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[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets
elijafire
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These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.
Notes:
* All previous lists are outdated.
* Updated to include new sets and correct errors.
* Ease or difficulty of getting any set is NOT considered.
* PvP vs PvE is NOT considered as a set is bad if it's bad regardless.
* Stopped updating due to lack of concern from all parties involved. Sun and Fun here I come
Rules of Engagement:
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include those that are SO situational as to be statistically worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much DETAIL as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.
* If you make a convincing enough argument I will remove or edit entry.
1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD included in #6 listed here as an example)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion and Infiltrator (not monster helmet sets)
6. All MOST sets with a stated CD over 1 3 seconds, Izos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for MOST sets (note the word MOST)
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor Set ...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivions Foe Set : Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit (used it for years in best case scenario as mag sorc healer in pvp although fun there are MUCH better alternatives for every scenario see above criteria for garbage)
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops. (there are now stam pets. set still total garbage due to insanely long CD other better sets easier to obtain)
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this.
19. Hircines Veneer ... 12% Stam recovery is almost nothing, it ought to be changed to cost reduction, like worm and have a weapon damage instead of 2 regen.
20. Gossamer is another set, they just need to make these sort of sets proc at full health, might be useful then.
21. Way of Martial Knowledge ... the best case is an extra 2.5% damage, 4 second cool down is too much, ought to be 2.
22. Shalidors Curse Set Healing taken slots are a waste, the last thing you want to be doing when below 50% health is be light attacking to get a trickle of health back
23. Ysgramor's Birthright. 400 SD for cold abilities mainly bc its borked and doesn't proc off of half of the frost abilities, if this is "as intended" then "abilities" is far to ambiguous.
24. Sithis' Touch. Gain Major Berserk for 20 s after using Blade of Woe such a narrow use in IC and questionable if it is even better than other sets that work everywhere all the time.
25. Shalks Exoskeleton Set This is one of those borderline good sets but its in some kind of identity crisis. It wants to be a tank set.. sort of... with the heavy armor and health enchants and traits on jewelry, but then it gives TWO bonuses for SPELL casters. Give it Major Heroism and we'll talk.
26. Warrior-Poet utter garbage, even the worst tank set does it better.
27. Ice Furnace. Only procs off of direct ice damage abilities... so like 2 or 3 frost staff abilities and 0 Warden abilities...the 4th set item is increase in weapon damage...Basically useless unless you are running with Frost staff which is very underwhelming at this point.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.
If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civilly or I will ignore you.
If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.
+ Edited to clarify, add links and for better readability
+ Added sets
+ Note, set % and amounts can be adjusted, no need for ANY CD's, also no need to make the damage dots.
+ We could make a list of Good sets but we want to bring the bad ones to light so they can be fixed, adjusted or deleted.
+ Not interested in "some person somewhere maybe might somehow justbecauseyoudon't blahblahblah" "arguments" Details please.
Edited by elijafire on June 7, 2019 6:48AM Notes:
* All previous lists are outdated.
* Updated to include new sets and correct errors.
* Ease or difficulty of getting any set is NOT considered.
* PvP vs PvE is NOT considered as a set is bad if it's bad regardless.
* Stopped updating due to lack of concern from all parties involved. Sun and Fun here I come
Rules of Engagement:
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include those that are SO situational as to be statistically worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much DETAIL as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.
* If you make a convincing enough argument I will remove or edit entry.
1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD included in #6 listed here as an example)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion and Infiltrator (not monster helmet sets)
6. All MOST sets with a stated CD over 1 3 seconds, Izos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for MOST sets (note the word MOST)
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor Set ...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivions Foe Set : Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit (used it for years in best case scenario as mag sorc healer in pvp although fun there are MUCH better alternatives for every scenario see above criteria for garbage)
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops. (there are now stam pets. set still total garbage due to insanely long CD other better sets easier to obtain)
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this.
19. Hircines Veneer ... 12% Stam recovery is almost nothing, it ought to be changed to cost reduction, like worm and have a weapon damage instead of 2 regen.
20. Gossamer is another set, they just need to make these sort of sets proc at full health, might be useful then.
21. Way of Martial Knowledge ... the best case is an extra 2.5% damage, 4 second cool down is too much, ought to be 2.
22. Shalidors Curse Set Healing taken slots are a waste, the last thing you want to be doing when below 50% health is be light attacking to get a trickle of health back
23. Ysgramor's Birthright. 400 SD for cold abilities mainly bc its borked and doesn't proc off of half of the frost abilities, if this is "as intended" then "abilities" is far to ambiguous.
24. Sithis' Touch. Gain Major Berserk for 20 s after using Blade of Woe such a narrow use in IC and questionable if it is even better than other sets that work everywhere all the time.
25. Shalks Exoskeleton Set This is one of those borderline good sets but its in some kind of identity crisis. It wants to be a tank set.. sort of... with the heavy armor and health enchants and traits on jewelry, but then it gives TWO bonuses for SPELL casters. Give it Major Heroism and we'll talk.
