Clicked through the build pretty quickly and it looks pretty nice.

One question though, why not just run Lich back bar to open you up for a Masters Inferno staff front bar?

I know that it isn't easy to get either of those compared to a lot of the other gear here, but I feel like it would help out.

Ayy, pretty unique. Liking the use of BOP, since its a half decent burst heal with good buffs.

How is it solo, whilst its possible for DK to put out lots of damage quite well and survive with others, solo its harder which is why s/b is used.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Ayy, pretty unique. Liking the use of BOP, since its a half decent burst heal with good buffs.

How is it solo, whilst its possible for DK to put out lots of damage quite well and survive with others, solo its harder which is why s/b is used.

It’s pretty good solo, you just have to be more aware of your positioning. It has less room for error then s&b does but it’s not designed to tank people. This set up is less forgiving when it comes to mistakes, but it’s a lot of fun!

In one of his videos, you'll see me yolo against an AD near Brindle. I get focused by two of them and die like a flithy casual. But Rin is still up and survives quite well enough to pack them up and avenge me.

I think most don't expect DK to output the DMG Rin does and spamming talons based on the enemy's CC immunity offsets the DK's lack of speed. He can move out of melee using talons, or setup targets for burst while his enemy has to think about if they should waste Stam to break out of the talons.

Aedaryl wrote: »

It's a pretty bad build, really.

You have low resistance, you have low damage, you have low defense, you have no defensive mechanic (not a shield, block or dodge build), you are using bad skills, like flame reach, wings, molten arments instead of better skills like stone fist/petrify, Engulfings flame or entropy.

All your stats are trash expect regen. You have too much regen and that's overkill. Destruction staff isn't really good like you build it, you have less damage than S&B even with the flame staff passive on single target attacks, and you don't weave with it.


I'm tired now, I will explain further tomorrow. But no one can tell it's a good build. It's a funny build yeah, but in term or min max, it's not good at all.

The interessting thing is about your build is the alysium staff combine with the blessing of protection and healing ward : it's a good way to deal with defile, and maybe a good option over coagulating blood and ingenious shield.

I mention the skills your talking about as alternatives. (Engulfing Flames, Entropy, and Flame Reach) are personal flavor. I use Engulfing Flames all the time. I mention using it. Reflective Scales isn’t totally useless there are 5 big ranged CC it’s effective against...Javelin, Destructive Touch, Crystal Frags, Snipe, and Stone Fist.

My damage number is at the perfect spot it should be...there is a point in damage you reach where it makes no sense to add more damage, and with the prevalence of cost increasing poisons and everything else the sustain is valuable. sure you can add more damage but you won’t get the benefit you would get in areas otherwise. The fact you pretty much have to use Leap as an execute against a competent player it is what it is.

Further more Apprentice Mundas + 3 gold SD glyphs is 255 + 174 + 174 + 174 = 777 SD it’s not like I’m neglecting damage.

The build favor sustain because you need it to spam expensive skills like healing Ward and Blessing of Protection. I can easily hit 40k max mag and higher crit slotting mage light and mage Mundas but DK skills benefit from SD more then Max Magicka and so does the healing. Light attack weaving doesn’t always work with lag and sometimes the light attacks work but re not even visible up close it’s been like this for a long time.

Armor and spell resist is nearly 3 times what my mag Sorc has in light armor it’s pretty good. Combing Healing Ward with Mist Form is also probably better in most cases then using Dampen Magic.

I have always favored sustain over damage. I get you don’t like it, fine. The damage however is perfectly acceptable to kill with. I have not run into anyone outside of pure dedicated tanks that I can’t kill in Cyrodiil.

I knew this set up would get some push back because it’s not typical. I am fine with that. Most DK don’t have anywhere close to my sustain as I have said before though I prefer the sustain. It matters very little if my Leap hits for 9k instead of 11k...in 9 out of 10cases the 9k is enough.

it’s a very good build once you know how to play it to it’s strengths. You can also swap apprentice for Mage and Add Magelight for 40k max mag, but I personally prefer the SD. Most mag DK run lower regen and higher spell damage but they also can’t maintain offense as long as I can and have to fall back to block. Everything has its pros and cons. I prefer this over sword and shield and I have had more success with this then any other setup including Sun and BSW...

Aedaryl wrote: »

It's a pretty bad build, really.

