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QoL suggestion change survey location to writ drop off zone
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jlboozer✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about changing them from a map to a container...then we could just open them wherever and not have to put actual fun on hold. It's very boring running around collecting surveys imo...0 -
kamimark✭✭✭✭Why not just hit one button and have everything done for you? What's the purpose of writs, surveys, and master writs? To get you to explore the world, instead of standing at one station. Local turn-in keeps everyone from having to run to Craglorn, encourages you to inhabit the place you want. But you don't have to do surveys immediately, just build up a few and then run them, go see Tamriel.
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elantaura✭✭✭✭I'm for - I did six hours of writ collecting and ended up quitting for 3 months. I did have a few.
I don't think crafting should be making peoples blood boil. There's no heartwood no housing mats and we are sent all over for them.
There are daily s that get us out and about, there is cyrodil, there is even dame lorebooks to collect. This however makes me feel like "Sisyphus" pushing that boulder uphill - it's a punishmentPS4 EU 1200+ cp - I enjoy RP, Housing, PVE and PVP0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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See my previous post as to when it's the issue. It's the constant needing to change zones, face loading screens etc. made worse when you get multiple surveys.lordrichter wrote: »
How about enjoyable content which is rewarding. I don't go "man I love going to Riften" when I am literally porting there, running across the map, interacting with some nodes and then porting back to where I want to be.NO PLEASE!
Attuned crafting stations, turn writs anywhere, and now local surveys? We need reasons to go everywhere in Tamriel, not to forget all the "old" places.
If it is that much trouble to do it in The Rift, it is that much trouble to do it in the zone you are in. Just toss the surveys and be done with it.
There are better ways to make someone explore the world than this. As I said as well I don't explore and go "man this rift looks awesome!" I've done those zones many times, seen all they have.Why not just hit one button and have everything done for you? What's the purpose of writs, surveys, and master writs? To get you to explore the world, instead of standing at one station. Local turn-in keeps everyone from having to run to Craglorn, encourages you to inhabit the place you want. But you don't have to do surveys immediately, just build up a few and then run them, go see Tamriel.
I am just running to the locations because I have to go there to pick up my daily rewards, not because I want to enjoy the experience of being there or see something new and exciting.
Edited by Turelus on November 5, 2017 6:06PM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes it takes time to gather the writs, but they stack, so theres no reason you cant let them pile up for weeks before going to get them.
i had about 100. collected them all in one long run. i think i got about 3000 cloth, 4000 wood and 5000 ore. i dont have any idea on enchanting mats because i have so many, same with alchemy.0 -
kamimark✭✭✭✭
There are better ways to make someone explore the world than this. As I said as well I don't explore and go "man this rift looks awesome!" I've done those zones many times, seen all they have.Why not just hit one button and have everything done for you? What's the purpose of writs, surveys, and master writs? To get you to explore the world, instead of standing at one station. Local turn-in keeps everyone from having to run to Craglorn, encourages you to inhabit the place you want. But you don't have to do surveys immediately, just build up a few and then run them, go see Tamriel.
I am just running to the locations because I have to go there to pick up my daily rewards, not because I want to enjoy the experience of being there or see something new and exciting.
Not everyone shares the same experience as you. I know, that's shocking news. I've been in since beta, I run my maps and surveys from multiple maxed chars every couple weeks, and I'll pick up dolmens, chests, and nodes along the way.
For newbies, surveys drag them into entirely new territory, and the exploration-focused content like surveys should be aimed at newbies who still need to explore everything.
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭How about changing them from a map to a container...then we could just open them wherever and not have to put actual fun on hold. It's very boring running around collecting surveys imo...
Love that idea so much I really don't undertstood why it had to be a gathering type map thing when it could have just easily been a container with the 6 different stacks of materials 20-30 each.0 -
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i didnt ignore it. i just didnt have anything to say about it. but since you wanna go there...
People who cant be bothered doing simple things in the game, should never ever ever determine changes to the game.
you think its an inconvenience because you cant be bothered doing it. thats a really poor reason to implement a change for something that other players have absolutely no issue with.4 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
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There are better ways to make someone explore the world than this. As I said as well I don't explore and go "man this rift looks awesome!" I've done those zones many times, seen all they have.Why not just hit one button and have everything done for you? What's the purpose of writs, surveys, and master writs? To get you to explore the world, instead of standing at one station. Local turn-in keeps everyone from having to run to Craglorn, encourages you to inhabit the place you want. But you don't have to do surveys immediately, just build up a few and then run them, go see Tamriel.
