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Soul Assault needs counterplay
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
You just cant address the truth of this post...can you @KingJ?
You just cant bring yourself to adapt...to change.
You are a stick in the mud...aren't you?
These limitations are the reason why you are forever doomed to fail; you are too stubborn and stuck in your ways to think outside of the box (even for a moment) to consider alternative solutions for your problem...
The only thing you've mastered is the art of mimicry (copying someone elses successful build) and crying for nerfs instead of improving yourself...
LoL...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on November 18, 2017 6:49AMUnyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
So lets look at how the ability works a medium stam user usually won't have the max magic to use a 7k magic dump that I can only use once if I don't use any of my other magic abilities that I need.So to mist form that means during the fight I can't use for example on a stamplar purge more than once,On a stamblade can't use fear/shadow imagine,Stamdk igneous shields for sustain/healing bonus and stamsorc I can't dark deal or streak.While in mist form I can't regen magic but again doubt you knew that. So that means I can't use none of my magic utility because I wouldn't have any magica.Lets talk about vampire while yes you get the 10% extra stam and magic recovery you have to deal with 25% extra fire damage and fighter guild abilities which on magic builds who have shields or instant heals don't hurt as bad but on a stam build we only have HOT so if we are low and get hit with a undodgeable ability we can't we can't out heal the damage or DOT.
None of the solutions that other people have provided for you is a good solution and again show why this ability only hurt medium stam builds the weakest armor type and not light or heavy armor builds.Please come up with your own solution not one someone else made for you.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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No I will agree that your a narcissist who won't accept that he wrong and his build is trash.Yea I will adapt my build and just run heavy while medium stay being trash so bad players like yourself can get kills.I like how you ignore everyone who post numbers that prove you wrong and again talk about the damage when that only part of the issue with the ability.Hey your not smart enough to make a actually counter argument to any point.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
False and False.Can you tell us something that actually correct.I will say that your great at making bad builds.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
Here is another way to look at it... If there were an ultimate that drained 65-85% of somebody’s primary resource and did ZERO damage, I would run it. It’s that strong. When you throw massive damage on top of it, it’s a no brainer. Don’t waist your time with this clown anymore. He is a lost cause.
Yeah, but I'm smarter and more creative than both of you combined...
So you admit that you are unwilling to adapt your build for dealing with SA and instead are content to cry for nerfs because of your narrow minded vision...
Concession accepted...0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭
No I will agree that your a narcissist who won't accept that he wrong and his build is trash.Yea I will adapt my build and just run heavy while medium stay being trash so bad players like yourself can get kills.I like how you ignore everyone who post numbers that prove you wrong and again talk about the damage when that only part of the issue with the ability.Hey your not smart enough to make a actually counter argument to any point.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
False and False.Can you tell us something that actually correct.I will say that your great at making bad builds.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
Here is another way to look at it... If there were an ultimate that drained 65-85% of somebody’s primary resource and did ZERO damage, I would run it. It’s that strong. When you throw massive damage on top of it, it’s a no brainer. Don’t waist your time with this clown anymore. He is a lost cause.
Yeah, but I'm smarter and more creative than both of you combined...
So you admit that you are unwilling to adapt your build for dealing with SA and instead are content to cry for nerfs because of your narrow minded vision...
Concession accepted...
Blah, blah, blah...
I've tried to help you, but you are hopeless as you simply cant adapt...
SA will own you forever more hence forth...
You are doomed to die an agonizing death by having your Soul torn apart over and over and over again...
The Grim Reaper looks forward to seeing you; knowing your vulnerability to Soul Assault I'm sure you'll be seeing him sooner than later...
Cheers!
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭
Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
So lets look at how the ability works a medium stam user usually won't have the max magic to use a 7k magic dump that I can only use once if I don't use any of my other magic abilities that I need.So to mist form that means during the fight I can't use for example on a stamplar purge more than once,On a stamblade can't use fear/shadow imagine,Stamdk igneous shields for sustain/healing bonus and stamsorc I can't dark deal or streak.While in mist form I can't regen magic but again doubt you knew that. So that means I can't use none of my magic utility because I wouldn't have any magica.Lets talk about vampire while yes you get the 10% extra stam and magic recovery you have to deal with 25% extra fire damage and fighter guild abilities which on magic builds who have shields or instant heals don't hurt as bad but on a stam build we only have HOT so if we are low and get hit with a undodgeable ability we can't we can't out heal the damage or DOT.
None of the solutions that other people have provided for you is a good solution and again show why this ability only hurt medium stam builds the weakest armor type and not light or heavy armor builds.Please come up with your own solution not one someone else made for you.
You gotta give to get and I knew about Mist Form being a good counter for Stamina builds vs SA because I've seen it with my own eyes...
