So why did we buy Morrowind??

cyberjanet · November 2017

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see them update Vvardenfell a bit more. Add some new things to the empty places in the zone, and make a way to get on top of the volcano.

So far, I have had no value from it. I have not made a Warden - probably the main reason to buy it. I've never done Halls of Fabrication, much as I'd like to. I did one public dungeon which seemed to have no story and nothing to kill. I haven't had any great or interesting loot. I've never seen a Thieves' Trove. I did the Ashlander dailies every day for a long time, but still don't have a full set of motifs. (Seems I only ever get chests). And we've seen no Morrowind updates at all. And I rarely see people actually playing in Vvardenfell.

I think Morrowind needs a couple of dungeons. Maybe an 8-player or 6-player trial, to set it apart. I know people duo dungeons a lot, but maybe a 2-player-specific one could be interesting as well.

If ZoS are going to introduce a Necromancer (I looked at the wishlist for 2018), maybe it's a Morrowind class. (Though do I want a Necromancer here? I loved my GW necromancer...) Maybe the way to get to the top of the volcano is a dungeon.

What else would make Morrowind worthwhile?

Fishoscandi · November 2017

I didn't buy it.

ArchMikem · November 2017

cyberjanet wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see them update Vvardenfell a bit more. Add some new things to the empty places in the zone, and make a way to get on top of the volcano.

I did one public dungeon which seemed to have no story and nothing to kill.

lol wut? There's no such thing as a Public Dungeon with nothing to fight, unless the one time you went in was with 50 other dudes during the release rush.

I like Vvardenfell, there's plenty of Quests to do, places to see even if there could be more like the island of Sheogorad up north, or the mountain itself. But ZOS explained they already pushed what they could do with the zone before it was too much load on the game. Which was clearly evident with the terrible loading within cities, though with the new way the game uses memory now they may be able to squeeze more into the game. Still, I doubt they'll come in and add a patch to Morrowind that expands the playable area.

They could come back and make Sheogorad it's own playable instanced zone with new quests.

cyberjanet · November 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

lol wut? There's no such thing as a Public Dungeon with nothing to fight, unless the one time you went in was with 50 other dudes during the release rush.
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That was my reaction, "lol wut?" It was really weird. I did it about a month ago, long after the release rush. It may have been a bug, but it hasn't inspired me to try again.

CyborgPlatypus · November 2017

Nostalgia. I loved visiting places I knew from TES 3. Stepping off at seyda neen gave me feels.

I was disappointed the monastery didn't open at dawn or dusk. Yes I waited.

But it's a good zone, lots to do, lots to explore.

Sixty5 · November 2017

Main story was fun, plenty of interesting stuff in terms of questing.

Warden is a pretty fun class to play, though I still prefer others.

Battlegrounds was amazing while it lasted, sadly CWC has killed it for me.

Halls is a pretty interesting trial, had a bit of fun there too.

I think the issue is that you've brought a car, but you don't want to drive it, and then you ask what was the point.

Morgul667 · November 2017

Cause i wanted to play non cp BG

Ratzkifal · November 2017

You didn't mention:
Battlegrounds, Telvanni Master Wizard personality, a bunch of well-written quests, more skill points to spend, the great house styles in a zone that has nostalgia painted all over it.
I honestly don't know why you are complaining. I bet most people are actually satisfied with their purchase.

Turelus · November 2017

I doubt they're going to do any large updates for it because the price paid was for the content within.

I don't mean this disrespectfully OP but it seems your lack of value has come from your choice to either not play the warden or the content you purchased.
As I said in another thread I generally rate my value of a product on a £1/hour of play I get from it. Morrowind has for me passed that from hours spent doing the story, farming achievements, participating in battlegrounds and the trial.

Tandor · November 2017

I thoroughly enjoyed Vvardenfell, played through it on a new warden and leveled to 24 before finishing all the quests and most of the achievements (although I returned to the delves for the witches event). I have no interest in the trial or battlegrounds.

I've found the warden class decent for solo/cooperative PvE and I have another warden I'm leveling elsewhere as well as currently taking a second character to Vvardenfell. Lots to explore and do, and some decent housing too. My initial warden is now 33 and has just started on the Clockwork City. Most of my characters will spend time there and it represents excellent value to me, but it all depends on what you're looking for in terms of content, how many characters you want to run that content, and whether you take your time over it or just rush through it with addons leading you along the whole time.

