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Soul Assault needs counterplay
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Murador178✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?Edited by Murador178 on November 14, 2017 5:09PM1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
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✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.2 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
??
What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
??
What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.Edited by pieratsos on November 14, 2017 5:31PM4 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers! Unyeilding Bias
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
??
What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
I dont need any help and am not complaining about Shuffle...
Why dont you get some help?
I am fine... Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.
And you are a guy with a gimp Sorc thats mad at the world because you are free AP now...
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✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
I dont need any help and am not complaining about Shuffle...
Why dont you get some help?
I am fine...TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.5 -
BroanBeast1215✭✭✭we have now moved to the multi rage posts stage in this thread. how exciting.
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Murador178✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
??
What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.
And you are a guy with a gimp Sorc thats mad at the world because you are free AP now...
Huh sorc is extreme strong atm with master staff and reach spam....1 -
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✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.2 -
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✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.
And you are a guy with a gimp Sorc thats mad at the world because you are free AP now...
Nope, sorry mate. I told you ull still die to them and u will still be raging about them. So yeah.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
I dont need any help and am not complaining about Shuffle...
Why dont you get some help?
I am fine...TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
Did I complain about it?
Nope...I did something about it instead.
And what I did was fight cheese with cheese...
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.
Blah, blah, blah...
Lies and more ignorance...
Keep giving out that free AP; you are behind on your quota...get to it!
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
??
What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.
And you are a guy with a gimp Sorc thats mad at the world because you are free AP now...
Huh sorc is extreme strong atm with master staff and reach spam....
His Sorc isnt...
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
You could actually record some of your gameplay again medium armor builds and upload it (with using Soul Strike), so we can help by telling you what you are doing wrong.
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What are you talking about? I'm not doing anything wrong...
He just wants you to upload some replays so we can see how a magplar can fail - nothing wrong there.
Considering there are magplars at duels that are able to beat almost everybody. Maybe we see ur mistake.
If not maybe ur mistake is that u forgot to reapply CP or dont have any?
Apparently you and the other guy havent been keeping up with this thread...
I have no problems fighting Medium builds...period.
You got the wrong guy; read this thread from the beginning and you can get it right...
Why are you complaining about Shuffle if you have no problems with medium armor builds? Without a record from your gameplay I can't help you.
He is complaining about people dodging entropy while using a build with vampire lord and calling other people clueless. He is a lost cause. There is nothing u can do to help. His gameplay would most likely be just comedy.
And you are a guy with a gimp Sorc thats mad at the world because you are free AP now...
Nope, sorry mate. I told you ull still die to them and u will still be raging about them. So yeah.
Nope, you are the one raging because you were burned to a crisp with Soul Assault...Unyeilding Bias
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✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.
Blah, blah, blah...
Lies and more ignorance...
Keep giving out that free AP; you are behind on your quota...get to it!
Lies and ignorance? You said those things.
Sorry, too bored to do another conversation like this with you.
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✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.
Blah, blah, blah...
Lies and more ignorance...
Keep giving out that free AP; you are behind on your quota...get to it!
Lies and ignorance? You said those things.
Sorry, too bored to do another conversation like this with you.
Obviously it's because you're ignorant as well as other buzz words that have been beaten to death in this thread
Truthfully though, @TheDoomsdayMonster get a thesaurus man. For someone who likes to call everyone ignorant that disagrees with you, you sure do have a limited vocabulary.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I'm roll dodging the heck outta these thread lmao
@Waffennacht then I shall tag you in this thread that way there's no escape... Just like Soul Assault while wearing medium
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.
Blah, blah, blah...
Lies and more ignorance...
Keep giving out that free AP; you are behind on your quota...get to it!
Lies and ignorance? You said those things.
Sorry, too bored to do another conversation like this with you.
Obviously it's because you're ignorant as well as other buzz words that have been beaten to death in this thread
Truthfully though, @TheDoomsdayMonster get a thesaurus man. For someone who likes to call everyone ignorant that disagrees with you, you sure do have a limited vocabulary.
Not everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant...
@pieratsos is the exception however...
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✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Once again the cry babies start on the nerfs.
They never go with "buff this for counter play" its always the tears and the nerf, and zos listens. These are the people who have made ESO pvp a zergging pug fest.
Yes I'm such a cry baby because all it requires to win a fight against a medium armor player is to activate your Soul Assault. God forbid we make it so some intelligence is required to be victorious.
How do you think Magicka builds feel about Shuffle?
Its frustrating as hell gap closing a Shuffle user (and them passively dodging it and its CC), and unloading Puncturing Sweeps on them only to have atleast 2 of the Sweeps fail to connect...
In the mean while, every single attack the Shuffle user uses against you lands flush...
The way I see it, we use Soul Assault to counter the cheesy gameplay Medium Armor users bring to the table...
