Achievements: very alt unfriendly

Nemesis7884 · November 2017

The game in general is extremely alt unfriendly which i think is a dumb business move...this becomes especially aparent with achievements where you MASSIVELY benefit on doing everything on the same character.. i think it would be great if they would make achievements account wide - or to account for that you could say you have to get the achievement for 100% of the requirement if you reach it with one character or 150% over all your characters whatever comes first (for qunatifiable achievements that is)

Morgul667 · November 2017

The game is alt friendly thanks to cp being shared on all your char

Achievement is another story but you dont have to refarm all your cp points which is cool

Aliyavana · November 2017

As long as some achievements, such as flawless conquerer are not account wide. Some classes is harder to get it than others

LordGavus · November 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

The game is alt friendly thanks to cp being shared on all your char

Achievement is another story but you dont have to refarm all your cp points which is cool

Agree with the alt friendliness of shared cp.

A thought about non shared achievements, if you're a completionist with multiple characters you will spend more game time earning the achievements on all characters.
If achievements were account based these players may spend less time in game.
Looking at it this way you could argue that non shared achievements are a good business decision, not bad.

Anyway, because achievements are not shared I only aim to complete everything on my main. I'm not too bothered about it on my alts. I do work get the title that suits each alt though.

Everstorm · November 2017

Consider it an achievement to achieve all the achievements on one character.

Alaztor91 · November 2017

ZOS logic lol, you have achievements that give you dyes or costumes/polymorphs(which are account bound) but the achievement/title is still per character, how does that makes any sense idk.

I understand that certain ones like the achievements related to quests/skyshards/dungeons/etc shouldn't be accountwide because they are tied to skillpoints and other things, but stuff like the collectible achievements, dark anchors, fishing, etc stuff that is just tedious and a time sink should imo be account wide

redspecter23 · November 2017

I think at this point, I'd be fine if all achievements were account wide. Keep the titles character based and let me work on achievements with my entire roster of characters. Character achievements keep me from doing some activities. If I'm on an alt, I have no interest in fishing. I'll never go for that achievement on all 14 characters so I only bother doing it on my main. Motif achievements are similar. Not a huge deal of course as it's just achievements, but it would actually increase my interest in achievement hunting if I knew they were account wide.

It might make it a bit easier for players that have many alts to go hunting achievements as well. For instance if my playgroup has 3 players with a healer as their main character, they all might fight a bit to get in groups for the harder achievements. If they could bring an alt dps/tank, it makes it a bit easier logistically.

TheValar85 · November 2017

well it is not alt friendly enough, no account wide titles, nor achievments, nor skyshards, nor account wide undaunted guild levels. it is definetly not alt friendly at all, they are a painful grindfest still reguardless of the shared CP system. I have actualy became wayy faster cp 690 then level 9 undatned.

Nemesis7884 · November 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

The game is alt friendly thanks to cp being shared on all your char

Achievement is another story but you dont have to refarm all your cp points which is cool

well i care less about the achievements themselves and more about the unlockable dyes which are really annoying for things where you have to do a lot of xyz if you spread over several chars or want to have themed / alliance specific chars

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

The game is alt friendly thanks to cp being shared on all your char

Achievement is another story but you dont have to refarm all your cp points which is cool

well i care less about the achievements themselves and more about the unlockable dyes which are really annoying for things where you have to do a lot of xyz if you spread over several chars or want to have themed / alliance specific chars

Once dyes are unlocked, you can use them on every toon you got, I am 100% sure you can. So I am not sure what you are on about.

Also it is okay to just have one toon, you don't need to have all 8 or 14 toons to have fun in the game.

TheValar85 wrote: »

well it is not alt friendly enough, no account wide titles, nor achievments, nor skyshards, nor account wide undaunted guild levels. it is definetly not alt friendly at all, they are a painful grindfest still reguardless of the shared CP system. I have actualy became wayy faster cp 690 then level 9 undatned.

I am literally in aw if this is true, you can have undaunted 9 in like three days if you know what you are doing and have a good team.

Blue_Radium · November 2017

The current achievement setup motivates me towards sticking with my main, keeping at least one level 50 of each class/alliance/role ready in case they are needed. Account-wide achievements would give my 4 alts a lot more playtime.

There are benefits to both account-wide and character bound setups. I see the arguments for both and would personally prefer account-wide achievements. Being able to not worry about which character I give which bit of achievement progress to trumps achievement repeatability in my mind.

Loralai_907 · November 2017

I only worry about achievement points on one character. I can't imagine trying to get ALL THE THINGS on every single character.

TheShadowScout · November 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

The game in general is extremely alt unfriendly...

No, its not!

ESO is more alt friendly then any other MMO I ever played so far, through the champion system sharing all post-50 progress! In every other MMO I have been playing, you had to level each character seperately, even those which switched to some "alternate system" (like specializations in STO, or AA in AoC...)