I am just running to the locations because I have to go there to pick up my daily rewards, not because I want to enjoy the experience of being there or see something new and exciting.
Not everyone shares the same experience as you. I know, that's shocking news. I've been in since beta, I run my maps and surveys from multiple maxed chars every couple weeks, and I'll pick up dolmens, chests, and nodes along the way.
For newbies, surveys drag them into entirely new territory, and the exploration-focused content like surveys should be aimed at newbies who still need to explore everything.
For new players we have quests all around, this is more than enough to bring newbies everywhere. Atleast people in the first 2 years of eso explored the world without any survey sending them somewhere. There are also achievements, dailys and so on if you want something to guide you through the world...
Survey are imo a reward for doing crafting-dailys...but atm it's just a punishment for doing them. Either your inventory is full of them or you have to run around every 2...3 weeks for some hours doing more or less nothing instead of plaing the game.Noobplar1 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The amount of people in this thread who enjoy having their time wasted by load-screens and riding to-and-from wayshrines you've visited 1000 times is positively astounding. Imagine how miserable you must be to NOT want to make getting some raw mats less time consuming.2 -
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i didnt ignore it. i just didnt have anything to say about it. but since you wanna go there...
People who cant be bothered doing simple things in the game, should never ever ever determine changes to the game.
you think its an inconvenience because you cant be bothered doing it. thats a really poor reason to implement a change for something that other players have absolutely no issue with.
It's an inconvenience because some of us have things like full-time jobs and families and other responsibilities that adults have to deal with. You think I should spend my limited play-time sitting in load-screens to get some raw mats THAT I ALREADY EARNED by doing my writ and getting the RNG roll required to get the survey. I understand that some folks have many hours they can dedicate daily to this game but not all of us are like you. We do not want our time to be taken up by activities that are un-enjoyable that we have completed hundreds of times.
And I'm sure you will respond with "Well you don't have to do them" except that I do because they made the mat requirements for 160 gear to be 100-something per piece, so I must do these to craft my gear or spend even more time hunting down 3-piece nodes.
There is more than enough meaningless grinding and repetition we just want some of that repetition and menial labor to be taken out. Wanting other players to continue to have to go through this excruciating process of harvesting multiple surveys is borderline sadistic.3 -
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✭Apache_Kid wrote: »The amount of people in this thread who enjoy having their time wasted by load-screens and riding to-and-from wayshrines you've visited 1000 times is positively astounding. Imagine how miserable you must be to NOT want to make getting some raw mats less time consuming.
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I know right? But they like it so apparently if you have a different opinion on it you're not qualified to make an assessment about the game.
Still waiting to hear how changing it so 50% of the time you get a survey for the zone you are in, and 50% of the time you get a random survey stops these players from getting exactly what they want, while still allowing crafters to have a somewhat easier time collecting surveys.3 -
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✭Completely disagee. I love surveys that take you places. Part of the fun is finding and searching for the location.Edited by maboleth on November 10, 2017 4:53PM0 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »The amount of people in this thread who enjoy having their time wasted by load-screens and riding to-and-from wayshrines you've visited 1000 times is positively astounding. Imagine how miserable you must be to NOT want to make getting some raw mats less time consuming.
@Apache_Kid
I know right? But they like it so apparently if you have a different opinion on it you're not qualified to make an assessment about the game.
Still waiting to hear how changing it so 50% of the time you get a survey for the zone you are in, and 50% of the time you get a random survey stops these players from getting exactly what they want, while still allowing crafters to have a somewhat easier time collecting surveys.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »It's an inconvenience because some of us have things like full-time jobs and families and other responsibilities that adults have to deal with. You think I should spend my limited play-time sitting in load-screens to get some raw mats THAT I ALREADY EARNED by doing my writ and getting the RNG roll required to get the survey.
To be honest? Yes. Playing a game does not come without time and effort consequences, and you have to decide whether doing these things is an appropriate way to spend your time.