Afterall, the best way to counter cheese is with cheese of your own...
Since when does shuffle kill magicka users? Shuffle and roll dodge are the main defensive mechanics of medium armor. Just because u find those mechanics frustrating for whatever reason even tho there are a million different things that go through dodge, it doesnt mean that you should have an "i win" button against them.
If you want to equate soul assault with anything then imagine an ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything. And then you come here to talk about cheese.
Its truly astonishing how clueless some of you people are.
Its not my fault that these medium armor builds are so heavily glass cannon...
You know the type; you see them everywhere:
4000+ weapon damage, barely have 20k health (and sometimes sub 20k health) even with Battle Spirit, all the while expecting to get away with being pure glass canon solely with Shuffle allowing them to passively ignore incoming damage...
If they would character build with more defense in mind they wouldnt be melted so easily by attacks such as Soul Assault...
Its a learn to build issue in all honestly...
Oh and there will never be an attack that kills my Templar in 3 seconds without me being able to do anything about it...why?
Because I built my character with the ability to withstand damage...
Some of the medium armor builds here need to learn how to do that as well...
There is no ability that kills ur templar in 3 seconds without u being able to do anything because there is no ability that completely shuts down every available defense you have, not because u know how to make a build.
You somehow have this dumb idea that they just want to play glass cannon builds and still survive everything. And thats because you dont know how the ability works and how the defensive mechanics interact with the ability. Soul assault hard counters every single available mechanic medium armor builds have. You are confusing your lack of knowledge with people being entitled to everything.
I could go on and try to explain you every single mechanic and how soul assault interacts with it but im not interested in writing an essay. There are multiple threads about soul assault with actual numbers for a bunch of different scenarios. Find them and u can see on ur own. The short answer is that SA does 10k+ dmg through block and drains more than half of their stamina pool while they are sitting ducks from the snare and regen being stopped. And no thats not on glass cannon builds.
And no im not just another biased dodge roll build refusing to adapt. Im the one using SA.
Different types of abilities were designed with different mechanics and counters to keep them in check and promote skillful play offensively and defensively. To make it a little more simple for you to understand. If someone is mindlessly casting SA, you should be able to bash his head off.
Don't presume to know what I know; you don't know a d@m thing about me...
Your assumptions in this post are pure ignorance on your part as pertains to my knowledge base...
I know exactly how Soul Assault works; I exactly what it does...
There are ways to adapt to Soul Assault from a Medium Armor standpoint and no I wont tell you anything; I wont think for you...
Workable adaptations are possible...if one is willing to think outside the box.
You compared shuffle with soul assault. I said you fight cheese with cheese. Shuffle is cheesy, so me using cheese becomes fair game
You assumed everyone that plays in medium is a glass cannon with 20k hp. Wrong. Especially since I know a number of people that wear Medium that are not glass canons
You assumed that it only kills glass cannons. Wrong. Your ignorance is getting the better of you as I never said that. you are wrong yet again. Please quote me saying that "only glass canons can be killed by SA." Go ahead...I'll wait.
You said puncturing sweep is dodgeable Now I did say this and I was wrong
You said why dont u get more hp even tho that would mean weaker heals, less stamina and run out of stamina even faster. Apparently there are ways of a Medium build dealing with SA; just use your brain and think
You said drop ur dmg even tho that would mean weaker heals Yes I did say this; you gotta trade something for more survivability
Dropping dmg would also mean more regen. Your regen stops while blocking. So you lose one tick of Regen (maybe two depending upon when you are hit by it); BFD...that's a good trade off for survival. Magicka builds that block and are hit by SA lose the same amount of Regen btw
You see, I dont really presume anything. I know it for a fact based on what u said. You presume a hell of a lot as you don't know what you are talking about a large portion of the time
There are ways to adapt to it. They are all completely unrelated with the medium armor playstyle. So whats the point of playing that playstyle anw. who is to say that Medium Armor is slaved to one playstyle? Your character is what you make of him/her/it and you can adopt several playstyles of your choosing
If you are too bad at killing medium armor builds (especially on a templar) it doesnt mean that SA is fine.
Like i said. You should be able to interrupt it. I understand why u wouldnt want that tho. One less crutch for you to rely on. Your ignorance is once again on display as I'm very good at killing Medium Armor builds with my pet build...SA simply makes my victory over them a certainty. Your ignorance and ability to make incorrect assumptions knows no limits apparently though...learn to properly digest what you've read and then we can have a proper debate
All of the bolded is mines...
So you didnt know that the spammable of ur class is undodgeable. Lol. Now here comes the fun part. If its undodgeable then shuffle isnt cheese. So its not cheese but u still want to keep ur cheese against them. Remember what i said about crutches? Well, you literally admitted it.
You said they expect to play glass cannon builds and being able to survive yet now you say that is not only good against glass cannons. So you agree with me.
