Didn’t BDO kill eso? Or was it fallout 4 that killed ESO?

Or was it the game going from sub to B2P that killed it?

Poor ESO always being killed they should use impen trait and L2P

Depends on when your here during the day it feels dead but at night I literally see hundreds of people in every major city while pvp is locked in all alliances even going to the wilderness of tamrial there is always somebody in front of me while all my guilds have 1000 or more on collectively

Considering there are so many people in the cities atm when I log in on -weekdays- and that the 2 most popular campaigns in cyro are almost always pop locked after 5pm, I dont really see it. Now, however, I can understand how people that mainly pvp are getting frustrated beyond belief across all platforms, which is why I have done a flat stop on pvp for a while now.

Illurian wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Endgame is Pvp, we can all assume this

No, no we can't.

There is a significant portion (I'd even argue a significant majority) of players that couldn't give any less of a frick about PvP. Thus, the end game cannot be assumed to be PvP for ESO's population.

Oh god you people! Worse than 2 five year olds fighting about whose dad is better!

Pvp is end game
Pve raids and dungeons are ALSO end game.

Get over yourselves, both are important. Grow up.

Illurian wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Endgame is Pvp, we can all assume this

No, no we can't.

There is a significant portion (I'd even argue a significant majority) of players that couldn't give any less of a frick about PvP. Thus, the end game cannot be assumed to be PvP for ESO's population.

Oh god you people! Worse than 2 five year olds fighting about whose dad is better!

Pvp is end game
Pve raids and dungeons are ALSO end game.

Get over yourselves, both are important. Grow up.

So never did I say that 1 is more important than the other, only that 1 cannot be assumed to be the end game for the whole population.

I love your ad hominem though, a truly distinctive mark of the maturity you preach. /s

Excuse me? The person you quoted also never said that pvp is end game for the entire population, so you are indeed flaming along the eternal battle of " pvp is more important, no pve is more important " whine off. Both of you just stop it.

Pvp is important end game for a lot of people

Pve is important end game for a lot of people.

This is almost as bad as the childish console wars.

Grabmoore wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Endgame is Pvp, we can all assume this

Pvp is not balanced
The game is casual-friendly (too much)



So yeah, it's going to die

Wrong. PvP was , is and always will be a small part of the game. Most players have no interest in it at all (see vigor threads). This game gets carried by the sheer amount of ESO lovers. Real PvP players might move on , but the supporters of the IP will stay (at least until Skyrim online or so).

The main reason pvp is getting less and less popular is not because of people not enjoying pvp, it is because of the ever increasing lag in cyro ( bad hardware and software on ZoS's side ) and the loading screens that range from 5 minutes - infinite for console. Considering how the campaigns are still pretty much full after 5 pm, it is still popular. Me for example, I played pvp for a very long time off and on, but being forced into a 5 minute loading screen every time i transport from area to area gets old quick. And after a point , it isnt worth spending over half your time in cyro in a loading screen.

It's like if people had to wait 5-infinite minutes to complete a story line quest -every- quest. Imagine the impact that would have on the pve story aspect of the game. Only focusing on certain aspects of mmos has been seen in other mmos as well. Lets use SWTOR for example. BW focused only on story for a full year, and the numbers dropped through the floor, the game nearly crashed and burned, and now that the company is focusing on all aspects of the game again, numbers are slowly rising at a sloths pace. Every aspect of ESO is important, people want variety in an mmo. Sure there are people who only do story, only raid, only pvp, but those people are the minority, the majority do at least 2 different aspects of the game. Ignore one, the variety drops, interest drops, population drops. Variety is the spice of life after all.

Only reason I know people are leaving or taking "a long brake" from the game (apart from issues in "real life"), is the quality of the game itself. Not "balance", or anything suchlike. But constant game crashes, lag etc. I've NEVER heard anyone complain about "no new content", "unbalanced/not enough classes", "not challenging enough", "not enough furnishings", "same old boring pets" or whatever. It's the playability of the game itself, its very core.

As long as this doesn't improve, it's a great disadvantage for this game. I've tried to make a really good close friend play this with me, he's like "Nah, I know that game is a big mess, so at least not until they get that sorted - sorry". Some people actually laugh when you ask them to start playing, because of this. Seriously.

Raudgrani wrote: »

Only reason I know people are leaving or taking "a long brake" from the game (apart from issues in "real life"), is the quality of the game itself. Not "balance", or anything suchlike. But constant game crashes, lag etc. I've NEVER heard anyone complain about "no new content", "unbalanced/not enough classes", "not challenging enough", "not enough furnishings", "same old boring pets" or whatever. It's the playability of the game itself, its very core.

As long as this doesn't improve, it's a great disadvantage for this game. I've tried to make a really good close friend play this with me, he's like "Nah, I know that game is a big mess, so at least not until they get that sorted - sorry". Some people actually laugh when you ask them to start playing, because of this. Seriously.

And there lies the issue. The software and hardware of the game, I have heard the very same thing mirrored. Until ZoS takes a step back and fixes the framerate issues , the lag (even when you live right next to the datacenters ), the loading screens, etc, the game will continue to slowly decline. No one wants to spend half their time in loading screens or running around in a slideshow with 80 ms ping or higher.