There are other ways for Stamina to deal with SA as well, but I've done enough thinking for you...
You just stick to being a copy cat and being unable to think for yourself...
Ok?
Cheers!
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭@TheDoomsdayMonster what my build what my main character?Who build do I copy?
Just because we say your build is bad its not because some streamer didn't try it and run it we say its bad because it's bad.I play everything but magdk I prefer stam classes I spent millions of guild farm trials to test out different setup and spent weeks farming.Their countless light magplar setup that's better than yours from my writing this if you want to keep the free shield from combat physician your better off going for Julinous since it boost all your damage and healing not just your vampire abilities.i'm one of the few people who know Physician shields scales most sets that does that like whitestreaks is static or that overwhelming surge is amazing set,I bet you didn't know Templars can proc surge damage from rune focus and repentance which cost nothing.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭@TheDoomsdayMonster what my build what my main character?Who build do I copy?
Just because we say your build is bad its not because some streamer didn't try it and run it we say its bad because it's bad.I play everything but magdk I prefer stam classes I spent millions of guild farm trials to test out different setup and spent weeks farming.Their countless light magplar setup that's better than yours from my writing this if you want to keep the free shield from combat physician your better off going for Julinous since it boost all your damage and healing not just your vampire abilities.i'm one of the few people who know Physician shields scales most sets that does that like whitestreaks is static or that overwhelming surge is amazing set,I bet you didn't know Templars can proc surge damage from rune focus and repentance which cost nothing.
So...
Have you seen my build in action?
A simple yes or no will do...Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Now your lying wow doing anything to admit your not wrong.You haven't thought of 1 counter not one people have posted them then you come in hear and take credit for it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
So lets look at how the ability works a medium stam user usually won't have the max magic to use a 7k magic dump that I can only use once if I don't use any of my other magic abilities that I need.So to mist form that means during the fight I can't use for example on a stamplar purge more than once,On a stamblade can't use fear/shadow imagine,Stamdk igneous shields for sustain/healing bonus and stamsorc I can't dark deal or streak.While in mist form I can't regen magic but again doubt you knew that. So that means I can't use none of my magic utility because I wouldn't have any magica.Lets talk about vampire while yes you get the 10% extra stam and magic recovery you have to deal with 25% extra fire damage and fighter guild abilities which on magic builds who have shields or instant heals don't hurt as bad but on a stam build we only have HOT so if we are low and get hit with a undodgeable ability we can't we can't out heal the damage or DOT.
None of the solutions that other people have provided for you is a good solution and again show why this ability only hurt medium stam builds the weakest armor type and not light or heavy armor builds.Please come up with your own solution not one someone else made for you.
You gotta give to get and I knew about Mist Form being a good counter for Stamina builds vs SA because I've seen it with my own eyes...
There are other ways for Stamina to deal with SA as well, but I've done enough thinking for you...
You just stick to being a copy cat and being unable to think for yourself...
Ok?
Cheers!
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You have no counter argument and now you have resulted to this its sad.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
No I will agree that your a narcissist who won't accept that he wrong and his build is trash.Yea I will adapt my build and just run heavy while medium stay being trash so bad players like yourself can get kills.I like how you ignore everyone who post numbers that prove you wrong and again talk about the damage when that only part of the issue with the ability.Hey your not smart enough to make a actually counter argument to any point.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
False and False.Can you tell us something that actually correct.I will say that your great at making bad builds.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
Here is another way to look at it... If there were an ultimate that drained 65-85% of somebody’s primary resource and did ZERO damage, I would run it. It’s that strong. When you throw massive damage on top of it, it’s a no brainer. Don’t waist your time with this clown anymore. He is a lost cause.
Yeah, but I'm smarter and more creative than both of you combined...
So you admit that you are unwilling to adapt your build for dealing with SA and instead are content to cry for nerfs because of your narrow minded vision...
Concession accepted...
Blah, blah, blah...
I've tried to help you, but you are hopeless as you simply cant adapt...
SA will own you forever more hence forth...
You are doomed to die an agonizing death by having your Soul torn apart over and over and over again...
The Grim Reaper looks forward to seeing you; knowing your vulnerability to Soul Assault I'm sure you'll be seeing him sooner than later...
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Make a video people showed you how in another thread and you got scared because you know how bad you build is and still refused to do it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@TheDoomsdayMonster what my build what my main character?Who build do I copy?
