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Are ZOS and EA strategies all that much different?
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SisterGoat✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.I didn't realize you needed crown crates to progress in this game. I guess those hidden apex mounts are very crucial for PvP.Jumps-In-Water - Magicka Templar
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MNsnowtaTy✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.SisterGoat wrote: »I didn't realize you needed crown crates to progress in this game. I guess those hidden apex mounts are very crucial for PvP.
Haha, yeah no kidding. That and how you can't play anything unless you've paid and unlocked the warden via the Morrowind expansion.
What EA is doing via BF2 is selling gems to buy loot crates to make your characters better or unlock heroes. Now they had enough backlash to say hey we've removed this feature at this time. Which most likely they will try to get more people to buy the game at release to make their numbers look good, and then they'll had it back after the sucker folks in.
I haven't seen any weapon, armor, skill point, champion points that can be purchased to put me or anyone else ahead of the rest of the players on any system.
I'm actually kind of stunned at how many people can't see the difference.
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✭✭✭✭✭Of all the accusations and criticisms I have laid against ZOS over the years, I feel they took a decent stance against P2W pre-Morrowind
I think Morrowind shook a lot of peoples remaining confidence since locking a class behind a paywall really pushes the boundaries of P2W but this is still comfortably far from non-cosmetic loot boxes. Also the whole DLC/Chapter fiasco soured a lot of people but still ZOS is showing decent signs of restraint against predatory business models.
I hope that ZOS's parent company Zenimax Media is watching what is happening to EA right now and heeds the message that the gaming community is giving loud and clear.
We pay you money. You give us game. END
Abusive business models will not be tolerated.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on November 18, 2017 12:57AM2 -
SisterGoat✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.MNsnowtaTy wrote: »SisterGoat wrote: »I didn't realize you needed crown crates to progress in this game. I guess those hidden apex mounts are very crucial for PvP.
Haha, yeah no kidding. That and how you can't play anything unless you've paid and unlocked the warden via the Morrowind expansion.
What EA is doing via BF2 is selling gems to buy loot crates to make your characters better or unlock heroes. Now they had enough backlash to say hey we've removed this feature at this time. Which most likely they will try to get more people to buy the game at release to make their numbers look good, and then they'll had it back after the sucker folks in.
I haven't seen any weapon, armor, skill point, champion points that can be purchased to put me or anyone else ahead of the rest of the players on any system.
I'm actually kind of stunned at how many people can't see the difference.
It's not just EA, but DICE that want crates in their game, and also limit offline gameplay to earn credits. If we could earn crowns in game and crown items gave us a major advantage over other players, then THAT would be the same thing.
The only thing I can think of that gives players an advantage in PvP is the riding lessons. Those do come in crates, and you can buy them with gold, but you can buy riding lessons outright instead of randomly.Edited by SisterGoat on November 18, 2017 1:00AMJumps-In-Water - Magicka Templar
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.Nah. EA sales tactics are totally pay to win (talkin bout SWBF II btw). It would be like ZOS selling perfect asylum, master and maelstrom arena gear for crowns as soon as the game released.
Not even close imo.NA/PC0 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.MNsnowtaTy wrote: »SisterGoat wrote: »I didn't realize you needed crown crates to progress in this game. I guess those hidden apex mounts are very crucial for PvP.
Haha, yeah no kidding. That and how you can't play anything unless you've paid and unlocked the warden via the Morrowind expansion.
What EA is doing via BF2 is selling gems to buy loot crates to make your characters better or unlock heroes. Now they had enough backlash to say hey we've removed this feature at this time. Which most likely they will try to get more people to buy the game at release to make their numbers look good, and then they'll had it back after the sucker folks in.
I haven't seen any weapon, armor, skill point, champion points that can be purchased to put me or anyone else ahead of the rest of the players on any system.
I'm actually kind of stunned at how many people can't see the difference.
To me there really isn’t much of one. You are locking something I want in a gamble create, as a way to make me spend even more money then I normally would. The system is pretty close to the same. The items in the creates are just different. Actually for me EA might have the slight advantage since you can earn their crates i game when you level up.... lost of games do this... wish zos would get on board. Time for a gamble crate per champion point or two.
Anyway I get the whole pay to win arguement, but frankly I don’t care about it anymore. tired of game companies locking anything in gamble crates and then trying to convince me that they are fun and exciting and worth massively over paying for trash items.0 -
Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.There’s no comparison. EA murders things- look at what they’ve done to Bioware. ME: Andromeda will live in infamy from its confused development to openly racist developers.0 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.Understand that micro-transactions are more heavy because they have to make up for not having a required subscription. They need that money to deliver quality products. Future updates, DLC and Expansions.0 -
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✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.Understand that micro-transactions are more heavy because they have to make up for not having a required subscription. They need that money to deliver quality products. Future updates, DLC and Expansions.