You have low resistance, you have low damage, you have low defense, you have no defensive mechanic (not a shield, block or dodge build), you are using bad skills, like flame reach, wings, molten arments instead of better skills like stone fist/petrify, Engulfings flame or entropy.

All your stats are trash expect regen. You have too much regen and that's overkill. Destruction staff isn't really good like you build it, you have less damage than S&B even with the flame staff passive on single target attacks, and you don't weave with it.


I'm tired now, I will explain further tomorrow. But no one can tell it's a good build. It's a funny build yeah, but in term or min max, it's not good at all.

The interessting thing is about your build is the alysium staff combine with the blessing of protection and healing ward : it's a good way to deal with defile, and maybe a good option over coagulating blood and ingenious shield.

Everything you said was right lol.
Dks synergize the best with low regen and max stats and high damage. Hence why a dragon can breath viscous flames and melt it’s enemies before it runs out if fuel.

zParallaxz wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

It's a pretty bad build, really.

You have low resistance, you have low damage, you have low defense, you have no defensive mechanic (not a shield, block or dodge build), you are using bad skills, like flame reach, wings, molten arments instead of better skills like stone fist/petrify, Engulfings flame or entropy.

All your stats are trash expect regen. You have too much regen and that's overkill. Destruction staff isn't really good like you build it, you have less damage than S&B even with the flame staff passive on single target attacks, and you don't weave with it.


I'm tired now, I will explain further tomorrow. But no one can tell it's a good build. It's a funny build yeah, but in term or min max, it's not good at all.

The interessting thing is about your build is the alysium staff combine with the blessing of protection and healing ward : it's a good way to deal with defile, and maybe a good option over coagulating blood and ingenious shield.

Everything you said was right lol.
Dks synergize the best with low regen and max stats and high damage. Hence why a dragon can breath viscous flames and melt it’s enemies before it runs out if fuel.

Low regen, max stats, and high damage doesn’t synergize well on a class whose primary damage sources are DOTs.

You can get an extra 2k worth of damage on Dragon Leap for example with your stats but 9 out of 10 times what you kill with an 11k Leap would die with a 9K Leap, only difference is my sustain is vastly superior.

Look I know most DK run lower regen and push for higher max stats. (I used to myself) This set up also attacks an enemies Stam pool which doesn’t show up on the character sheet because I can Talon every 2 seconds(if you roll out) perpetually without ever running out of magic and someone who can’t move can’t fight

I could easily swap Lich for Silks of Sun or another set for more damage for example and it is more damage but I found it unnecessary most of the time. I also personally do not like relying on Battle Roar with low regen. It’s been nerfed numerous times and it’s not as effective of a resource sustain as it used to be hence why DK complain about not having class passive sustain on par with other classes, (The new Siphoner also reduces resource return on Battle Roar)so i simply geared more sustain. What I killed with a 11k Leap dies with a 9k Leap as well, but I’ll never run out of magic in crucial situations.

Rinaldo, DKs dots are melee range and that forces you to go S/B, otherwise DW mDK would be top dog everywhere.

For ranged DoT, mageblade is way better than mDK and that one can solo easily because it has the tools to reposition itself. I'm quite sure your build, that's OK for a mDK, should be lethal on a mageblade.

Nevertheless, I appreciate a lot the build coming from a (ex) Sorc since you can see things mDKs usually can't see. Some mDK have looked for a build that allows you to go in light armor and using a staff but the thing is melee makes everything complicated, and not having a good reposition tool (mist is just a bad option, but the only mDKs have) hurts you badly.

Regarding DoTs, something I've been thinking a lot during the last weeks: though I like a lot the concept of a class that rely on DoTs, I think having thaum in the physical dmg constelation does not good for any magicka class that tries to based their build on them. That, and the exploiter passive put most of the mDK in disadvantage compared to other classes. I found hilarious a stam class can take advantage of Tactician and Exploiter while retaining most of its dmg potential, while mDK (who depends entirely of setting enemies off balance for burst) has to juggle their points to be able to use those two stars. That sole fact affects a lot the possibilities to build something different to the S/B mDK

Destro/VD DK is really a large group build... and at that point a magblade or magsorc is better. Both have more damage and magsorc has a ton more group utility.

Nice build. Keep it up.




OBS.: But please avoid using resource poisons. It's sacrilege to the PvP community.