Just because we say your build is bad its not because some streamer didn't try it and run it we say its bad because it's bad.I play everything but magdk I prefer stam classes I spent millions of guild farm trials to test out different setup and spent weeks farming.Their countless light magplar setup that's better than yours from my writing this if you want to keep the free shield from combat physician your better off going for Julinous since it boost all your damage and healing not just your vampire abilities.i'm one of the few people who know Physician shields scales most sets that does that like whitestreaks is static or that overwhelming surge is amazing set,I bet you didn't know Templars can proc surge damage from rune focus and repentance which cost nothing.
So...
Have you seen my build in action?
A simple yes or no will do...
Yes I seen your build in action a buddy of mine we call him DOC ran this build and it was trash he runs all kinds of crazy builds.I slice through him like butter with this setup on his magplar,magsorc and magblade in this setup.
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Make a video people showed you how in another thread and you got scared because you know how bad you build is and still refused to do it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@TheDoomsdayMonster what my build what my main character?Who build do I copy?
Just because we say your build is bad its not because some streamer didn't try it and run it we say its bad because it's bad.I play everything but magdk I prefer stam classes I spent millions of guild farm trials to test out different setup and spent weeks farming.Their countless light magplar setup that's better than yours from my writing this if you want to keep the free shield from combat physician your better off going for Julinous since it boost all your damage and healing not just your vampire abilities.i'm one of the few people who know Physician shields scales most sets that does that like whitestreaks is static or that overwhelming surge is amazing set,I bet you didn't know Templars can proc surge damage from rune focus and repentance which cost nothing.
So...
Have you seen my build in action?
A simple yes or no will do...
Yes I seen your build in action a buddy of mine we call him DOC ran this build and it was trash he runs all kinds of crazy builds.I slice through him like butter with this setup on his magplar,magsorc and magblade in this setup.
I'll post a vid one day when I feel like it...
If your bud used my build and lost to you, then he needs practice; I would have eaten you alive...
THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUND YOUR BODY!!!!
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Yea I doubt that I would have killed you quickerTheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Make a video people showed you how in another thread and you got scared because you know how bad you build is and still refused to do it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@TheDoomsdayMonster what my build what my main character?Who build do I copy?
Just because we say your build is bad its not because some streamer didn't try it and run it we say its bad because it's bad.I play everything but magdk I prefer stam classes I spent millions of guild farm trials to test out different setup and spent weeks farming.Their countless light magplar setup that's better than yours from my writing this if you want to keep the free shield from combat physician your better off going for Julinous since it boost all your damage and healing not just your vampire abilities.i'm one of the few people who know Physician shields scales most sets that does that like whitestreaks is static or that overwhelming surge is amazing set,I bet you didn't know Templars can proc surge damage from rune focus and repentance which cost nothing.
So...
Have you seen my build in action?
A simple yes or no will do...
Yes I seen your build in action a buddy of mine we call him DOC ran this build and it was trash he runs all kinds of crazy builds.I slice through him like butter with this setup on his magplar,magsorc and magblade in this setup.
I'll post a vid one day when I feel like it...
If your bud used my build and lost to you, then he needs practice; I would have eaten you alive...
THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER FOUND YOUR BODY!!!!
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Yea ofc you do. And that is why you are making such a fuss, right?TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
It's fascinating to watch the behavior of people when they feel threatened to lose their crutch.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@BroanBeast1215
I'm comparing hard counter to hard counter. Not everyone uses SA, not everyone uses SB. But you have to keep it in mind. Welcome to my world.
@pieratsos
Yes, I agree. And I still think hard counters of any kind don't belong. This isn't Pokémon. Your skill should decide a battle, not your counter type.
@TheDoomsdayMonster
Then we have our temporary solution. People should just go vamp and suffer the same 10k Dawnbreakers as MagDKs and Temps have since... ever.
Plus, the more bloodsuckers, the bigger my family!
>=)
Then im not sure why u defend SA. You just said how bad it is.
I don't? Never have?
I'm just saying, from my personal experience and observations, good people can deal with it. That's why I eventually dropped it for Dawnbreaker. And now, as you know, Rune Cage does it for me well enough.
That doesn't mean I'm fine with it being in the game. The thing with hard counters like SA and SB is, that while you can deal and exploit them in 1v1, it gets exceedingly more difficult in group play. Dedicated counter players are affordable in big groups, you can't risk specialization in small ones. This is another number empowerment, and that is bad for the game.
But apparently someone finds SA ok because shuffle can dodge the initial cast on entropy.
Ha, ha, ha...
I'm through arguing with you; its not getting us anywhere...
We can just agree to disagree as pertain to SA and leave it at that...
You can nerf SA all to hell...I like Devouring Swarm more anyway.
Yeah when u think about it, it does sound like an actual troll. The issue is that you meant it.
In case you havent noticed tho, that guy also doesnt agree with you as well. No one agrees with you. Even you cant agree with urself.
I'm ok with people not agreeing with me...