26. Warrior-Poet utter garbage, even the worst tank set does it better.
27. Ice Furnace. Only procs off of direct ice damage abilities... so like 2 or 3 frost staff abilities and 0 Warden abilities...the 4th set item is increase in weapon damage...Basically useless unless you are running with Frost staff which is very underwhelming at this point.
28. Pelinal's Aptitude - It's just plain awkward, you have to jump through hoops to try and do what other sets do easily and better.
If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civilly or I will ignore you.
If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.
+ Edited to clarify, add links and for better readability
+ Added sets
+ Note, set % and amounts can be adjusted, no need for ANY CD's, also no need to make the damage dots.
+ We could make a list of Good sets but we want to bring the bad ones to light so they can be fixed, adjusted or deleted.
+ Not interested in "some person somewhere maybe might somehow justbecauseyoudon't blahblahblah" "arguments" Details please.
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All sets with a CD over 1 second?
How about Burning Spellweave or Briarthorns just off the top of my head?18 -
O_LYKOS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for your hard work on this information.
However, it's wasted. What is useless to you might very well be a good set for someone else. You're opinion does not dictate what sets are trash. That being said, you missed a whole bunch of sets off your list a lot worse lmaoPC NA - GreggsSausageRollXbox NA - Olykos66PS NA - Olykos26622 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭I was all set to defend Noble Duelist, and then I realized I'd confused it with Noble's Conquest (which is one of my go-to tank levelling sets).
And if sets like Selene didn't have a cool down they would be nerfed into dots instead of being their lovely bursty selves - look at how the community basically abandoned Viper after it was adjusted. So I can't say I agree with no.6.CP 750+
Never enough inventory space, even with storage coffers and a mule account5 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 second, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
Any Monster set that does damage then? Those sets give good damage to any dps. Before anyone says "a good dps doesn't need a monster set," literally the best dps in-game use these sets to bolster their dps. It's common knowledge that they do.Sorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's8 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭All sets with a CD over 1 second?
How about Burning Spellweave or Briarthorns just off the top of my head?
Briarthorns? You mean Briarheart? That set paired with Bahraha's Curse make for a very survivable character. With a high crit build, the healing is nice...
Bahraha's Curse:
5 Items - When you deal damage, you have a 25% chance to create desecrated ground for 5 seconds, which reduces the Movment Speed of enemies within by 70%, damages them for 1138 Magic Damage every 1 second and heals you for 100% of the damage done.
Briarheart:
5 items - When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
Briarheart is basically Crit Surge for Stam builds.12 -
amasuriel✭✭✭✭These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.
Rules of Engagement:
* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.
1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 second, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.
If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.
#5. Undaunted Infiltrator and a vMA weapon on a DK can make a very easy to play heavy attack build that can hit 25k+ DPS self buffed. See https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-hotr-ready/p1 So not useless
However I would happily add to the trash list:
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this
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mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The list really should be sets that are NOT useless
Makes for a much shorter list lol26 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
Someone using Rally. Which, I mean, that's already a pretty strange situation, but, just this side of maybe. Still not convinced it's a good option, but in that narrow situation, it could be beneficial. Maybe on a warden to proc Maturation? Even then, it's iffy.Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
Would be useful IF it applied on the werewolf leap. At that point it would be a game changer.Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
Okay, I'd stick a maybe on this for Stam Wardens. There's still better options for a stam build, but it is possible.4 -
elijafire✭✭✭All sets with a CD over 1 second?
How about Burning Spellweave or Briarthorns just off the top of my head?
Briarthorns? You mean Briarheart? That set paired with Bahraha's Curse make for a very survivable character. With a high crit build, the healing is nice...
Bahraha's Curse:
5 Items - When you deal damage, you have a 25% chance to create desecrated ground for 5 seconds, which reduces the Movment Speed of enemies within by 70%, damages them for 1138 Magic Damage every 1 second and heals you for 100% of the damage done.
Briarheart:
5 items - When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.
Briarheart is basically Crit Surge for Stam builds.
5 seconds of downtime is meh.These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.
Rules of Engagement:
* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.
1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 second, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.
If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.
#5. Undaunted Infiltrator and a vMA weapon on a DK can make a very easy to play heavy attack build that can hit 25k+ DPS self buffed. See https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-hotr-ready/p1 So not useless
However I would happily add to the trash list:
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this
Agree with all these.1 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tava's blessing - who's really still using this set since the change to armor skills? Cant use it in heavy or light anymore unless you are Nightblade (and maybe Warden for that silly 5% evasion buff.) As far as I know this is now the only crafted set in the game that only works for a class or two or medium armor setups.
At least Hunt Leader can still benefit anyone who's a werewolf.love is love3 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...
With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...
Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...
Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...
Now don't get me wrong...
Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...
From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...
FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on November 11, 2017 6:48AMUnyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s10 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would like to meet a person using prayer shawl.
Undaunted bastion is good. Too bad ...I never seen a Frost staff
Redistributor is interesting crafted set for tank healers. Works well with wardens and probably nightblades for same reasons.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭I would like to meet a person using prayer shawl.
You know, I have tried it, but its just not good; Combat Physician is far, far, better...
The one thing that I do like about Prayer Shawl is that Puncturing Sweeps can proc the damage shield, but the proc chance is low (only 6%) and the damage shield itself is very small...
Its just not worth it...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on November 11, 2017 6:53AMUnyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s5 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.9 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
Combat Physician is pretty good...
Especially as pertains my build and playstyle...
Prayer Shawl...not too good unfortunately.
Unyeilding Bias
PSN TheLordofMurder
PS4 NA
Magicka Templar
DC
The Combat Physician: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKaqUVm_8JE&t=142s1 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like Treasure Hunter. Works great on my build, but was terrible to farm.
Daedric Trickery is a great leveling set4 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Crusader doesn't belong on this list. That's all I have to say... #CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭victoriana-blue wrote: »I was all set to defend Noble Duelist, and then I realized I'd confused it with Noble's Conquest (which is one of my go-to tank levelling sets).
And if sets like Selene didn't have a cool down they would be nerfed into dots instead of being their lovely bursty selves - look at how the community basically abandoned Viper after it was adjusted. So I can't say I agree with no.6.
Are you saying that you use noble conquest when levelig tanks? How many tanks did you level? Do you understand how this game works....?
Nobody that understands how to level in this game will ever use anything than damage sets while leveling to 50...PC/EU 800 CP.
PvP MagSorc.Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
Valera Progib - Stam Sorc DC vMA Flawless Conqueror clear https://i.imgur.com/eYgpXG2.png
Valera Pozhar - Mag DK EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/jrsuK
Valera Podlechi - Mag Templar AD vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/N0BYq8 -
Imza✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....5 -
MrGarlic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
I totally agree.
Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.'Sharp Arrows'Mr.GarlicHidden by darkness, a shadow in the night,A sped arrow dissecting the gloom,Finding it's target, such delight.2 -
elijafire✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...
With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...
Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...
Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...
Now don't get me wrong...
Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...
From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...
FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...
The problem is the 6 sec CD. In a fight (especially in Cyro 6 seconds is an ETERNITY) combined with the pitiful shield makes it useless.
This is a prime example of just a small tweak would make this a worthy set. Half the CD and double the shield and you have a set that can compete with the other 10 healing sets. As of now... other sets do it better.0 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭Oblivious edge is trash in amongst some amazing sets.
It would be more useful if it just didn't exist.5 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
But there are almost no good skills that beat having an extra 7% max magic, which is between 3000 and 5000 extra max magic on most builds, you also lose out on a good five piece too, from an extra 200 base spell damage from law of julinanos or some such. It really is a bad deal for magic users to use TH, it is not as bad for Stam users to use toothrow (3% weapon damage is not as big as 7% mag, from evil Hunter) but still really not used if you are end game. So no reason to "hmmm"Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
I totally agree.
Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.
Care to share your build, I really can't think of any two skills that would be better for a pve dps to slot over inner light. I am genuinely curious.
As for MS loseing to TH, of course it would if you don't use inner light, TH is a full 10% crit with 100 spell Damage, MS is just an extra 8.7% crit. I wouldn't run either of them over law of julinanos and inner light.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 11, 2017 9:36AM2 -
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
I totally agree.
Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.
use crit/spelldmg/magicka-potions and you don't need inner light(although it would increase your magicka-->dps) and treasure hunter.Noobplar3 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...
With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...
Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...
Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...
Now don't get me wrong...
Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...
From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...
FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...
The problem is the 6 sec CD. In a fight (especially in Cyro 6 seconds is an ETERNITY) combined with the pitiful shield makes it useless.
This is a prime example of just a small tweak would make this a worthy set. Half the CD and double the shield and you have a set that can compete with the other 10 healing sets. As of now... other sets do it better.
With all due respect, but have you used Combat Physician in Cyrodiil?
I have, and have done so extensively (and continue to do so)...
I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that its not useless in Cyrodiil; its quite the opposite and has proven itself to be very useful to me again and again and again...
A few questions for you:
1) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can completely negate 80k damage per minute in PvE? I am pretty sure not many outperform Combat Physician in this regard...
2) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets perform as well as Combat Physician in Imperial City Sewers? For example, Transmutation or Wizards Riposte will only negate damage from an opposing player (which means their 5th piece bonus is useless against the Boss Monsters in the Sewers), but Combat Physician will negate damage from any source (except Oblivion damage of course)...
3) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can proc from you using Offensive Abilities? Once again, I am willing to bet that Combat Physician is better than many of those other 10 sets in this regard as well...
My whole point is that Combat Physician is no where near as bad as some of you make it out to be...
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