Colecovision wrote: »

Enough of this already.

Would have happily voted for that.

Its_Alexis wrote: »

Easy if you create a new character, with crafted gears, food, max CP.

It was just right for me when I just started out a year ago, with no knowledge of item set and food, I focused on the stories and trying not to die while learning about my class. It was really fun actually, I only read, learn and try to follow meta when I completed all the zones, not including dlc.

I found it too easy back at launch before they nerfed veteran zones drastically. I went ahead to solo craglorn stuff and dungeon bosses then...
It's fine if others have a better time playing the game the way it is now, but I would really like some more engaging gameplay in overland zones myself. As it is, the only way to make it somewhat challenging is by using literally no skills, which of course isn't really fun either.

I understand some want a hard mode, while others don't want to play a game in a constant state of stress.

Perhaps the solution is a client-side difficulty slider, where you can set your own preferences. Harder setting means it's more difficult to remain in stealth, you take more damage, and/or you deal less damage. You can still wear your favorite sets and allocate CPs, their effectiveness is just dampened when you select a harder mode.

It is too easy. The problem isn't a group of three enemies is too easy. The problem is there isn't a few elite mob and group patrols that cause you to fight 6 at a time or three and an elite. The groups are spaced out too much making aggroing unintended groups a non-issue. So you never have to run from a bad fight which at one point was par for the course for mmos. The elite skills aren't mulligans for bad pulls. They simply make the process go quicker.

Same points others have made basically:

I completed Cadwell's Gold for the first time, back at launch, on a stamblade. This was , obviously, back in the VR zone days.
As this first character is my crafter, back then, she only had so little traits researched and I knew even less about which sets to use. I found survival in VR zones to be difficult on a stamblade, annoyingly so, but I completed it all. Played that content right away again on Templar - much easier. Love self-heals.

But since then, just about every character I created was in at least blue set gear, CPs, food buff, and just steam rolls the overland questing content. But, as many have already pointed out, this is all buffed up with sets, food, and CPs.

I have watched friends start this game with no such perks and have difficulty at some points. They eventually get past such challenges, none quit or complained it being too hard, but they did have some hold ups here and there.

It is my impression that ZOS wants the base game/story to be "easily" playable by all who can turn on a system or computer. So with that idea in mind I'd say it's just right based on my experience and observations.

In my opinion overland content doesn't need to be difficult. Save difficult content for maelstrom and vet group pve.

Here is the thing, if people want difficulty, they can do this themselves, without any action from ZOS.

De gear, don't use Buff Foods, don't use CPs, use lower leveled gear, there are many ways to create more challenge. It's all on you to do this.

Just like you can build a character for max DPS or max Survive or max Heals, you can create a character for more difficulties. Just shift your thinking. And, no the old I spend all this time to max out my character, scale the game up is not a counter. Many other people play this game and it is not easy for all of them. Heck, just stand around and watch other players with overland mobs taking 10 to 15 hits to kill them. Want to make the game so hard they can't ever prevail? You can kiss goodbye any new players if that is the case. Then the game goes bye bye.

Colecovision wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

If people don't care to learn via simply playing, trial and error, getting better after a few deaths (with no repercussions) - and instead want the game's difficulty set to cater someone at eso experience level 0 - I'm in lack of words. Except maybe "handouts", "instant rewards" and "entitled".

But Zeni is on a good way to shun longterm players out of it's dlc story content. Grinding trials just for the sake of killing time is not why I spend money on this game. I payed for MW and CWC to have fun by expierencing the story. But right now, it's like reading a book, no challenge whatsoever.

Did you really just tell people that the way they frolic their time at the computer is more entitled than the way you frolic your time away at the computer?

In my day we had to wash 10 cars to get enough quarters to even think about trying dragon's lair. 50 cents for ONE LIFE. You freaking walked up to the castle and if you missed a single button press, poof. Game over. Kids these days...wtf

The OP asked for our opinions. This is mine. Just as worthy as those who don't want it harder. I'm just stating what I think about it. If you feel bothered by it, so be it. And I know that you know what I ment with "entitled" but let's pretend for a second you didn't wrote that for baiting but because you really didn't get it:

Yes, this is a game. Yes this is to frolic. But in any game that has some kind of effort-reward system, people have to actually put in effort and do something, maybe even (god forgive) learn how to get better and instead of calling for easy mode, handouts, instant reward - because they feel entitled to it.
Yep, they paid for the game, yep how they spend their time is only up to them. But that doesn't change how a game should have some challenge. Those of us who want it "harder" have paid for it as well and want some fun out of it .

Feels like a being stigmatised for wanting it a tiny bit harder.

crjs1 wrote: »

It’s fine as it is IMO. The game particularly questing should be accessible to all. Craglorn where they went the hard / adventure route utterly crashed and burned. For me overland content is all about the story and lore - a much bigger issue than difficulty is the lack of meaningful choices, buts that’s a whole other issue..

This is true, but lets just look at the biggest MMO in history WoW.

You could do almost everything on your own. You couldn't just pull endless groups of enemies though. Then there were always 3-4 quests in each zone that required a group of 4-5 people. Then even a lot of zones had raid type events that everyone could partake in.

So the difficulty can be turned up to where it's still easy for anybody new to jump and not feel overwhelmed, but give people that are geared something to do.

The dolmens should be more like the Rifts in Rift. Where harder and more enemies spawn. If by chance nobody is there they start spread out and taking over the zone to a point. Make them feel like actual events and not just spaming your heavy attack for 2 minutes.

I see it this way:

You like flexibility in terms of builds? Freedom to chose what skills to use or what to wear? Then we are absolutely at a sweet spot.

If not overland content where else could you have that kind of freedom?

Everything else in terms of Craglorn etc has already been mentioned. In terms of the always increased rewards with increased difficulty one should also compare the concepts of the different games - you will have to make sure here that nothing else is made obsolete this way - in other games basically previous content is toast. We are not increasing the gear or anything else, so it could only lead to inflation (?).

In short I don't think the "Tamriel One" model (let's call it that) jives with the increased levels/difficulty/rewards hamster model in more traditional MMO's.

I still constantly see players dying to overland content and delves, ZOS knows how difficult the content is because they can see how many deaths are occurring in every piece of content. This is why they sometimes make adjustments to content and enemies, because they have the numbers, WE DON'T! So making comments based on your opinion without having actual concrete numbers is pointless, ZOS will make changes based on their internal data not on forum opinions.

Also, as @Nestor has mentioned, if you want to make content difficult, use basic gear, stop using any type of buff, remove all CP, and play that way. What I find amusing is those who complain about difficulty are running through overland content with full end game gear, food buffs and fully applied CP and wonder why content isn't difficult. There is a reason I apply all of these things to my character, because I ENJOY being the hero that can decimate enemies in just a few seconds, and I enjoy not stressing or worrying about whether or not I'm going to struggle in content. I like it easy, to me being uber-powerful is FUN!