That's fine...
We all are entitled to our own opinions...
Like I said, you can nerf SA to kingdom come and I'll be ok...
Devouring Swarm is much more useful than SA anyway...
I can only kill 1 player at a time with SA; with Devouring Swarm + Sweeps I can potentially kill several at a time...
Ok finally we are getting somewhere.
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. That still means that someone is wrong and someone is right.
No one agrees with you. That means you are most likely wrong.
You even changed ur mind about a hundred times and you took it from the one extreme scenario to the exact opposite extreme scenario. That means you are most definitely wrong.
And since you dont care about SA and u dont find it useful, do us all a favor and just gtfo.
Whoa...[snip] off.
And you are yet again incorrect you fool as there are some here that have agreed to me or is your feeble intellect so dim that you cant remember?
So no, I am not wrong; you are just an ignorant fool that's mad because his characters suck and that SA is being used to farm you for free AP...
I was trying to be civil, but with your ignorant, narrowminded, thought process this is not possible...
Just to spite you, I hope SA stays exactly as is and is used hence forth to melt your face into goo every single time you step foot into Cyrodiil...
Edit: Oh, and SA is just fine as it currently is; git gud and learn to play against it or die a firery death...
Cheers!
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Ignorant nonsense...
My go to Ult is Devouring Swarm...0 -
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Yea ofc you do. And that is why you are making such a fuss, right?TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
It's fascinating to watch the behavior of people when they feel threatened to lose their crutch.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@BroanBeast1215
I'm comparing hard counter to hard counter. Not everyone uses SA, not everyone uses SB. But you have to keep it in mind. Welcome to my world.
@pieratsos
Yes, I agree. And I still think hard counters of any kind don't belong. This isn't Pokémon. Your skill should decide a battle, not your counter type.
@TheDoomsdayMonster
Then we have our temporary solution. People should just go vamp and suffer the same 10k Dawnbreakers as MagDKs and Temps have since... ever.
Plus, the more bloodsuckers, the bigger my family!
>=)
Then im not sure why u defend SA. You just said how bad it is.
I don't? Never have?
I'm just saying, from my personal experience and observations, good people can deal with it. That's why I eventually dropped it for Dawnbreaker. And now, as you know, Rune Cage does it for me well enough.
That doesn't mean I'm fine with it being in the game. The thing with hard counters like SA and SB is, that while you can deal and exploit them in 1v1, it gets exceedingly more difficult in group play. Dedicated counter players are affordable in big groups, you can't risk specialization in small ones. This is another number empowerment, and that is bad for the game.
But apparently someone finds SA ok because shuffle can dodge the initial cast on entropy.
Ha, ha, ha...
I'm through arguing with you; its not getting us anywhere...
We can just agree to disagree as pertain to SA and leave it at that...
You can nerf SA all to hell...I like Devouring Swarm more anyway.
Yeah when u think about it, it does sound like an actual troll. The issue is that you meant it.
In case you havent noticed tho, that guy also doesnt agree with you as well. No one agrees with you. Even you cant agree with urself.
I'm ok with people not agreeing with me...
That's fine...
We all are entitled to our own opinions...
Like I said, you can nerf SA to kingdom come and I'll be ok...
Devouring Swarm is much more useful than SA anyway...
I can only kill 1 player at a time with SA; with Devouring Swarm + Sweeps I can potentially kill several at a time...
Ok finally we are getting somewhere.
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. That still means that someone is wrong and someone is right.
No one agrees with you. That means you are most likely wrong.
You even changed ur mind about a hundred times and you took it from the one extreme scenario to the exact opposite extreme scenario. That means you are most definitely wrong.
And since you dont care about SA and u dont find it useful, do us all a favor and just gtfo.
Whoa...[snip] off.
And you are yet again incorrect you fool as there are some here that have agreed to me or is your feeble intellect so dim that you cant remember?
So no, I am not wrong; you are just an ignorant fool that's mad because his characters suck and that SA is being used to farm you for free AP...
I was trying to be civil, but with your ignorant, narrowminded, thought process this is not possible...
Just to spite you, I hope SA stays exactly as is and is used hence forth to melt your face into goo every single time you step foot into Cyrodiil...
Edit: Oh, and SA is just fine as it currently is; git gud and learn to play against it or die a firery death...
Cheers!
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Ignorant nonsense...
My go to Ult is Devouring Swarm...
I'm making a fuss because I am sick and tired of people immediately screaming for nerfs whenever they get owned by something...
Instead of actually trying to strengthen their builds and/or getting better at playing the game, people come and cry and beg the Devs to nerf something instead...
There are ways for Medium to deal with this ability...period.
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Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
Bull...
