This is why I keep saying if players want to make claims they need to provide evidence.
It's becoming the norm to assume everyone in Cyrodiil is using some kind of cheat or exploit now when for the majority that's not the case. If you have evidence someone is using cheats or exploits pass the information to ZOS. If you suspect someone is pass those suspicions to ZOS.
However if you're not actively encountering people using anything and just touting the cool phrase of the month you're only muddying the water so that real cheaters and exploiters get off free.
This is why I keep saying if players want to make claims they need to provide evidence.
It's becoming the norm to assume everyone in Cyrodiil is using some kind of cheat or exploit now when for the majority that's not the case. If you have evidence someone is using cheats or exploits pass the information to ZOS. If you suspect someone is pass those suspicions to ZOS.
However if you're not actively encountering people using anything and just touting the cool phrase of the month you're only muddying the water so that real cheaters and exploiters get off free.
This is why I keep saying if players want to make claims they need to provide evidence.
It's becoming the norm to assume everyone in Cyrodiil is using some kind of cheat or exploit now when for the majority that's not the case. If you have evidence someone is using cheats or exploits pass the information to ZOS. If you suspect someone is pass those suspicions to ZOS.
However if you're not actively encountering people using anything and just touting the cool phrase of the month you're only muddying the water so that real cheaters and exploiters get off free.
So what does it look like when someone’s cheating?
I would imagine it's a guild chat with something like this.So what does it look like when someone’s cheating?
Edit: Then person 1 becomes the next person to come to the forums and complain about hackers, as well as becoming person 2 in guild chat from the future onwards.Person 1: FFS died to this lag.
Person 2: Not lag mate, hackers.
Person 1: What hackers?
Person 2: Yeah ZOS only cares about money and don't ban all the cheaters, everyone uses cheat engine.
Person 3: You have proof?
Person 2: lol don't need proof everyone does it, my mate saw it happen as well.
Person 1: WTF, how can they let this happen in their game?
Person 3: How do you know they're not good players?
Person 2: lol good players, these guys suck just cheat to win everything, saw it on forums everyone saying it.
Person 1: well that sucks.
I would imagine it's a guild chat with something like this.So what does it look like when someone’s cheating?Edit: Then person 1 becomes the next person to come to the forums and complain about hackers, as well as becoming person 2 in guild chat from the future onwards.Person 1: FFS died to this lag.
Person 2: Not lag mate, hackers.
Person 1: What hackers?
Person 2: Yeah ZOS only cares about money and don't ban all the cheaters, everyone uses cheat engine.
Person 3: You have proof?
Person 2: lol don't need proof everyone does it, my mate saw it happen as well.
Person 1: WTF, how can they let this happen in their game?
Person 3: How do you know they're not good players?
Person 2: lol good players, these guys suck just cheat to win everything, saw it on forums everyone saying it.
Person 1: well that sucks.
I would imagine it's a guild chat with something like this.So what does it look like when someone’s cheating?Edit: Then person 1 becomes the next person to come to the forums and complain about hackers, as well as becoming person 2 in guild chat from the future onwards.Person 1: FFS died to this lag.
Person 2: Not lag mate, hackers.
Person 1: What hackers?
Person 2: Yeah ZOS only cares about money and don't ban all the cheaters, everyone uses cheat engine.
Person 3: You have proof?
Person 2: lol don't need proof everyone does it, my mate saw it happen as well.
Person 1: WTF, how can they let this happen in their game?
Person 3: How do you know they're not good players?
Person 2: lol good players, these guys suck just cheat to win everything, saw it on forums everyone saying it.
Person 1: well that sucks.
The only people who really know if someone is cheat is ZOS and they are the only ones who should be ACTIVELY doing the job of seeking them out. As a player we play for entertainment not to police the community we are part of. IT'S TIME FOR ZOS TO BECOME MORE PRO-ACTIVE in providing a balanced safe and clean gaming environment. They say they have a 0 tolerance policy but what is the level of tolerance for the community, 60% 80% 40%? It's time for content to be released clean, and the avenues that cheat engine utilizes are turn off. If the community actually had the same 0 tolerance policy like ZOS there would be no community.
Aside from that yeah i'm sure players are exploiting or cheating to varying degrees. Who would really know? Right.
This is why I keep saying if players want to make claims they need to provide evidence.
It's becoming the norm to assume everyone in Cyrodiil is using some kind of cheat or exploit now when for the majority that's not the case. If you have evidence someone is using cheats or exploits pass the information to ZOS. If you suspect someone is pass those suspicions to ZOS.
However if you're not actively encountering people using anything and just touting the cool phrase of the month you're only muddying the water so that real cheaters and exploiters get off free.
I agree with you Turelus, the problem is I have sent proof. Others have sent proof. Nothing happens, and if it does, then whoever it was is back in the game within days. Even the "perma" banned folks have been allowed back in. What do you suggest we do about that?
No, I don't call everyone a cheater that kills me. It isn't cool to call anyone a cheater in my book. However, when you see it, and you report it, and nothing happens ... It is so discouraging.
At this point, I'd really rather ZOS police their own game and take care of this so we can all be enable to stop doing the job for them. It's their game, they should protect it more. That would save us from calling each other liars and cheaters and might make for a better gaming experience with less hatred floating around.
If someone provided me with that information I could place it in the ZOS community teams hands for their teams to review and deal with.Soul_Demon wrote: »I would imagine it's a guild chat with something like this.So what does it look like when someone’s cheating?Edit: Then person 1 becomes the next person to come to the forums and complain about hackers, as well as becoming person 2 in guild chat from the future onwards.Person 1: FFS died to this lag.
Person 2: Not lag mate, hackers.
Person 1: What hackers?