Yeah,. the achievements are character specific.
As they should be.
They are after all merely a track record of what -this character- has done. What skyshards -this character- has found. What crafting styles -this character- has learned. Which places -this character- has visited. (which makes the journal a good place to check up on your character progress, see what you missed in this or that map and so on - as it ought to be!)

There are only two things that come with achievements - dyes, which are already unlocked account wide, and titles, which should not be unlocked account wide, for the already mentioned reason that some titles are harder on some characters... and for the simple plain fact that it makes completely no sense at all when a newly made alt can run around with the "Archmage" title when they haven't even joined the mages guild yet!

But every month or two we get one of the "gimme crowd" make a thread arguing they should be given all their achievements account wide because they are oh so entitled and cannot be ars... uhm... bothered to do things on multiple characters and so on. Usually they also start whining about horse training, and crafting research, and skyshard skill points, and alliance rank... yeah, I have seen all those discussions.
And I am tired of them.

...

That being said...
...the one thing we really -could- use on the achievement front was an "account overview" from the character selection screen that shows which achievment was done by what character, and which not yet. The dye unlocks could be transferred to that one... and it could even have some new special rewards for multiple achievement completions, like playing through the mainstory with every class, or reaching some alliance war rank in each alliance, or stuff like that...

Runs · November 2017

I don't mind the achievements so much. I just wish the books from eidetic memory(not mages guild lore books) were account wide so I could get collect the ones I am locked out of getting on some characters.

Raghul · November 2017

Achievements should be accountwide imo, even the titles, it is not the character doing it but the player.

Morvane · November 2017

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/373385/achievments-account-wide/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/300297/achievments-account-wide-like-in-world-of-warcraft/p1

Tandor · November 2017

It depends entirely on how you play your alts. If you're really only into doing everything on one character and yet you want additional characters to play at "endgame" (whatever that is), then anything that has to be done on those characters between creation and max level is "alt unfriendly". You want everything to be account-wide.

However, if you play multiple characters as equal individuals and want to complete the whole game with them, being far more interested in the journey than the destination, then anything that your first character did but is now automatically granted to your other characters is "alt unfriendly". You want everything to be character-specific.

As it stands, the game achieves a pretty good balance between the two positions. Some would like all achievements to be account-wide, while others would like CPs to be character-specific. The game provides a compromise whereby CPs are account-wide and most achievements are character-specific. I can settle happily for that. The notion that it's the player who does stuff and not the characters is mainly a console concept, and not something that has traditionally been a part of PC play.

Darkstorne · November 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

The game is alt friendly thanks to cp being shared on all your char

Achievement is another story but you dont have to refarm all your cp points which is cool

well i care less about the achievements themselves and more about the unlockable dyes which are really annoying for things where you have to do a lot of xyz if you spread over several chars or want to have themed / alliance specific chars

The dye unlocks are account wide, don't worry

It is a big reason why I think most achievements should be account wide though, with the exception of title achievements (doesn't make sense to give a title to a hero who didn't earn it), because for all intents and purposes they already work this way. It would be nice to make the majority of them account wide progress, like CP is. Anyone who argues achievements don't make sense as account wide progress should also argue for CP to not be account wide if they want to be consistent, yet very few will do that.

Gargath · November 2017

If all achievements would be account wide, and you already had all achievements won on your main, starting a new alt would be less interesting, for a long time you would hae absolutely NO achievements. Having multiple alts that means a long playing without any achievements which is wrong imo.

Tandor · November 2017

Gargath wrote: »

If all achievements would be account wide, and you already had all achievements won on your main, starting a new alt would be less interesting, for a long time you would hae absolutely NO achievements. Having multiple alts that means a long playing without any achievements which is wrong imo.

That wouldn't be seen as a problem for those who don't want to play their alts until "endgame", they're leveling up by grinding for a few hours at dolmens etc and just want to be able to skip everything else but still benefit from the stuff they've skipped. The trouble is that that isn't playing the game in any accepted sense and any changes made to cater for it would wreck the leveling process for those who are interested in playing the game fully across all their characters. A better way of catering for the speed-levelers is to offer max-level tokens in the Crown Store that can only be used when you have a fully developed and max-level character. That would give them what they want without detracting from anyone else's enjoyment of the game.

LadyNalcarya · November 2017

Gargath wrote: »

If all achievements would be account wide, and you already had all achievements won on your main, starting a new alt would be less interesting, for a long time you would hae absolutely NO achievements. Having multiple alts that means a long playing without any achievements which is wrong imo.

There's not that many people with max achievement points, and I'm not even sure that all of them would like to go through IC scamp grind or something like this again.
Anyway, they could just add 2 achievement tabs - one character- specific and one account-wide. That would solve this issue.