I put this idea out there on June 21th to be exact:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4257831#Comment_4257831
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"Stamina builds can use their Magicka pools for utility...right?
If Line of Sight isn't an option, Elusive Mist is a great way of shrugging off the damage Soul Assault does..."Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on November 18, 2017 11:06AMUnyeilding Bias
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Leave soul assault as is. Just give people the ability to bash it. That is all. This will add a certain skill element to using the ability, because you can't just lolcast it like you can now. And it adds a reasonable counter other than draining all of your stamina, not to mention you are 100% *** when you don't have a full stam pool at that moment. We are just asking ZOS to be reasonable. The risk vs reward is totally out of balance with this ult.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Yea ofc you do. And that is why you are making such a fuss, right?TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
It's fascinating to watch the behavior of people when they feel threatened to lose their crutch.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@BroanBeast1215
I'm comparing hard counter to hard counter. Not everyone uses SA, not everyone uses SB. But you have to keep it in mind. Welcome to my world.
@pieratsos
Yes, I agree. And I still think hard counters of any kind don't belong. This isn't Pokémon. Your skill should decide a battle, not your counter type.
@TheDoomsdayMonster
Then we have our temporary solution. People should just go vamp and suffer the same 10k Dawnbreakers as MagDKs and Temps have since... ever.
Plus, the more bloodsuckers, the bigger my family!
>=)
Then im not sure why u defend SA. You just said how bad it is.
I don't? Never have?
I'm just saying, from my personal experience and observations, good people can deal with it. That's why I eventually dropped it for Dawnbreaker. And now, as you know, Rune Cage does it for me well enough.
That doesn't mean I'm fine with it being in the game. The thing with hard counters like SA and SB is, that while you can deal and exploit them in 1v1, it gets exceedingly more difficult in group play. Dedicated counter players are affordable in big groups, you can't risk specialization in small ones. This is another number empowerment, and that is bad for the game.
But apparently someone finds SA ok because shuffle can dodge the initial cast on entropy.
Ha, ha, ha...
I'm through arguing with you; its not getting us anywhere...
We can just agree to disagree as pertain to SA and leave it at that...
You can nerf SA all to hell...I like Devouring Swarm more anyway.
Yeah when u think about it, it does sound like an actual troll. The issue is that you meant it.
In case you havent noticed tho, that guy also doesnt agree with you as well. No one agrees with you. Even you cant agree with urself.
I'm ok with people not agreeing with me...
That's fine...
We all are entitled to our own opinions...
Like I said, you can nerf SA to kingdom come and I'll be ok...
Devouring Swarm is much more useful than SA anyway...
I can only kill 1 player at a time with SA; with Devouring Swarm + Sweeps I can potentially kill several at a time...
Ok finally we are getting somewhere.
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. That still means that someone is wrong and someone is right.
No one agrees with you. That means you are most likely wrong.
You even changed ur mind about a hundred times and you took it from the one extreme scenario to the exact opposite extreme scenario. That means you are most definitely wrong.
And since you dont care about SA and u dont find it useful, do us all a favor and just gtfo.
Whoa...[snip] off.
And you are yet again incorrect you fool as there are some here that have agreed to me or is your feeble intellect so dim that you cant remember?
So no, I am not wrong; you are just an ignorant fool that's mad because his characters suck and that SA is being used to farm you for free AP...
I was trying to be civil, but with your ignorant, narrowminded, thought process this is not possible...
Just to spite you, I hope SA stays exactly as is and is used hence forth to melt your face into goo every single time you step foot into Cyrodiil...
Edit: Oh, and SA is just fine as it currently is; git gud and learn to play against it or die a firery death...
Cheers!
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Ignorant nonsense...
My go to Ult is Devouring Swarm...
I'm making a fuss because I am sick and tired of people immediately screaming for nerfs whenever they get owned by something...
Instead of actually trying to strengthen their builds and/or getting better at playing the game, people come and cry and beg the Devs to nerf something instead...
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Leave soul assault as is. Just give people the ability to bash it. That is all. This will add a certain skill element to using the ability, because you can't just lolcast it like you can now. And it adds a reasonable counter other than draining all of your stamina, not to mention you are 100% *** when you don't have a full stam pool at that moment. We are just asking ZOS to be reasonable. The risk vs reward is totally out of balance with this ult.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Yea ofc you do. And that is why you are making such a fuss, right?TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
It's fascinating to watch the behavior of people when they feel threatened to lose their crutch.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »@BroanBeast1215
I'm comparing hard counter to hard counter. Not everyone uses SA, not everyone uses SB. But you have to keep it in mind. Welcome to my world.
@pieratsos
Yes, I agree. And I still think hard counters of any kind don't belong. This isn't Pokémon. Your skill should decide a battle, not your counter type.