As for population, Vvardenfell still has plenty of players whenever I return to it (PC EU) but obviously most of those players who only intend to run through it once will have been long gone as they'll have completed it at launch.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2017

cyberjanet wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see them update Vvardenfell a bit more. Add some new things to the empty places in the zone, and make a way to get on top of the volcano.

So far, I have had no value from it. I have not made a Warden - probably the main reason to buy it. I've never done Halls of Fabrication, much as I'd like to. I did one public dungeon which seemed to have no story and nothing to kill. I haven't had any great or interesting loot. I've never seen a Thieves' Trove. I did the Ashlander dailies every day for a long time, but still don't have a full set of motifs. (Seems I only ever get chests). And we've seen no Morrowind updates at all. And I rarely see people actually playing in Vvardenfell.

I think Morrowind needs a couple of dungeons. Maybe an 8-player or 6-player trial, to set it apart. I know people duo dungeons a lot, but maybe a 2-player-specific one could be interesting as well.

If ZoS are going to introduce a Necromancer (I looked at the wishlist for 2018), maybe it's a Morrowind class. (Though do I want a Necromancer here? I loved my GW necromancer...) Maybe the way to get to the top of the volcano is a dungeon.

What else would make Morrowind worthwhile?

Gotta say I think you must be doing it wrong? And first question that comes to mind is "Why did you buy Morrowind?" What were you expecting to get out of it when you purchased? (seriously asking)

Even without Wardens and HoF, which are worth the price by themselves, it's still a pretty expansive area, beautifully crafted and designed. The world bosses actually hit back, and I'm quite certain they'll be expanding on several things in future DLC's. Too many 'off-limits' areas, closed doors, and invisible walls for them not to take advantage down the line. I'm guessing you don't BG?

Motifs are intended to take time, a lot of it. If you had them complete in a weeks' time, there would cease to be a market and a purpose.

I'm really baffled by your commentary on the Publics...are you sure you weren't in a delve instead? Both of those, to me at least, felt pretty epic, and that's not a word I throw around lightly. The size and scope of each was as a large dungeon truly should be. Lots of areas, lots of routes, and tons of angry mobs or assorted variety.

You even get a chance at two different collectibles in the process. If you found nothing to fight, you were either in the wrong place, were massively glitched, or you didn't look around far enough. Both of them have multiple tiers that lead to other sections of the map. IMO, they were one of the best parts of the whole thing.

The're bound to expand on several things: delves, dungeons, quests, etc. Too many opportunitie$ not to. I'd say expect something at or near the anniversary.

The Dev cycle breaks things up, adding a little here and there to the various DLC's, doing so in such a way as to refresh interest in areas that would otherwise begin to stagnate a little. I expect Morrowind will be much the same.

While it may not have kept your attention as long as you'd hoped, I find it hard to believe you weren't able to get your moneys' worth out of it, regardless.

Kel · November 2017

I love Vvardenfell!
Nostalgia hit me hard the first time I heard the music. Beautiful and faithfully redone.
I've always been fascinated with the Tribunal, and Vivec in particular, so the storyline was great to play through.
The housing was great.
The quests were well done.
HoF was really fun.
I'm not sure how the Forgotten Waste public dungeon was empty. Respawn rate is super high there. With big groups of enemies. Plus, you farm the Robes of the Sixth house costume there...plenty of reason to go back, if you're into robes.
Warden is ok. Might make an alt at some point.
Well worth it to me! I would've bought it for the nostalgia alone, but it's been great.

Storymaster · November 2017

"cyberjanet wrote: »

"So why did we buy Morrowind??

Good question, considering there is no Morag Tong skill line, which is the most grievous offense.

I mean, I get it. Warden. Large zone. But not being able to have a Morag Tong skill line really gets stuck in my craw when I spending that kind of money on an addition to the game (in addition to my ESO Plus sub). Yeah, I was disappointed to say the least.

cyberjanet · November 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

I'm really baffled by your commentary on the Publics...are you sure you weren't in a delve instead? Both of those, to me at least, felt pretty epic, and that's not a word I throw around lightly. The size and scope of each was as a large dungeon truly should be. Lots of areas, lots of routes, and tons of angry mobs or assorted variety.

I was really baffled at the public dungeon too; I've done the delves and they were fine. Maybe it was just massively glitched, lots of things in the game are. I took a quest which took me all around it, through portals and to different levels and other than the occasional quest foe, it was empty. Nothing that resembled even one public dungeon boss. Not even other players. Maybe it's like falling through the floor and out of the game into the blue graph paper area. But it's now white on my map. I have wondered whether I needed to complete the quest first, before the dungeon spawns normally, or whether I made a mistake starting with the quest.

