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(PVP META)Is Seventh Legion the new Black Rose?
Prince_of_all_Pugs
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Seventh legion is a great set, but is it as good as Black rose used to be? Lets discuss. : 
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know if that's a good analogy...more like "Seventh Legion is that new band that all the kids listen to these days and all dress like..."
And "Black Rose used to rock soo hard back in the day, but after their rhythm section left the band in 2016 they only play lighter alternative progression."
To answer the OP though, ide say yea they both were the meta of their time for stamina.
Edited by UppGRAYxDD on November 5, 2017 8:34PM"Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."2 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is seventh legion the new seventh legion more like it. Ever since the one tamriel setrework seventh legion was the best stamina heavy armor set for balanced defense and offense.Jo'Khaljor1 -
Magus✭✭✭✭✭Yes but you're not supposed to blow up their spot. Malubeth ignores battle spirit and buffs the seventh legion heal.... whoops, cats out the bat. Throw some health drain poisons and fancy potions in for good measure.
Remember kids, if the purple beam is on you, purge it off. If you don't have purge, break the beam with distance. And if they don't have a shield wall up, you might be able to kill them. Make sure to bring a pocket nightblade with you to fear them though.
And yes, seventh legion is better than black rose ever was if you combine it with the other cheese.Duraeon / Maoh
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I thought it just me seeing Malabeth ignioring BS again...it’s been healing folks for ridiculous amounts lolRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Anrose✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »I thought it just me seeing Malabeth ignioring BS again...it’s been healing folks for ridiculous amounts lol
Seems like for every big ZOS claims to fix, they reach into the bag of previously fixed bugs and throw them back onto the table.
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manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Let's just say this, all heavy armor sets that enable heavy to have more damage than medium need to be adjusted. It just makes no sense that set like Fury, Seventh, and Ravager enable heavy to have more damage than medium armor. Especially in a game where your damage stats increase how much you heal.- Mojican13 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Black Rose was overhyped, but it is a perfect case study on the nature of how reactionary and perception driven this community is. In retrospect, any given type that black rose was ‘OP’, sets like fury and seventh were surely more powerful. But black rose was what was put under a spotlight, and so black rose is what was put to the torch. Not because it was better, but because people hadn’t fully realized the potential of fury/7th aside from some early adopters like Sabre and @usmcjdking.
In that regard...ya seventh probably is the new black rose. In that it is the new hype beast, and if hirstory is to be believed, it will meet the same end.
Personally my play time has become far more casual lately. As such, I’m gonna stick with my good ole set of Hundings. It’s like the Honda Accord of sets. Not super sexy, but it will get the job done every single time and be kicking around 20 years later with a million on the meter.8 -
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✭✭I've been running Seventh Legion and Malubeth since the changes to Battlegrounds.
And yes I will agree that the setup feels pretty damn brutal. After having lost Shuffle and swapped over to forward momentum, I just wanted to boost up my healing, given I no longer have access to a burst heal.
Still learning the build, but when it works, it works well, though I am considering swapping to Bloodspawn.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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✭✭✭✭I've run both in their heyday. I think in peak times, the combination of cost reduction CP and proc sets made BR part of a stronger meta than 7th is.
However, there's a night and day difference in BGs when I run 7th versus when I don't on my stam warden. I almost feel obligated to find a spot for it in most game modes because although a medium armor burst, kiting build is more fun, 7th just makes you so strong. I can take a 3800 weapon damage setup and slot guard on it and stay alive EZ while contributing burst damage and healing to my group.
While I think the BR+proc sets meta was stronger in its time, I think 7th is very, very strong in the current meta. Paired with WW hide you can make a build with the ability to tank for long periods and still kill pugs on certain specs(particularly stam warden, but stam DK has a poor man's version)0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The biggest issues with 7th legion at the moment:
* The heal ignores battle spriit
* There´s no cooldown on the proc. Add a cooldown on a few seconds and the set is balanced.1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The biggest issues with 7th legion at the moment:
* The heal ignores battle spriit
* There´s no cooldown on the proc. Add a cooldown on a few seconds and the set is balanced.
Problem is, isn't this the only set that gives a strong heal with strong DMG? If so, they need to decide what the set is, because no other set in the game let's you pick both a decent heal and DMG without some cooldown or tradeoff.
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WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Black Rose was a good sustain set and benefited all builds.
Seventh Legion has 4 things that benefit my Orc NB and Stamplar and make them awesome but still vulnerable to burst. I wouldn't use it on stamina Warden, Sorc or DK. Which all wore Black Rose at some point or would have if it hadn't been nerfed.
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The biggest issues with 7th legion at the moment:
* The heal ignores battle spriit
* There´s no cooldown on the proc. Add a cooldown on a few seconds and the set is balanced.