Blocking stops ur regen. Period. For 4 seconds you dont get regen. And considering that it only ticks every 2 seconds those 4 seconds can easily get to 5-6 seconds. Regen is ur sustain in medium armor. That means ur entire sustain gets shut down for an extended period of time. And SA has 7-8 ticks. That means you lose 7-8 ticks of stamina. Every tick is 2-2.5k stamina. Do the math. If you sacrifice some stamina to get more hp u are gonna run dry even faster.
You are right. You choose what you want to play. But medium armor provides the best results when played as a high dmg, fast and dodgy with high regen. That is evident from the passives. Its meant to be played like that. Its a playstyle that many people love. Its the playstyle with the best synergy with medium armor. And if someone wants to play that specific playstyle then he should be able to do it. SA literally hard counters that entire playstyle. Not everyone wants to play with snb, 30k hp and 30k resistances. If you were to do that then you may as well put on heavy armor.
You literally said SA makes ur victory a certainty and ur talking about ignorance and counterplay. Do you even realise how stupid that sounds? If its a certainty then there is no counterplay genius. You literally threw your entire argument out of the window with that comment. You literally admitted how stupid SA is. You literally proved everyone right.
First think twice before u write ur bs and then u can try to have a proper debate. You dont know what ur talking about and u proved it again.
P.S. Templar pet build? Wtf is that?
As pertains my spammable being undodgable, maybe its been lag, but there have been many times in the past where I was certain I had a Shuffle user dead to rights and some how my attacks were not landing...
I incorrectly thought it was due to my spammable not being undodgable...
But Shuffle is still cheese; its put several abilities that I'd normally use (like my Heal Debuff; its name excapes me at the moment) out of business and you just cant reliably hit them with it...
As for my certain victory; that is a bit of an exaggeration...
I still kill Medium with my pet build, but SA simply better suited for killing Medium; it doesn't give me a 100% win percentage against them...
My pet build is the one featured in my Sig (although its been significantly enhanced as of late); its not an actual "pet" build...
So now its an exaggeration? You've said so many inconsistencies so far that its actually really getting funny. Every single post u make contradicts the last post u made.
So now Its cheese becaue dark flare can be dodged (which u didnt even know its name. lmao)? The fact that ur spammable, ur dot, ur burst and ur execute are undodgeable doesnt matter. Its ok tho i unerstand how you play now. Trash build running around trying to Xv1 people by spamming dark flare and calling shuffle cheese because u refuse to use every other ability in ur toolkit that is undodgeable or because u are too bad to try and combo dark flare. I understand now why u defend SA.
There is really no point continuing this. You are beyond clueless.
You are the one clueless with your constant incorrect assumptions...
I couldn't remember Dark Flares name because it's been a long, long, time since I last slotted it...
And there are two dodgeables on my DPS bar; structured entropy and toppling charge...
So once again, you are the one clueless...
But anyway, enjoy playing your gimped, trash, Sorc...
So now its cheese because it can dodge an ability that isnt even used as a dmg ability.
Whats next? Shuffle cheesy because it can dodge soul trap? Lmao
I am sorry that u feel shuffle is cheesy because it can dodge entropy. I am really sorry that u need every single ability in the game to be undodgeable. I really do. I never thought someone can be so bad.
You should seriously stop posting. At this point you just make urself look even more stupid with every post.
Look at you; ignorance personified...
Toppling Charge is meant to be a damaging ability..isnt it?
You conveniently ignore that though...
And no, I dont need every ability to be undodgable, I just need ignorant people like yourself to learn to not make incorrect assumptions over and over again...
You should stop posting as every incorrect assumption on your part makes you look increasingly stupid and ignorant...
Hows those CC'less Frags and broken Rune working out for you btw?
I conveniently ignored that to save you from further embarrassment. But since you are persistent well here you go. Toppling is a gap closer genius. You want those undodgeable too now? Is the stupid snare they apply not good enough for you? Seriously is there anything in this game that u dont want to be undodgeable? Do you also want an ability that instantly kills anyone to cover ur lack of skill?
You were talking about people feeling entitled to survive even when they play glass cannon builds and u are feeling entitled of every single ability u use including gap closers and entropy to completely ignore any defensive mechanic u dont like because you are too bad at the game.
Frags working fine for me. Like i told you last time. I can kill potatoes like you naked. I really have to thank you tho. Potatoes like you are the reason 1vX is still alive.
You should stop posting. Its not even funny now how clueless you are now. Its really sad.
More ignorance from you; what else is new?
Is it beyond you to stop making incorrect assumptions and stating your BS as if it were fact?
Probably not; your ignorance does appear to be limitless...and you are proving it.
And no I dont want my gap closer to be undodgable. I'm just pointing out your incorrect assumption that all my abilties are undodgable...they are not as two of them are dodgable.
