...

Instead of being sarcastic, how about trying it instead of being narrow minded about it...

It might surprise you...

Your idea is just bad.

Mist form cuts off magicka regen. It guts your magicka sustain. So you can start swapping gear sets to have a bigger magicka pool etc to attempt to sustain liberal use of mist form. And then what? You've basically sacrificed almost everything just to be able to reliably survive 1 specific ultimate. Why even bother playing stamina anymore then (and especially medium armour)?

You're assuming stamina builds don't "need" their magicka pools. Try playing a stamblade that can't cloak regularly or fear when CC immunity is over, a stamina DK that can't pop Igneous Shield on demand for Major Mending, a stamplar that can't cleanse reliably or a stamina warden that can't keep up his defensive buffs.

@Valencer I mentioned that twice and he ignored it and just said you have to change your build he has no clue what he is talking about and just talking about his a$$.

You are still stuck in your stale, ignorant, mindset that there is only one way to character build...

And I know exactly what I'm talking about; you are just too narrow minded to see it...

Says the person who thought sweeps were dodgeable.

I have a build focused on high magic recovery and max magic for a stam build and I can't effectively make use of Elusive mist.If I can't no stam build can.

Sure you could; it's a 'oh crap' ability; used to get away from and/survive a big attack and so it won't be something that you'd use in rapid succession...

Actually you can't which I already explained to you twice now.To realistically use Mist I have to pretty much not use any of my other magic utilities on any stam build that's unrealistic to ask.What you is asking me on my stamblade is not to use cloak to get a decent heal or to use fear to CC someone.I'm not running Blood spawn for that ult gen so while I still have a good uptime on incap I can't use that as a primary cc since its one of the few dodgeable ultimates and if blocked doesn't CC.

Nothing you are saying is feasible and actually works in practice even If I do use Mist which stops magic regen I won't be able to use it again because I will need to CC the target to get some breathing room and heal.If I'm facing a Magdk I have to deal with the 25% extra fire damage and if I cloak and it breaks I just wasted magica and lower my chances of using another Mist form when needed.

Look dude, you can't have it all...

Your initial complaint was Soul Assault and how the Stamina drain was too great on your Stamina pool...

I gave you a full solution for it, and now you cry about your Magicka pool...lol.

Dude, learn to play...adapt or die...stop crying and fix your build instead of screaming to the Devs for nerfs.


Edit: And btw, dont cry about a 25% fire weakness and Fighters Guild vulnerability ...us Magicka users have successfully dealt with it for a long time.

You can too...

I don't want it all I want reasonable counterplay sorry if that's to much to ask for so people can counter your cheese.

No you gave a bad solution that no stam build can realistically use.

Says the dude with the worst build anyone every heard of.Yea my build is bad when I play the only stam class that can actually counter this broken mess.Has high max stam magic and magic recovery and 4k weapon damage.Sorry If I care about the game having a healthy balance.

You know magic classes actually have ways to counter the 25% damage magsorc,magwarden and magblade runs shield which mitigates the extra damage.Magplar can purge the dots and magplar and magdk have instant burst heals.Stam primary have HOTS.Again showing your lack of knowledge about stam builds i general.