Problem is, isn't this the only set that gives a strong heal with strong DMG? If so, they need to decide what the set is, because no other set in the game let's you pick both a decent heal and DMG without some cooldown or tradeoff.
I´m all for having unique sets that can offer a little bit of both. But adding a cooldown on this set would be a decent fix/change.0 -
Prince_of_all_Pugs✭✭✭✭✭Yes but you're not supposed to blow up their spot. Malubeth ignores battle spirit and buffs the seventh legion heal.... whoops, cats out the bat. Throw some health drain poisons and fancy potions in for good measure.
Remember kids, if the purple beam is on you, purge it off. If you don't have purge, break the beam with distance. And if they don't have a shield wall up, you might be able to kill them. Make sure to bring a pocket nightblade with you to fear them though.
And yes, seventh legion is better than black rose ever was if you combine it with the other cheese.
ROFL, this entire thread is was worth it because of this post.1 -
Mazbt✭✭✭✭I've come across acouple of tanky dks with malubeth recently which I found strange since i haven't seen the set in such a long time. As a previous post said I guess they are running 7th legion as well? It is not fun at all to fight that set up. Would rather watch pain dry or watch a download meter move slowly across the screen. Guess it's time to farm those sets to sell.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭The biggest issues with 7th legion at the moment:
* The heal ignores battle spriit
* There´s no cooldown on the proc. Add a cooldown on a few seconds and the set is balanced.
@Qbiken
It sure does not have any cooldown. But ignoring battlespirit is not what i am seeing on neither FTC addon or Combat Log. Depending on bonuses, the heal is about 750-850 per proc. That fits with the 1500 tooltip.PC - EU
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DemonDruaga✭✭✭✭The biggest issues with 7th legion at the moment:
* The heal ignores battle spriit
* There´s no cooldown on the proc. Add a cooldown on a few seconds and the set is balanced.
@Qbiken
It sure does not have any cooldown. But ignoring battlespirit is not what i am seeing on neither FTC addon or Combat Log. Depending on bonuses, the heal is about 750-850 per proc. That fits with the 1500 tooltip.
I'm seeing the same numbers on the heal proc.Ardor // Dunkelsicht // Pakt0 -
rimmidimdim✭✭✭I've been using seventh legion for 20 months now, and I don't think it's meta. Hundings better for duels and ulti bombs. Assassin's guile better also in small fights, with nasty poisons of course. In larger fights with lots of incoming damage especially dots seventh legion does shine. I haven't made a shacklebreaker set yet but I think it would preform better small scale fights also, maybe even large scale, idk, I might try it.
Im a stamblade in 5-1-1 heavy dw/2h. Those sets I change out and the other set I use with those sets is either spriggans or shield breaker. Just to give an idea of my experience with this set. Cheers.0 -
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✭The problem with 7th legion is that the heal is ignoring battle-spirit. Is a simple fix, with the heal cut in half by battle spirit, there will be no need for a cooldown (in fact, a cooldown will kill the set because it won't allow the weapon damage effect to refresh itself)
Also the set is good for open world, in 1vs1 is mediocre, the proc rate is very low, especially vs some classes that have all instant damage with little-to-non dots, like a stamblade or a magsorc.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ok guys. Malubeth proc makes all set based heals ignore battle spiritEdited by Lexxypwns on November 8, 2017 8:30PM5 -
Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah. I tested that after @Lexxypwns discussing it with me. Submitted a bug report and I hope that ZOS doesn't make balance chances based off of a bug.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma1 -
rimmidimdim✭✭✭Yeah. I tested that after @Lexxypwns discussing it with me. Submitted a bug report and I hope that ZOS doesn't make balance chances based off of a bug.
As I said in an earlier post, it's not OP or meta, just in certain situations. I never use malubeth and as such never noticed the heal ignore the battle spirit. It only ever healed me the half rate. I hope they see the bug also rather than make a decent all purpose set obsolete. Cheers.0 -
Magus✭✭✭✭✭Now look what you've done prince of pugs, a legitimate bug is being reported now and my post didn't get any awesomes.Duraeon / Maoh
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✭✭✭Black Rose was never that good as a primary set. It was a general sustain set that complemented proctard sets extraordinarily well by giving them their best bang for their buck for sustain since proc set 4pc & 1pc bonuses were generally very weak. It was cheap, easy to get, and pretty much worked right out of the box.
Good? Yes. Meta? At no point did any serious theorycrafter think Black Rose was the crux of any build.Edited by usmcjdking on November 9, 2017 3:15AM0331
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✭✭✭✭✭Ok guys. Malubeth proc makes all set based heals ignore battle spirit
Good find. It’s hilarious they never seem to be able to fix the set. The issues with it have a long history.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0