@TheDoomsdayMonster
Then we have our temporary solution. People should just go vamp and suffer the same 10k Dawnbreakers as MagDKs and Temps have since... ever.
Plus, the more bloodsuckers, the bigger my family!
>=)
Then im not sure why u defend SA. You just said how bad it is.
I don't? Never have?
I'm just saying, from my personal experience and observations, good people can deal with it. That's why I eventually dropped it for Dawnbreaker. And now, as you know, Rune Cage does it for me well enough.
That doesn't mean I'm fine with it being in the game. The thing with hard counters like SA and SB is, that while you can deal and exploit them in 1v1, it gets exceedingly more difficult in group play. Dedicated counter players are affordable in big groups, you can't risk specialization in small ones. This is another number empowerment, and that is bad for the game.
But apparently someone finds SA ok because shuffle can dodge the initial cast on entropy.
Ha, ha, ha...
I'm through arguing with you; its not getting us anywhere...
We can just agree to disagree as pertain to SA and leave it at that...
You can nerf SA all to hell...I like Devouring Swarm more anyway.
Yeah when u think about it, it does sound like an actual troll. The issue is that you meant it.
In case you havent noticed tho, that guy also doesnt agree with you as well. No one agrees with you. Even you cant agree with urself.
I'm ok with people not agreeing with me...
That's fine...
We all are entitled to our own opinions...
Like I said, you can nerf SA to kingdom come and I'll be ok...
Devouring Swarm is much more useful than SA anyway...
I can only kill 1 player at a time with SA; with Devouring Swarm + Sweeps I can potentially kill several at a time...
Ok finally we are getting somewhere.
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. That still means that someone is wrong and someone is right.
No one agrees with you. That means you are most likely wrong.
You even changed ur mind about a hundred times and you took it from the one extreme scenario to the exact opposite extreme scenario. That means you are most definitely wrong.
And since you dont care about SA and u dont find it useful, do us all a favor and just gtfo.
Whoa...[snip] off.
And you are yet again incorrect you fool as there are some here that have agreed to me or is your feeble intellect so dim that you cant remember?
So no, I am not wrong; you are just an ignorant fool that's mad because his characters suck and that SA is being used to farm you for free AP...
I was trying to be civil, but with your ignorant, narrowminded, thought process this is not possible...
Just to spite you, I hope SA stays exactly as is and is used hence forth to melt your face into goo every single time you step foot into Cyrodiil...
Edit: Oh, and SA is just fine as it currently is; git gud and learn to play against it or die a firery death...
Cheers!
[Edited to remove profanity masking]
Ignorant nonsense...
My go to Ult is Devouring Swarm...
I'm making a fuss because I am sick and tired of people immediately screaming for nerfs whenever they get owned by something...
Instead of actually trying to strengthen their builds and/or getting better at playing the game, people come and cry and beg the Devs to nerf something instead...
There are ways for Medium to deal with this ability...period.
I'd be ok with it being bashable...
That seems reasonable...
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Now your lying wow doing anything to admit your not wrong.You haven't thought of 1 counter not one people have posted them then you come in hear and take credit for it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
So lets look at how the ability works a medium stam user usually won't have the max magic to use a 7k magic dump that I can only use once if I don't use any of my other magic abilities that I need.So to mist form that means during the fight I can't use for example on a stamplar purge more than once,On a stamblade can't use fear/shadow imagine,Stamdk igneous shields for sustain/healing bonus and stamsorc I can't dark deal or streak.While in mist form I can't regen magic but again doubt you knew that. So that means I can't use none of my magic utility because I wouldn't have any magica.Lets talk about vampire while yes you get the 10% extra stam and magic recovery you have to deal with 25% extra fire damage and fighter guild abilities which on magic builds who have shields or instant heals don't hurt as bad but on a stam build we only have HOT so if we are low and get hit with a undodgeable ability we can't we can't out heal the damage or DOT.
None of the solutions that other people have provided for you is a good solution and again show why this ability only hurt medium stam builds the weakest armor type and not light or heavy armor builds.Please come up with your own solution not one someone else made for you.
You gotta give to get and I knew about Mist Form being a good counter for Stamina builds vs SA because I've seen it with my own eyes...
There are other ways for Stamina to deal with SA as well, but I've done enough thinking for you...
You just stick to being a copy cat and being unable to think for yourself...
Ok?
Cheers!
Again I explain to you why something doesn't work and you ignore it.Someone can bring up numbers to you and you ignore it its sad now.
So you are dead wrong...as you've been this entire thread.
I thought of the Mist Form counter for Stamina builds to SA long ago as the above post (number 316) demonstrates...
Now...admit your folly.