Person 2: Yeah ZOS only cares about money and don't ban all the cheaters, everyone uses cheat engine.
Person 3: You have proof?
Person 2: lol don't need proof everyone does it, my mate saw it happen as well.
Person 1: WTF, how can they let this happen in their game?
Person 3: How do you know they're not good players?
Person 2: lol good players, these guys suck just cheat to win everything, saw it on forums everyone saying it.
Person 1: well that sucks.
Let me ask you, if someone provided video and FTC time stamped shots of 9 attacks in under one, one thousandth of a second, what action would you be able to take specifically to deal with it? Or are you simply implying you need to view all things first to determine their suitability prior to submission....I only ask as it seems you are invested in discrediting a bit too deeply and if it turns out you have no authority it makes even less sense.
Actually, I can. The fact is, it is out there and it is prolific, and people who do it don't want us discussing it because if we do, then something might get done finally ...
If someone provided me with that information I could place it in the ZOS community teams hands for their teams to review and deal with.
If I am ever presented with information about bugs/cheats/exploits this is the action I take (even before I was a CA) however now I am lucky enough to have a bit easier time getting it to them.
If players have this material or anything they believe is suspect and wish to submit it to ZOS I have said in other threads the best way to go about this. PM the community team or a forum moderator who can pass it on to their teams who deal with it.
The point I am trying to make is that we're at a point where almost weekly we see threads about how cheat engine is rampant in PvP, yet no one is providing any information about it. Nor when pressed have any of these people submitted reports to ZOS about it, they're simply stating that cheat engine is rampant in PvP.
We also see threads or streams where people laugh about the whispers they get of players accusing them of using cheat engine. When these are players who most of the community would agree are not.
It's become the go to reasoning for every little issue a player comes across, because the PvP community continues to spread this hyperbolic belief that cheat engine is running rampant in PvP.
I am not denying that it probably is used by some, and I like others want nothing more than to see those people perma-banned. However we as a community need to calm down and focus on reports with actuate information and stop spreading misinformation.
The more we label everything cheat engine or exploit the more false reports ZOS needs to deal with.
We still have people who submit cheat reports for animation cancelling or miats, when neither no matter how despised are a breach of the ToS.
@Soul_Demon you seem to be mistaken that I am asking people to give me proof. I don't believe I have ever asked players to provide me with evidence directly nor claimed I have any involvement in how it should be judged. I always instruct people with such evidence to provide it to ZOS and tell them the best means in which they can do that.
My point once again (which I seem to keep having to explain) is that we have reached a point where everyone comes to the forums, tells us ESO is infested with cheating, but then somehow fails to ever have anything to actually show that it's happening.
We - I mean the ESO/PvP community in this instance.Soul_Demon wrote: »@Soul_Demon you seem to be mistaken that I am asking people to give me proof. I don't believe I have ever asked players to provide me with evidence directly nor claimed I have any involvement in how it should be judged. I always instruct people with such evidence to provide it to ZOS and tell them the best means in which they can do that.
My point once again (which I seem to keep having to explain) is that we have reached a point where everyone comes to the forums, tells us ESO is infested with cheating, but then somehow fails to ever have anything to actually show that it's happening.
So, who is 'we' and 'everyone' as well as 'us' and can you clarify how you would be privy to the evidence supplied to the official reporting of cheating in cyro? How did you become involved in that process?
So- do you see how that is discouraging players from using officially sanctioned reporting process and suggesting what has been submitted was reviewed and found to be inadequate? Do you not also see where it suggests there is someone in the forums who is the gatekeeper who needs to preview evidence prior to submitting it? You really don't see that?
We - I mean the ESO/PvP community in this instance.Soul_Demon wrote: »@Soul_Demon you seem to be mistaken that I am asking people to give me proof. I don't believe I have ever asked players to provide me with evidence directly nor claimed I have any involvement in how it should be judged. I always instruct people with such evidence to provide it to ZOS and tell them the best means in which they can do that.
My point once again (which I seem to keep having to explain) is that we have reached a point where everyone comes to the forums, tells us ESO is infested with cheating, but then somehow fails to ever have anything to actually show that it's happening.
So, who is 'we' and 'everyone' as well as 'us' and can you clarify how you would be privy to the evidence supplied to the official reporting of cheating in cyro? How did you become involved in that process?
So- do you see how that is discouraging players from using officially sanctioned reporting process and suggesting what has been submitted was reviewed and found to be inadequate? Do you not also see where it suggests there is someone in the forums who is the gatekeeper who needs to preview evidence prior to submitting it? You really don't see that?
Everyone - I mean the people who continue to make threads on this topic.
Failure to show evidence - I mean the lack of anything but "cheating happens in Cyrodiil" i.e. screenshots or videos (edited to remove names) showing that something is happening and ZOS isn't taking action.
I am not privy to any information players submit and I don't understand why you seem to keep believing I am involved in that process. I've not made any request or mention of being part of that past answering your question of what I would do were information given to me.
If you mean my saying lack of evidence is being provided this is because we see a lot of posts about how cheating happens, yet we don't seem to have anyone providing anything more than some words.
I don't believe I have discouraged anyone from submitting anything. In fact I believe I have time and time again encouraged people to supply any information they have to ZOS and told them the most efficient methods in which to do so.
My points in posting is for people to potentially think before making hyperbolic threads on the issue.
I'm not sure what you mean with this gatekeeper thing at all nor how I have at any point said anything which would deter anyone from posting information to ZOS. Literally the first post in this thread I told people to submit information to ZOS.
This thread also isn't benefiting from our back and forth which seems to be mostly around misunderstandings in communication, so it might be better if we snip it off and keep to the subject of the thread.