But you are all over the place with your ignorance...
And I call BS on your frags claim. You are free AP now and everyone knows it...you are weak, pathetic, and continue to cry about abilities that cause you to give free AP at greater rates....
I see right through you...
Since your Sorc is now trash, you have moved on to a glass canon DPS and now are crying because you are being owned with Soul Assault...
Grow up...learn to play...git gud.
Cheers!
Lmao. I literally said that im the one using SA but i guess u are also so dumb that u cant read.
You are the one complaining about shuffle because its dodging entropy and ur gap closer and u didnt know names of abilities of ur own class and also didnt know how they function. Its safe to say that the one that is clueless here is you.
It was a nice attempt but im sorry. You are too stupid to insult anyone.
But by all means shows us some gameplay. Teach us all how to play vampire lord.
Blah, blah, blah...
Lies and more ignorance...
Keep giving out that free AP; you are behind on your quota...get to it!
Lies and ignorance? You said those things.
Sorry, too bored to do another conversation like this with you.
Obviously it's because you're ignorant as well as other buzz words that have been beaten to death in this thread
Truthfully though, @TheDoomsdayMonster get a thesaurus man. For someone who likes to call everyone ignorant that disagrees with you, you sure do have a limited vocabulary.
Not everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant...
@pieratsos is the exception however...
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I'm roll dodging the heck outta these thread lmao
And you really think rolldodge will work
. He is a templar . 5 -
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✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I'm roll dodging the heck outta these thread lmao
And you really think rolldodge will work . He is a templar .
Its ok. Entropy is dodgeable. You may make it.
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There's no comparison between the survivability of a high dmg non-S&B medium armor build & a high dmg magicka build, they're on entirely different levels - just look at how the stamina defensive skills scale compared to magicka ones.
1k stamina=19 health/second for Vigor
1k magicka=220 to shield strength
Magicka defensive skills are literally over 10 times more efficient.
You do everyone a disservice when you cheese the numbers this way.
Vigor is a 5 tick HoT, and you're comparing it to an instant cast ability. Using your numbers,1k of stamina increases the healing of Vigor by 95. And if those Vigor ticks crit, then it's increased by about 150. I'm unsure whether your numbers include a significant amount of Bastion or +% healing received/given either. But if not, then +50% healing is pretty easy to achieve. For Bastion, that# is about 19% (51 points), and there's nothing else
But on top of that, your cherry picking the fact that +stam is much less effective for boostimg Stan skills than +WD.
How about a comparison of a max Rally vs shields?3 -
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✭✭✭✭cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »[
There's no comparison between the survivability of a high dmg non-S&B medium armor build & a high dmg magicka build, they're on entirely different levels - just look at how the stamina defensive skills scale compared to magicka ones.
1k stamina=19 health/second for Vigor
1k magicka=220 to shield strength
Magicka defensive skills are literally over 10 times more efficient.
You do everyone a disservice when you cheese the numbers this way.
Vigor is a 5 tick HoT, and you're comparing it to an instant cast ability. Using your numbers,1k of stamina increases the healing of Vigor by 95. And if those Vigor ticks crit, then it's increased by about 150. I'm unsure whether your numbers include a significant amount of Bastion or +% healing received/given either. But if not, then +50% healing is pretty easy to achieve. For Bastion, that# is about 19% (51 points), and there's nothing else
But on top of that, your cherry picking the fact that +stam is much less effective for boostimg Stan skills than +WD.
How about a comparison of a max Rally vs shields?
And if there's Major/Minor Defile from opponent with some points into Defile, you get around 10 healing total from that 1k stamina/100 weapon dmg. Why do you think I didn't account modifiers that vary from person to person, such as crit chance & crit modifier?
Also, Blessed is a blue CP in the Apprentice constellation, no sane stamina build puts points there. There is another which increases healing (Quick Recovery), but it scales very badly (and only up to 15%).
The 19:220 ratio was calculated with zero points into Bastion and zero points into any healing specific CP.
So no, I'm not "cherry picking" anything. Everything is accurate.
As for Rally (2H specific), 1k extra stamina would increase its healing by 8 every 2 seconds & grants 76 extra healing for a full 33s duration heal. 100 weapon damage gets you the same results.
You don't need to be a genius to see that medium armor lacks survivability when building for max damage, just go duel something like a magicka DK or a magplar in that medium armor & no S&B & watch all that undodgeable damage chip away your health bar through all the Vigors & Rallies. Then fight the same opponent on a full damage magicka build with 15k spammable shields & see the difference.Edited by DDuke on November 14, 2017 10:26PM1 -
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✭Really tho, brass/ bone pirate/ blood spawn. Full medium, 29k resistance fully buffed. You can eat a soul assault and skoria with out blocking.2