I have done most of the quests in Vvardenfell. I have finished the Vivec storyline, but none which gave me a personality at the end. But other than the Warden, I see nothing to set it apart as an expansion for which you have to pay another €50. It may as well be DLC you can get with your ESO Plus. Yes I bought the car, but it's not very different from the one I was driving, and unless I play through Steam, I can't drive it at all. There's a lot of people I can't team up with to play, because they haven't bought it and can't access it through ESO Plus.

I understand some people love it. I also know people who stopped playing because of it. And I get a lot of people asking me whether it's worth the extra money - I have no idea what to say to them.

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

Outside of Wardens, I deadass didn’t give a damn about Morrowind. I really didn’t. I have the little figure that came with the collector’s edition in storage somewhere (which was delivered broken), and I hardly ever even chill in Vvardenfell. Making it an even bigger waste. On the bright side, I make use of the Telvanni Magister personality regularly. But outside of the newly introduced personality and Warden class, I definitely wasted my time picking it up.

By the way, can someone please explain to me what the hell is up with the giant mushrooms and fleas? Place is gross af. Even the limited edition house in Vvardenfell looks disturbing. Like a mixture of fat rolls and a flesh atronach. Lol. ZOS wilding hard af with that whole zone.

Turelus · November 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

By the way, can someone please explain to me what the hell is up with the giant mushrooms and fleas? Place is gross af. Even the limited edition house in Vvardenfell looks disturbing. Like a mixture of fat rolls and a flesh atronach. Lol. ZOS wilding hard af with that whole zone.

It's called Dunmer superiority, clearly you're not worthy of it.

xbobx · November 2017

I enjoy warden. Finished the quest line with one character in morrowind and will never do it again. Whoever designed the sun in shadow quest line should be slapped. 4 hours questing in that zone mostly on that quest and didn't gain half a level.

ADarklore · November 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Outside of Wardens, I deadass didn’t give a damn about Morrowind. I really didn’t. I have the little figure that came with the collector’s edition in storage somewhere (which was delivered broken), and I hardly ever even chill in Vvardenfell. Making it an even bigger waste. On the bright side, I make use of the Telvanni Magister personality regularly. But outside of the newly introduced personality and Warden class, I definitely wasted my time picking it up.

By the way, can someone please explain to me what the hell is up with the giant mushrooms and fleas? Place is gross af. Even the limited edition house in Vvardenfell looks disturbing. Like a mixture of fat rolls and a flesh atronach. Lol. ZOS wilding hard af with that whole zone.

Little figure??? The thing is 12" tall and 10" wide and takes up almost the entire top shelf of my bookcase! Sounds to me, just based on the statue description, that you're a bit disgruntled. Even a broken statue can be glued back together... as someone who collects Marvel and DC figurines, I've received plenty of them broken and know that superglue works wonders.

As for the OP's question... Morrowind was designed for questers with additional content thrown in. From what you're asking for, it sounds to me like you're not a big fan of questing, which is what 75-80% of ESO is all about.

KingMagaw · November 2017

I mainly bought Vvardenfell for a different type of PvP mode.

Never did i expect it to be that poorly implemented where i couldn't choose my game type. Additionally i certainly feel ripped off changing Battlegrounds to CP mode and not giving the original option of NO CP that it was sold with, NO CP is the only mode i play.

VR was unbalanced and it's hastily implemented fix of CP are broken as well.

WhitePawPrints · November 2017

I’ve done battlegrounds. They’re okay. I have a Warden which I enjoy playing but has no where near the amount of complexity as the other classics. I’ve okayed Vvardenfell main quests and dailies but they’re pretty boring - and I have no interest in the slaver race. The map is large and new but not much makes it worth exploring and the grind fest ZoS loves to add in every update kills the desire to explore when I’m just running around for dailies and searching for chests.

I only bought because I got an extreme discount. The price ZoS asked for was insulting, especially when they admit they lacked the resources to create a quality product, and yet still charges full price.

Aliyavana · November 2017

Ratzkifal wrote: »

You didn't mention:
Battlegrounds, Telvanni Master Wizard personality, a bunch of well-written quests, more skill points to spend, the great house styles in a zone that has nostalgia painted all over it.
I honestly don't know why you are complaining. I bet most people are actually satisfied with their purchase.

Have you played other mmos? Morrowind's content pales in comparison

JKorr · November 2017

cyberjanet wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see them update Vvardenfell a bit more. Add some new things to the empty places in the zone, and make a way to get on top of the volcano.

