Should new trials' normal mode be easier?

Lyserus · November 2017

Vet trials are supposed to be the challenge...right now there are little to none ppl looking for trial mates in zone chat for CWC trial, and zero ppl looking for Morrowind trial run partner
Which indicates those trials have difficulty even in normal mode, that probably only trial guilds can organize and pass it

Can we lower the normal trial run difficulty? Let casual players do the casual (normal) thing and pro, dedicated players do challenging thing (vet/hm)

Turelus · November 2017

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

Sixty5 · November 2017

I think they are in a good place.

The mechanics are all there, though they are nowhere near as punishing as in veteran, and the DPS requirements are nowhere near as onerous.

Normal trials are there to give newer players a chance at learning the mechanics, and getting the gear, they are still endgame content and don't need to be as easy as normal dungeons.

Lyserus · November 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

Larsay · November 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Vet trials are supposed to be the challenge...right now there are little to none ppl looking for trial mates in zone chat for CWC trial, and zero ppl looking for Morrowind trial run partner
Which indicates those trials have difficulty even in normal mode, that probably only trial guilds can organize and pass it

Can we lower the normal trial run difficulty? Let casual players do the casual (normal) thing and pro, dedicated players do challenging thing (vet/hm)

No, I really do not think this is needed at all.... Both can be done on Normal without a full group as it is. nHoF can be done with six people...

I think you are more likely to find troubles with getting a normal run of either of these trials going purely because most the more casual players may not have the DLC's in question.

Sixty5 · November 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

I see plenty of people in Clockwork City looking for normal Asylum runs.

CombatPrayer · November 2017

Maybe not everyone has clockwork. It's new dlc and not all have plus or have purchased it. So that might impact how many people also run trials and therefore LFG in clockwork city. Also, most trial guilds tend to run with guildies rather than going LFG. LFG can be a bit of a headache because the people who hop in them don't always care about mechanics and therefore make it a headache to get through.

Narvuntien · November 2017

Typically the issue is the time investment, rather than the difficulty. much harder to turbo through like a dungeon. Also why AS design is genous.

I am happy with the normal trial difficulty. I am handling them just fine with my 20K DPS, 300 Ping and severe mana issues on a MagDK.

I feels good to spread my wings a little without feeling crushed by difficulty like even some of the Vet dungeons.

Rawkan · November 2017

It's kinda sad that such a small part of the playerbase ever get to see the trial content.

DPShiro · November 2017

No.

AzraelKrieg · November 2017

Are you serious? Normal Asylum is a pushover and normal Halls is hardly a problem these days.

Turelus · November 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

Maybe it says there is no one with the confidence to lead one yet. Have you tried forming a group yourself?

Larsay · November 2017

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

I think normal trials are in about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through them without tactics and/or mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level or require fullgroups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they are afraid that these trials have a lot of tactics which wouldrequire a group of 12 people that were organized.[/quote]

There you go... fixed on multiple levels.

Ajaxduo · November 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

Hmm this is quite incorrect, CWC is paid for so you will naturally see less after the first month. Also most just farm it for the weapons then never touch it again. Craglorn trials are free and have plenty more good drops.

EvilCroc · November 2017

I think yes. I was not able to complete normal HoF with same group I previously have completed all veteran Craglorn trials.
This is not OK, I think.
(I just wanted to close Fyr's storyline before going to CWC, but no, it is too hard for me)

Pastas · November 2017

Normal trials are easy enough, you can avoid almost all the mechanics and just stack and burn everithing. Only a couple of bosses (like MoL tiwns) require some kind of strategy or group coordination.
In my opinion devs should increase slightly the diifficulty.

zaria · November 2017

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

Hmm this is quite incorrect, CWC is paid for so you will naturally see less after the first month. Also most just farm it for the weapons then never touch it again. Craglorn trials are free and have plenty more good drops.

Lots of people pug nAS, it tend be an wipe feast, yes its part as none know tactic.
The normal craglorn ones are far easier.
nMoL and nHoF is like nAS, nAS might be easier but fewer know tactics.

Saint_Bud · November 2017

Normal mode difficult is ok. More easy will be a joke. Its absolute no challange for evryone and only used for farming gear. Groups that cant play vet mode should have an more challange normal mode where they can have fun and learn for the veteran mode. Best way to run trials is to search a guild. There are a lot of them out there and many run trials on differant levels.

Lyserus wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I think normal is about the right place. They're not so mindless you can walk through without tactics and mechanics, but they're not brutal and require expert level groups.

I think the reason no one uses pick up groups for trials is because they have a lot of tactics which require 12 people to be organised.

still, you see ppl in craglorn looking fo craglorn trial partners everyday...

The fact that no one is looking for partners in CWC and Morrowind says something

Moast of the lfg craglorn trialsrun are createt from players that run vetmode trials or want to run them. They farming gear, moastly sets like 2 fanged snake, vicios ophidian and äther. The sets from the other trials arent es good at the moment, so no reason to farm it.

Kahina · November 2017

No, but there should be a no-reward basic trial for people to learn the mechanics from. Open to low level chars with no CP only. A training ground if you will.