Morvane · November 2017

Gargath wrote: »

If all achievements would be account wide, and you already had all achievements won on your main, starting a new alt would be less interesting, for a long time you would hae absolutely NO achievements. Having multiple alts that means a long playing without any achievements which is wrong imo.

lol do u think tHAT farming dolmens again for title is VERY EXCITING NEW JOURNEY?

I think everybody who is up for NON sharing achievments acc-wide must be forced to farm CP and costumes again. Say NO to 3 lvl chars in Emperor regalia!

Solariken · November 2017

I want account-wide achievements very badly. Naysayers have no leg to stand on, achievements should always be player-bound IMO.

The solution is incredibly simple, just add a stamp to each achievement that shows the name of the character and date. Like this:

Maelstrom Arena: Perfect Run
Kill all the things without dying or leaving the arena.
Completed by Solariken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Arcanoken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Endoken on MM/DD/YYYY

Only characters in the list can display the title. Seriously, who could actually be against that?

Tandor · November 2017

Solariken wrote: »

I want account-wide achievements very badly. Naysayers have no leg to stand on, achievements should always be player-bound IMO.

The solution is incredibly simple, just add a stamp to each achievement that shows the name of the character and date. Like this:

Maelstrom Arena: Perfect Run
Kill all the things without dying or leaving the arena.
Completed by Solariken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Arcanoken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Endoken on MM/DD/YYYY

Only characters in the list can display the title. Seriously, who could actually be against that?

That looks rather like an account list of character-specific achievements to me. Nobody is against having such lists in the game, what some are against would be, as per your example, Arcanoken and Endoken getting the achievement for killing all the things without dying or leaving the arena simply because Solariken had done it even tho they hadn't.

Darkstorne · November 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want account-wide achievements very badly. Naysayers have no leg to stand on, achievements should always be player-bound IMO.

The solution is incredibly simple, just add a stamp to each achievement that shows the name of the character and date. Like this:

Maelstrom Arena: Perfect Run
Kill all the things without dying or leaving the arena.
Completed by Solariken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Arcanoken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Endoken on MM/DD/YYYY

Only characters in the list can display the title. Seriously, who could actually be against that?

That looks rather like an account list of character-specific achievements to me. Nobody is against having such lists in the game, what some are against would be, as per your example, Arcanoken and Endoken getting the achievement for killing all the things without dying or leaving the arena simply because Solariken had done it even tho they hadn't.

Which is exactly what account-wide achievements are in other MMOs like WoW. It's not like only one character can complete each achievement. They all can, and many titles are character-specific from achievements regardless of account-wide lists. It's just that all completed achievements are account-wide (total score), labelled with each character that achieved them, and the annoying "kill X of Y" achievements can be chipped away at from all characters. Rewards like dye unlocks are already account-wide, so it makes little sense for anyone to be against this, unless they're also against account-wide CP.

Tandor · November 2017

Darkstorne wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I want account-wide achievements very badly. Naysayers have no leg to stand on, achievements should always be player-bound IMO.

The solution is incredibly simple, just add a stamp to each achievement that shows the name of the character and date. Like this:

Maelstrom Arena: Perfect Run
Kill all the things without dying or leaving the arena.
Completed by Solariken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Arcanoken on MM/DD/YYYY
Completed by Endoken on MM/DD/YYYY

Only characters in the list can display the title. Seriously, who could actually be against that?

That looks rather like an account list of character-specific achievements to me. Nobody is against having such lists in the game, what some are against would be, as per your example, Arcanoken and Endoken getting the achievement for killing all the things without dying or leaving the arena simply because Solariken had done it even tho they hadn't.

Which is exactly what account-wide achievements are in other MMOs like WoW. It's not like only one character can complete each achievement. They all can, and many titles are character-specific from achievements regardless of account-wide lists. It's just that all completed achievements are account-wide (total score), labelled with each character that achieved them, and the annoying "kill X of Y" achievements can be chipped away at from all characters. Rewards like dye unlocks are already account-wide, so it makes little sense for anyone to be against this, unless they're also against account-wide CP.

That certainly isn't something I support, and yes in theory I oppose account-wide CPs and dye unlocks, preferring my characters to achieve such things individually. In practice, however, I recognise that having those things account-wide while most achievements are character-specific is a sensible compromise on both sides so I'd leave the present system alone while arguing against those who would seek to change that compromise in favour of their side of the argument.

Irfind · November 2017

I only say motives .... how much are curently in the game ? 57? and i should collect them all new on twinks ? Hell NOOOO

Rawkan · November 2017

Achievements are nothing else than milestones for your characters, it makes sense to keep them separate.

Morvane · November 2017

Rawkan wrote: »

Achievements are nothing else than milestones for your characters, it makes sense to keep them separate.

milestones? go to your IT office pls and tell your tales about milestones, team and your own way there