Beg me for mercy....
SCREAM MY NAME!!!!!!!
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on November 18, 2017 12:08PMUnyeilding Bias
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✭Don't worry, just slot mist form on a medium armour stamina build.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Don't worry, just slot mist form on a medium armour stamina build.
Mist form is very sustainable on a medium armour build
It would be for emergency use mainly...
Someone pops SA; you pop Mist Form...
Someone pops Meteor; you pop Mist Form...
Someone pops Destro Ult; you dodge roll, then pop Mist Form...
Since Stamina builds can use Magicka 100% as utility at no risk (unlike Magicka builds with Stamina), Mist Form shines for you all...
Instead of being sarcastic, how about trying it instead of being narrow minded about it...
It might surprise you...
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭I don't believe making SA bashable would solve the zerg problem with it.
Many Ults can be zerged...
But making it bashable would add some counterplay against it...
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✭✭✭Don't worry, just slot mist form on a medium armour stamina build.
Mist form is very sustainable on a medium armour build
You're not supposed to spam it. It's an emergency button.
If you don't have enough sustain, get off your high horse and use a sustain set, like magicka players have for two years now. Shacklebreaker is a hybrid sustain set, no excuse not to use it.
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✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
I'd be ok with it being bashable...
That seems reasonable...TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
But making it bashable would add some counterplay against it...
So you changed ur mind again. Lol.
Btw, remember this post?BroanBeast1215 wrote: »No need, I just have to wait a few more post ITT for you to contradict yourself
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Do you sleep? So you mentioned something 6 months ago doesn't mean you thought of it during this discussion.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Now your lying wow doing anything to admit your not wrong.You haven't thought of 1 counter not one people have posted them then you come in hear and take credit for it.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
Again you didn't think of none of the solutions you waited for someone else to provide the answer because you don't know what your talking about.If @Lord-Otto Never mentioned Mist form I guaranteed you would have never mentioned it.Your so full of crap its ridiculous.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
You don't play Meduim it hurts all Meduim builds no matter what you run.In my post I didnt mentioned damage once now did I?I mentioned everything else it does,Stam drain,70%snare,No regen tick while blocking and its undodgeable.Each effect Meduim build no matter how you build you character.Nothing you can do about any of those issues in a Meduim armor build.If you run Meduim armor tanky or glass cannon these affect you more than any other armor type.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
@KingJ
I wrote this way back near the beginning of the thread; maybe your memory isnt that good to remember it though...
Less offense...more survivability.
Ultimately the thread starter agreed with me...
Now silence your ignorant ranting on this topic...
Again you ignore that.No ultimate does this to a light armor build,or heavy.No ultimate drains all you magica or stop your magic regen.Or a 70% snare.
Hey from someone who doesn't know how the game works I see why your getting so angry when people prove you wrong.Again no matter how you change your build everything i listed affect you if you run a Meduim build.Your just going to ignore my post and call me a name again since you refuse to admit your wrong.
You fool, I gave you a solution on a silver platter and you keep spewing nonsense...
There are ways for Medium to deal with SA but you are so narrow minded that you've closed your mind to them...
You can slot Elusive Mist to deal with SA and other big attacks in an emergency (its extremely effective vs Meteor and Destro Ult as well)...
The base cost of Elusive Mist is around 7k+ Magicka so a Medium Stamina user should be able to cast it once in an emergency on demand (you should have around 9-10k Magicka by default)...
Elusive Mist solves all the problems you have with SA...
It will reduce SA's damage by 75%...
It will remove SA's snare...
It will grant you Major Expedition for 4 seconds (which exceeds the channel time of SA)...
You will be able to regen Stamina while in Mist Form (and with a 10% bonus might I add)...
But once again, you are unwilling to change and adapt...
You want to run the same tired builds (and you are simply a clone of someone else's successful build btw; just like many of you here) and then complain because you get owned with SA...
There are solutions, but you need to open your mind to see them...
At current your thinking is too limited, so all you can do is beg the Devs for a nerf to SA...
This is garbage thinking on your part and shows no ability to think on your own...
Learn to think on your own...
Cheers!
So lets look at how the ability works a medium stam user usually won't have the max magic to use a 7k magic dump that I can only use once if I don't use any of my other magic abilities that I need.So to mist form that means during the fight I can't use for example on a stamplar purge more than once,On a stamblade can't use fear/shadow imagine,Stamdk igneous shields for sustain/healing bonus and stamsorc I can't dark deal or streak.While in mist form I can't regen magic but again doubt you knew that. So that means I can't use none of my magic utility because I wouldn't have any magica.Lets talk about vampire while yes you get the 10% extra stam and magic recovery you have to deal with 25% extra fire damage and fighter guild abilities which on magic builds who have shields or instant heals don't hurt as bad but on a stam build we only have HOT so if we are low and get hit with a undodgeable ability we can't we can't out heal the damage or DOT.