So far, I have had no value from it. I have not made a Warden - probably the main reason to buy it. I've never done Halls of Fabrication, much as I'd like to. I did one public dungeon which seemed to have no story and nothing to kill. I haven't had any great or interesting loot. I've never seen a Thieves' Trove. I did the Ashlander dailies every day for a long time, but still don't have a full set of motifs. (Seems I only ever get chests). And we've seen no Morrowind updates at all. And I rarely see people actually playing in Vvardenfell.

I think Morrowind needs a couple of dungeons. Maybe an 8-player or 6-player trial, to set it apart. I know people duo dungeons a lot, but maybe a 2-player-specific one could be interesting as well.

If ZoS are going to introduce a Necromancer (I looked at the wishlist for 2018), maybe it's a Morrowind class. (Though do I want a Necromancer here? I loved my GW necromancer...) Maybe the way to get to the top of the volcano is a dungeon.

What else would make Morrowind worthwhile?

Better way to ask this question to yourself is "Why did *I* buy Morrowind?" With all the information that came out before it was released, you should have been able to tell it wasn't going to have the content you were interested in.

Personal opinion incoming, my experience only, no generalizations about "everyone".... TO ME the warden class sounded interesting. However my main reason to buy it was for the zone and content. I wondered, pre-release, how much of the single player game would be, I guess, "foreshadowed" in this one. I was not disappointed. I noticed so many things that made the zone enjoyable, interesting, and tied the single-player and the online worlds together. I have made two wardens, however I played through Morrowind's main quest with two of my older characters, so I would be able to pay more attention to the game world and story than surviving and figuring out how to play a new class. I'm still working through my roster of characters; eventually I'll get them all through. I did finally get a full set of ashlander motifs, but haven't gotten any of the other "House" ones personally yet, so I still have that to work for. If there were required group events I probably would never manage to do them anyway. But that is because of the way I tend to play the game. Other player's mileage may vary. For me Morrowind was/is a worthwhile purchase.

Rohaus · November 2017

I purchased Morrowind for 2 things... Warden AND Battlegrounds... now, I don't play my Warden because everyone and their brother is running around as a Warden in PvP... and then BG's were messed up badly by making them CP only...

Eventually Warden will either get nerfed or other classes will be brought in line with them... and hopefully BG's will get some attention in terms of OPTIONS... pug vs pug ONLY... premade vs premade ONLY... CP PLUS No-CP option... AND the ability to choose which type of battleground I want to enter!

Also... and this one is huge... I don't give a flying rip about people purchasing Morrowind to play BG's... OPEN BG's to the masses for the love of Tamriel... srsly ZOS... OPEN the gates... remove the paywall for Battlegrounds so we have more people actually participating.

Urza1234 · November 2017

I bought it for the BGs... boy that was a mistake...

Hey dont laugh at me.

Slick_007 · November 2017

we bought it cuz those crafty elves were selling it

Motherball · November 2017

They definitely missed the price point with this “expansion” imo.

Agalloch · November 2017

WhitePawPrints;c-4648803"]I’ve done battlegrounds. They’re okay. I have a Warden which I enjoy playing but has no where near the amount of complexity as the other classics. I’ve okayed Vvardenfell main quests and dailies but they’re pretty boring - and I have no interest in the slaver race. The map is large and new but not much makes it worth exploring and the grind fest ZoS loves to add in every update kills the desire to explore when I’m just running around for dailies and searching for chests.

I only bought because I got an extreme discount. The price ZoS asked for was insulting, especially when[quote= they admit they lacked the resources to create a quality product, and yet still charges full price.

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Agalloch · November 2017

@WhitePawPrints Where did you see they admited that lacked the resources to create a quality product ?

Vvardenfell is nice ..but I really hope will be updated. It feels like an unfinished content that don't justify the price.

Besides this I liked it very much.

English is not my native language.

CaffeinatedMayhem · November 2017

I bought Vvardenfell for the story (which is excellent), I love Dark Elves (so sexy!), and for the housing - OMG so many cool furnishings!

Utter failure on the last point. I bought all the houses, even Tel Galen (not sure what I'm going to do with that wart now), and most are empty. Ald Velothi has a kitchen and a bedroom, and some achievements. Amaya Lake has a garden and some achievements inside, and I threw a bed and a few tables in Saint Delyn's. That's it. I am so pissed, I will not be buying another expansion unless it guarantees that furnishings patterns drop in the entire game.

SirMewser · November 2017

There should have been something for players to develop their characters on in this chapter.
CP is a boring system.

Feanor · November 2017

I dunno why OP bought Morrowind. I enjoyed it.