By all means, do make the suggestion that they do the writs locally, or some of the writs locally, but ultimately, the ball is in your court, not with ZOS. You are the one that decides how to spend your time. When you stop doing writs because they are not worth it, due to the reward, the time required to complete them, or both, then ZOS will have concrete data to work with when they assess your suggestion.
Edited to correct mis-attribution.Edited by Elsonso on November 10, 2017 6:31PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭lordrichter wrote: »To be honest? Yes. Playing a game does not come without time and effort consequences, and you have to decide whether doing these things is an appropriate way to spend your time.
By all means, do make the suggestion that they do the writs locally, or some of the writs locally, but ultimately, the ball is in your court, not with ZOS. You are the one that decides how to spend your time. When you stop doing writs because they are not worth it, due to the reward, the time required to complete them, or both, then ZOS will have concrete data to work with when they assess your suggestion.
1. Sry, but this is crap. Zos changes zhings without looking at numbers etc. If they would, some pretty big changes would not have been made in the past.
2. If he wants to make a suggestion, why is it a problem for you? As you can see, some doi have a similar opinion...
Problem is: You get a reward, and to get the reward you have to do another task...
[minor edit for quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on November 10, 2017 6:54PMNoobplar1 -
PS4_ZeColmeia✭✭✭✭✭This is why I did surveys 1x a year, sux because it takes up a lot of bank space but not a bad way to nuke 3 days of gamingPSN: ***___Chan (3 _s)
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Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »To be honest? Yes. Playing a game does not come without time and effort consequences, and you have to decide whether doing these things is an appropriate way to spend your time.
By all means, do make the suggestion that they do the writs locally, or some of the writs locally, but ultimately, the ball is in your court, not with ZOS. You are the one that decides how to spend your time. When you stop doing writs because they are not worth it, due to the reward, the time required to complete them, or both, then ZOS will have concrete data to work with when they assess your suggestion.
This is such a load of BS for an answer. The ball is in ZOS's court to fix something that is a waste of time. At the very LEAST, after I've done a specific survey 3 times I should be able to pick it up from the drop-off location. OBVIOUSLY I have the ultimate choice in how I spend my playtime and myself along with many others are speaking up that after the 20th time of gathering the same "Wrothgar Woodworking Survey II" location we are bored. The content sucks and we want a change. Either make the process of getting the survey more fun or make it less time consuming. The current system sucks.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »It's an inconvenience because some of us have things like full-time jobs and families and other responsibilities that adults have to deal with. You think I should spend my limited play-time sitting in load-screens to get some raw mats THAT I ALREADY EARNED by doing my writ and getting the RNG roll required to get the survey.
To be honest? Yes. Playing a game does not come without time and effort consequences, and you have to decide whether doing these things is an appropriate way to spend your time.
By all means, do make the suggestion that they do the writs locally, or some of the writs locally, but ultimately, the ball is in your court, not with ZOS. You are the one that decides how to spend your time. When you stop doing writs because they are not worth it, due to the reward, the time required to complete them, or both, then ZOS will have concrete data to work with when they assess your suggestion.
1. Sry, but this is crap. Zos changes zhings without looking at numbers etc. If they would, some pretty big changes would not have been made in the past.
2. If he wants to make a suggestion, why is it a problem for you? As you can see, some doi have a similar opinion...
Problem is: You get a reward, and to get the reward you have to do another task...
Uh.
"By all means, do make the suggestion"
The suggestion is not a problem, which is why I said the above stuff that you did not read.
When someone brings up having a full-time job and family, along with other adult responsibilities, in a discussion like this, it is a flag on the play. The implication, stated or not, is that the person is weighing personal responsibility with playing a game. Now, of course, this is probably just a made up argument, but either way, there is a problem.
If the person is neglecting their work and family to do surveys because they have to, the problem is not with ZOS and the answer is not making the surveys zone specific. The answer is that they need to stop playing the game. Period.
If they are not neglecting work and family, then the whole issue is moot. They are managing their time like an adult. The entire line of reasoning is nothing but drama. They are intentionally doing the surveys. They need to decide whether they want to continue to do them. If they continue to do them, there is no reason for ZOS to change. The player is willing to do the task. Only if they stop doing it does the argument carry weight.