None of the solutions that other people have provided for you is a good solution and again show why this ability only hurt medium stam builds the weakest armor type and not light or heavy armor builds.Please come up with your own solution not one someone else made for you.
You gotta give to get and I knew about Mist Form being a good counter for Stamina builds vs SA because I've seen it with my own eyes...
There are other ways for Stamina to deal with SA as well, but I've done enough thinking for you...
You just stick to being a copy cat and being unable to think for yourself...
Ok?
Cheers!
Again I explain to you why something doesn't work and you ignore it.Someone can bring up numbers to you and you ignore it its sad now.
So you are dead wrong...as you've been this entire thread.
I thought of the Mist Form counter for Stamina builds to SA long ago as the above post (number 316) demonstrates...
Now...admit your folly.
Beg me for mercy....
SCREAM MY NAME!!!!!!!
Again I been right this entire thread you hop on stuff other people say because your two dumb to think of it yourself and take credit for it.I even mentioned the issue with using Mist form and you ignored that I can use Mist if I don't use no other magic ability I need.So I can't CC anyone during fight so I can use Mist form,I can't purge any DOts to make sure I can mist form SA.
Again you haven't counter the stam drain the snare of the issue that you can't use mist form unless you don't use any magic ability at all.Nothing you mentioned works I used to run Bone pirate Shackle before it was meta and I didn't have the magica to use Fear,shadow image and cloak alongside mist form.Open world you need fear primary CC,Shadow imagine to LOS when out number and cloak to heal.If I use all of those abilities and maybe have enough to use mist but than can't regen magica while in mist so afterwards can't CC the target,repostion or cloak to heal.
No solution you mentioned actually works.
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I don't use speed pots use tripots or Health stam and crit pots.Yea I can find a place for it dropping shade would be my best bet.I already run atro mundus for more magic recovery because I have the stam sustain from shackle/bone pirate to be fine with leeching to be fine.I'm not a vamp not sure how much its cost in all medium.I know the extra damage from Dawnbreaker and fire isn't worth it when everyone and their momma runs Dawnbreaker EOTS or SA.@KingJ
Can you replace Shade with Mist? Can you use Siphoning Strikes? Tripots instead of speed pots? How much do you pay exactly for Cloak and phase 4 Mist in medium?
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I don't use speed pots use tripots or Health stam and crit pots.Yea I can find a place for it dropping shade would be my best bet.I already run atro mundus for more magic recovery because I have the stam sustain from shackle/bone pirate to be fine with leeching to be fine.I'm not a vamp not sure how much its cost in all medium.I know the extra damage from Dawnbreaker and fire isn't worth it when everyone and their momma runs Dawnbreaker EOTS or SA.@KingJ
Can you replace Shade with Mist? Can you use Siphoning Strikes? Tripots instead of speed pots? How much do you pay exactly for Cloak and phase 4 Mist in medium?
You run the atronach on a medium armor build? While running BP and Shackle? What's your weapon DMG? 2k?0 -
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Nah my weapon damage with that isn't actually that low.You have to remember Max stam also give you weapon damage.Can't remember the total conversion from the top of my head right now.From sets I get 6k stamina ontop of enchants so I play with a high stam/stam recovery setup and the weapon damage is either 3800-4k buff with enchants.I'll be on later today and tell you.Waffennacht wrote: »
I don't use speed pots use tripots or Health stam and crit pots.Yea I can find a place for it dropping shade would be my best bet.I already run atro mundus for more magic recovery because I have the stam sustain from shackle/bone pirate to be fine with leeching to be fine.I'm not a vamp not sure how much its cost in all medium.I know the extra damage from Dawnbreaker and fire isn't worth it when everyone and their momma runs Dawnbreaker EOTS or SA.@KingJ
Can you replace Shade with Mist? Can you use Siphoning Strikes? Tripots instead of speed pots? How much do you pay exactly for Cloak and phase 4 Mist in medium?
You run the atronach on a medium armor build? While running BP and Shackle? What's your weapon DMG? 2k?
I also like having a lot of magic regen I'm constantly dodging undodgeable attacks with cloak and suppressing dots while healing.I like it for 1vx.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@KingJ 4k wpn DMG buffed with no offense set is impressive!
Stam is the equivalent of 10.5/1 for everything but light and heavy attacks
My Brass + BP is like 34/36k Stam (iirc 34) with 4k wpn dmg buffed, that's using a with DMG glyph and I think warrior mundus.
I think the stam regen is 1900.
What's your race?0