I never understood why makeup and eyelashes and hair-styles were gender locked in this game. I get the racial items as head shape and horns and that sort of thing create design issues, but nothing in the game should be gender locked as CyrusArya mentioned it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

coop500 wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about actual more character customization options that are not locked behind paywalls, not.... Crossdressing.

People ask for greater personalization and freedom to create them, what is your idea for an ideal world?

Yes I agree these shouldn't be gender locked. The clothes aren't. If I am going to put on a pretty dress I want accessories to match it!

I'm always up for more character customization options. I pvp hard, I dungeon delve hard. I go hardcore with my character dress-up too.

Stania wrote: »

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

I am not in a position to accept your idea, you may be misunderstanding by your part.
I own all the packs, I see many limitations although there is the possibility of using some races, but not all, and this is more focused on gender, there are attires that change according to your base gender and I would like to be able to choose, and the same with khajiit and argonian tattoos, and what about female hairstyles? or the jewelry and accessories?

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

I too would like skin and marking packs for Khajiits and Argonians, too. It'd be fun to have more marking and color choices.

ArchMikem wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

CardboardedBox wrote: »

Completely unrelated to crossdressing in particular, but a skin pack that contains multiple skins, specifically for orcs only, of different shades of actual green. Not that sickly human greenish they only have.

I too would like skin and marking packs for Khajiits and Argonians, too. It'd be fun to have more marking and color choices.

I just wanted fluffier tails for my cats. Theyre too thin and dainty for my liking.

I also agree to that, finally the thread is getting more on track and broader ideas. I'd love for tails about twice as thick, the khajiit tails are like rat tails ATM lol.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Stania wrote: »

-The bodypaint pack, face paint pack and cosmetics pack from the crown store allow you to use them on every character, regardless of their race (with exception of khajiit and argonians, for technical reasons).
-Newer makeup and hairstyles can be worn by both sexes.
-All clothing can be worn by either sex.
-ZoS won't modify old cosmetic stuff, unless they release them as a "completely new" item in the crown store. If they're going to pay someone to modify what's already there, that isn't crucial to the game, they'll be better get some revenue from it.

Just wait, you'll have a wider collection of items that catter to your needs.

Now, on the risk of having my response deleted (because "heaven forbid" you dare to engage on this kind of topics in other way that praising or agreeing):

Apache_Kid wrote: »

I would still like gender as an option so I didn't have to try and create a female or male character from scratch. I'm bad enough at making characters as it is.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

it would be nice if the character creator system didn't have gender as an option, just body sliders so you could craft what you wanted without a box of presets.

In ESO, characters are created in base of biological sex: male and female. Since sex and gender are different things (as some claim), you can perfectly define the latter via roleplaying and cosmetic stuff, because no one (with exception of some other roleplayers and friends) is going to care if your character identifies as an agender, cisgender, genderfluid.

This is a fantasy game, you don't need to adhere to those inaccurate and binary concepts, hermaphroditic offspring is just one example of a broad range of genetic abnormalities in reproductive organs that you can look into yourself. I think Apache_Kid is right, that there should be a simple check box for male and female, but it wouldn't preclude having a slider that morphs between the two body builds so you could pick a bone structure in the middle somewhere allowing a more feminine and curvy male or a more masculine and svelte male.

That's what the thin, heavy and muscular slider triangle thing is for, you can make a skinny boy or a buff woman..

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
...

You do have the freedom to use them freely,
(largely) unimpeded by your sexual and gender identity
aside from your assertion that a specific character model needs to be modifiable in potentially unavailable forms

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.
...

Would like to be able to use Wood Elf/Orc labret piercings on Breton characters
have not picked up the adornment pack due to concerns it will still be unavailable as it is at character creationn
my presupposition is that since the head models used are different, the labret piercings were never tested or adapted for Breton face morphs
so rather than have to alter them in accordance with race, or risk having weird issues like piercings showing up in the center of a mouth
they just locked them out

the issue would likely be more pronounced between male and female characters
and untenable in a swap from Khajiit or Argonian to a different race

If ZOS can alter the coding in a simple manner so that the original cosmetic items work across all races and genders, then fully approve of your idea
if it is going to stray into the direction of them doing remodeling work on all the piercings and stuff to adjust for races
would rather see that artist work time go into producing new cosmetic items and piercing options that are not race or gender limited from the start

Agree with the core concept of your proposal in terms of expanding customization moving forward
potentially going further and requesting that we additionally be able to employ multiple piercings and/or makeup items simultaneously (a nose/labret piercing combo for females, for example)
but disagree with spending more time going back and touching up several year-old items (pending further information that the morphs are already available as assets and are *only* code-locked at present)

Samadhi wrote: »

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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Package of female accessories and cosmetics, I'm a transexual guy who likes to dress and wear femenine clothes and cosmetics, so my character is a true reflection of that personality, but I'm limited when I try to use jewelry, eyelashes and some cosmetics that are only for the female gender. It should be possible for people who buy these cosmetic packages to have the freedom to use them freely, whatever your sexual and gender identity.
...

You do have the freedom to use them freely,
(largely) unimpeded by your sexual and gender identity
aside from your assertion that a specific character model needs to be modifiable in potentially unavailable forms

Futura_Aeterna wrote: »

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An example for me is that there is a male khajiit piercing on the nose that I would have liked to put on my argonian, using the packs to unlock those customization options would give more freedom and variety to the game.
...

Would like to be able to use Wood Elf/Orc labret piercings on Breton characters
have not picked up the adornment pack due to concerns it will still be unavailable as it is at character creationn
my presupposition is that since the head models used are different, the labret piercings were never tested or adapted for Breton face morphs
so rather than have to alter them in accordance with race, or risk having weird issues like piercings showing up in the center of a mouth
they just locked them out

the issue would likely be more pronounced between male and female characters
and untenable in a swap from Khajiit or Argonian to a different race

If ZOS can alter the coding in a simple manner so that the original cosmetic items work across all races and genders, then fully approve of your idea
if it is going to stray into the direction of them doing remodeling work on all the piercings and stuff to adjust for races
would rather see that artist work time go into producing new cosmetic items and piercing options that are not race or gender limited from the start

Agree with the core concept of your proposal in terms of expanding customization moving forward
potentially going further and requesting that we additionally be able to employ multiple piercings and/or makeup items simultaneously (a nose/labret piercing combo for females, for example)
but disagree with spending more time going back and touching up several year-old items (pending further information that the morphs are already available as assets and are *only* code-locked at present)

I have fallen in love with his particular way of understanding my proposal. +1

Phage wrote: »

Y'know...

I just want more jewellery options for males.

Earrings, eyebrow studs, lip piercings, etc.

It's completely lame that males have extremely limited options for jewellery.

Yes! I want gold hoop earrings for my male Redguard so badly and I have no idea why they're female only (or Khajiit-only, but I figure that's harder to code so I'd settle for the female ones even though the Khajiit ones are more what I'm after).

I am all for more customisation options!!