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jakeedmundson
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Returning player.... found morrowind for 10 bucks so i figured it was worth a shot.

Getting lost in all the changes... most vma weapons are bad? sharpened trait isn't great anymore?

Looks like mag DKs are in a worse place now? bad sustain and low damage from what i've read so far...
Anyone have a decent build they use? My old heavy attack build i used only hits about 20k - 25k on the dummy now. (doesn't help that i'm out of practice i'm sure)

I'm assuming there is something out there that can do better than that... If someone could point me in the right direction, that would be great.
CP690
Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
PS4 - DC
vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Vesper_BR
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    Wait a little more... If they address the off balance correctly... Mag dks will be buffed in DPS as we will not consume the off balance anymore and keep the damage bonus from exploiter passive.
    Edited by Vesper_BR on November 7, 2017 2:40PM
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • WatchYourSixx
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    Currently Mag DK are in a weird spot. If you go dual inferno staves you are heavily reliant on group support, otherwise you'll be heavy attacking a lot, which wouldn't be too bad if it didn't take so freaking long for one heavy attack animation, but I digress. If you do manage to get good group support your dps still is lower than a melee Stam, so no real point in mag DK in trials. As for dungeons, I'd recommend going inferno/lightning, using charged inferno with shock enchant on front and lightning back infused with berserk. You'll want a fancy rotation that uses lightning blockade meaning more bar swap than usual, and flame lash is a must. People can manage 40k on a dummy solo using that setup, however your ceiling is lower with it as well. The floor is much higher though because you get your own supply of off balance which means free whips, which means sustain is not an issue. I've only ever managed 40k solo on the pts with perfect gear, so that's kinda what I'm striving for on live.

    I personally just run the inferno/lightning setup so I never have to worry about sustain, plus I contribute to off balance for the group (even though I'm consuming it too) xD
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  • jakeedmundson
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    WatchYourSixx wrote: »
    Currently Mag DK are in a weird spot. If you go dual inferno staves you are heavily reliant on group support, otherwise you'll be heavy attacking a lot, which wouldn't be too bad if it didn't take so freaking long for one heavy attack animation, but I digress. If you do manage to get good group support your dps still is lower than a melee Stam, so no real point in mag DK in trials. As for dungeons, I'd recommend going inferno/lightning, using charged inferno with shock enchant on front and lightning back infused with berserk. You'll want a fancy rotation that uses lightning blockade meaning more bar swap than usual, and flame lash is a must. People can manage 40k on a dummy solo using that setup, however your ceiling is lower with it as well. The floor is much higher though because you get your own supply of off balance which means free whips, which means sustain is not an issue. I've only ever managed 40k solo on the pts with perfect gear, so that's kinda what I'm striving for on live.

    I personally just run the inferno/lightning setup so I never have to worry about sustain, plus I contribute to off balance for the group (even though I'm consuming it too) xD

    Thanks for the info! I did find a build and tried this setup (or something very similar with gear i have available)

    https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/

    I could only hit 23kish and couldn't sustain the rotation to save my life...
    i'm sure my rotation wasn't perfect, but to be off by 15k+ just seems like i've got something else way wrong.
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Vesper_BR
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    I'm doing 32k with his build
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • Vesper_BR
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    On console
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • jakeedmundson
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    Vesper_BR wrote: »
    I'm doing 32k with his build

    Are you using the moondancer setup? or the julianos/bsw?
    I'm using the 1st build but replaced moondancer with IA because i dont' have moondancer...

    Also... how many recovery glyphs on jewelry? I just realized i left them all as spell power... no extra recovery.
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Vesper_BR
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    Julianos + Bsw
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • Vesper_BR
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    I think I was using one reduce cost and witchmother's brew
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • Vesper_BR
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    http://xboxclips.com/VESPER BR/28e531ba-d5ab-42eb-b789-a0f4bd6c2c93/embed

    The rotation.

    Remember that the order you apply the dots influence the damage output... O don't know why exactly... But I managed do increase my DPS just by adjusting the order of skills in each bar.
    Edited by Vesper_BR on November 8, 2017 1:21PM
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • Asardes
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    "Bro where's my off-balance?"
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

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    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

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  • Vesper_BR
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    Asardes wrote: »
    "Bro where's my off-balance?"

    What happened?
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
  • jakeedmundson
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    Vesper_BR wrote: »
    http://xboxclips.com/VESPER BR/28e531ba-d5ab-42eb-b789-a0f4bd6c2c93/embed

    The rotation.

    Remember that the order you apply the dots influence the damage output... O don't know why exactly... But I managed do increase my DPS just by adjusting the order of skills in each bar.

    Awesome! Thanks a lot!

    I'll switch to the julianos/bsw build and try what you've done. If i could break 30k i'd be more than satisfied.
    CP690
    Lv 50 Dunmer DragonKnight Tank/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Sorcerer Dps
    Lv 50 Breton Templar Healer/Dps
    Lv 50 Altmer Nightblade Dps
    Lv 50 Redguard Sorcerer Dps
    PS4 - DC
    vSOHM - vAAHM - vHRC - vMA Flawless

    My version of a Heavy Attack Sorc build
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/294724/magicka-sorc-heavy-attack-build-homestead-ready/p1?new=1
  • Asardes
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    Vesper_BR wrote: »
    Asardes wrote: »
    "Bro where's my off-balance?"

    What happened?

    That will be the question from others in the group when you start using lash :)
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver

    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette

    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
  • Vesper_BR
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    jakeedmundson wrote: »
    Vesper_BR wrote: »
    http://xboxclips.com/VESPER BR/28e531ba-d5ab-42eb-b789-a0f4bd6c2c93/embed

    The rotation.

    Remember that the order you apply the dots influence the damage output... O don't know why exactly... But I managed do increase my DPS just by adjusting the order of skills in each bar.

    Awesome! Thanks a lot!

    I'll switch to the julianos/bsw build and try what you've done. If i could break 30k i'd be more than satisfied.

    That's great!
    Possible you can do more than me due to my ping, since I play from Brazil and my internet is bad... I'm sure you can do better! ;)
    VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
    XBOX ONE - NA - EBONHEART PACT BRASIL
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