There is a big jump from micro transactions to loot boxes.0 -
Kharnis✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales are very different.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Almost as big a jump as from lootboxes with purely cosmetic costumes and mounts to lootboxes with items required for character and game progression."Technology today is a race between engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof devices, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.The difference is that BF2 players pushed back and ESO players don't. ZOS sells us $150 small environments built off existing assets and players here eat it up despite the fact it is a clear rip off.
Push back on ZOS and they will change.0 -
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✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.Princessrhaenyra wrote: »Princessrhaenyra wrote: »Can't vote, not enough choices but leaning more towards the very different. To be similar they would have to do something like lock a character class behind a paywall. Maybe not quite that bad but worse than say locking a horse behind a paywall. ZOS does allow progressing your horse through the crown store though so some similarities there. Over all though, nah.
They did that with the warden and Morrowind.
No they didn't. Would have to be part of the base game for that to apply.
How so? It's a class that you can't play unless you purchase the dlc.
Base game. Darth Vader is a part of the base game that has to be unlocked. The Warden is not a part of the base game. It is a part of an expansion to the base game that came with a newly introduced class. Now if they sold the Morrowind expansion and you had to go purchase the Warden separate in the crown store you would be on to something.
Gotta compare base game to base game if you are going to be honest and fair.
How about putting a race with juicy stats behind a paywall? Remember good old Imperial? And that is base game. Regardless, your're arguing semantics in order to white knight. Not cool.
How about a class? A class that no less has been called out to currently be OP (Stam Warden) by the PvP community quite frequently.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.
And its an difference between dlc / expansions giving you access to new gear and stuff and loot crates.Princessrhaenyra wrote: »Princessrhaenyra wrote: »Can't vote, not enough choices but leaning more towards the very different. To be similar they would have to do something like lock a character class behind a paywall. Maybe not quite that bad but worse than say locking a horse behind a paywall. ZOS does allow progressing your horse through the crown store though so some similarities there. Over all though, nah.
They did that with the warden and Morrowind.
No they didn't. Would have to be part of the base game for that to apply.
How so? It's a class that you can't play unless you purchase the dlc.
Base game. Darth Vader is a part of the base game that has to be unlocked. The Warden is not a part of the base game. It is a part of an expansion to the base game that came with a newly introduced class. Now if they sold the Morrowind expansion and you had to go purchase the Warden separate in the crown store you would be on to something.
Gotta compare base game to base game if you are going to be honest and fair.
How about putting a race with juicy stats behind a paywall? Remember good old Imperial? And that is base game. Regardless, your're arguing semantics in order to white knight. Not cool.
How about a class? A class that no less has been called out to currently be OP (Stam Warden) by the PvP community quite frequently.
Edit* Mentioned multiple times already, but well...
You can not touch endgame in WOW without the last expansion for an more relevant comparison.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I have mixed views on this. Thare are a number of things at play.
1. Games keep getting more and more expensive to develop as tech improves and therefore the ability to add more detail/realism. This puts the companies in a difficult spot. Producing a game without using the latest tech will make their game look inferior next to their competitor's. But using it means that they need to charge more for that game to make any money. This is where all these extra revenue streams come from. They don't want to put players off by charging too much for the base game, so instead the spread the costs over dlcs, bought items etc.. Personally, I'd rather they stopped this race for better presentation and instead focussed on gameplay and value for money.
2. Multiplayer competitive fps games should never have added the concept of unlocking weapons with experience in the first place. Its an attempt of trying to add more to what is essentially a very simple game concept, but ends up destroying it. it makes what should be an even contest into an uneven one. I really don't get their thinking on this. Then making this stuff purchasable with real cash?? I think these companies have forgotten what an fps is all about.
Bring back quake1 team fortress!Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭ZOS and EA sales strategies are not very different.The imminent threat I see with ZoS atm is this.
Game launch " We will NEVER do a crown store, we want everything to be earned in game "
-In came Crown store.
-After Crown store launch " We will NEVER have crown crates "
-Crown Crates came DESPITE the HUGE amount of people against it.
-Post Crown Crate launch " Crown store Items will never be P2W!"
Here we are now.
So Honestly, I fully expect, and am fully against, p2w items to show up eventually.1