Edied to fix mis-attribution.Edited by Elsonso on November 10, 2017 6:32PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »
To be honest? Yes. Playing a game does not come without time and effort consequences, and you have to decide whether doing these things is an appropriate way to spend your time.
By all means, do make the suggestion that they do the writs locally, or some of the writs locally, but ultimately, the ball is in your court, not with ZOS. You are the one that decides how to spend your time. When you stop doing writs because they are not worth it, due to the reward, the time required to complete them, or both, then ZOS will have concrete data to work with when they assess your suggestion.
1. Sry, but this is crap. Zos changes zhings without looking at numbers etc. If they would, some pretty big changes would not have been made in the past.
2. If he wants to make a suggestion, why is it a problem for you? As you can see, some doi have a similar opinion...
Problem is: You get a reward, and to get the reward you have to do another task...
Uh.
"By all means, do make the suggestion"
The suggestion is not a problem, which is why I said the above stuff that you did not read.
When someone brings up having a full-time job and family, along with other adult responsibilities, in a discussion like this, it is a flag on the play. The implication, stated or not, is that the person is weighing personal responsibility with playing a game. Now, of course, this is probably just a made up argument, but either way, there is a problem.
If the person is neglecting their work and family to do surveys because they have to, the problem is not with ZOS and the answer is not making the surveys zone specific. The answer is that they need to stop playing the game. Period.
If they are not neglecting work and family, then the whole issue is moot. They are managing their time like an adult. The entire line of reasoning is nothing but drama. They are intentionally doing the surveys. They need to decide whether they want to continue to do them. If they continue to do them, there is no reason for ZOS to change. The player is willing to do the task. Only if they stop doing it does the argument carry weight.
LOL this is such an absurd line of reasoning. Why do we have to stop doing the task for the argument to be valid? Your argument of "Well all games require some time commitment" is hilarious in a game that already requires so much grinding. What we are saying is that because we have other responsiblities, we do not want to have to repeat the same boring content for the 50th time, when there is NO argument for why it can't be received at the writ drop off location. The ONLY argument is that they want the player to waste more time.
Now, because of the way the game is designed, these surveys have a value. With so many mats being required to make 160 piece of armor, and EIGHT gold tempers required to upgrade an item, the value of the mats in these surveys (WHICH WE EARNED AS PAYMENT FOR A JOB COMPLETED) is very high.
SO, If the game is going to place so much value on them, while ALSO making me jump through ANOTHER hoop, to get my reward, the very LEAST they can do is make it more entertaining or less time consuming.
PLUS, Xbox has been plagued by long loading screens for a long time and now, we get stuck in them and have to quit out of the whole game. It blows my mind how you and ZOS want me to go through many load screens as a task to claim my reward when they do not work properly.
EDIT: I'm not weighing any sort of responsibilites with this game. I do EVERYTHING I need to get done and then play in my free time. Not a single time do My responsibilites get slighted to play the game the IMPLICATION I am making is that the way im spending my free time during surveys is boring. You're also a real jerk for assuming someone is shirking their responsibilites for a game when you know nothing about their life.
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✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »LOL this is such an absurd line of reasoning. Why do we have to stop doing the task for the argument to be valid?
The issue is moot because you are over emphasizing the problem. You must stop doing the task to reinforce that you mean it to be as important as you say it is.
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✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »LOL this is such an absurd line of reasoning. Why do we have to stop doing the task for the argument to be valid?
The issue is moot because you are over emphasizing the problem. You must stop doing the task to reinforce that you mean it to be as important as you say it is.
You sound like one of the factorums in the Clockwork City.
I don't need to stop doing a damn thing to make my point. I don't even understand your point now.0 -
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✭What I would like is for the resource writs to become tradeable. They just collect and collect and it's always grindy and unfun to do them... I mean, for me at least. I would rather sell mine on the guild trader for a loss in profit and let someone else go through the hassle of grinding them out.1 -
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✭Instead of a survey just give us a half stack of whatever ore or a large number of flowers, runes.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What I would like is for the resource writs to become tradeable. They just collect and collect and it's always grindy and unfun to do them... I mean, for me at least. I would rather sell mine on the guild trader for a loss in profit and let someone else go through the hassle of grinding them out.
Now that would be a cool idea.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭wonder whatever happened to them looking into other ways of addin nirncrux to the game?
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