ereboz wrote: »

With the MASSIVE announcement from Blizzcon this weekend, the next ESO chapter needs to be enormous if they want to maintain any kind of a player base. I'm getting tired of this 'new content' that's always the same thing; new zone, motifs, quests, dungeons, maybe a trial, etc. They need to add some content that lasts more than a couple weeks. I am definitely going back to WoW, hope to return to ESO if they ever give me a reason to

Blizzcon is not only WoW anymore, but about their whole franchise (including Destiny 2 now), but people are slowly turning away from blizzard because they focus more on cash-grabs, the Wow-storyline is comming to an end, and they make gameplay more for kids now. ESO in my opinion is still more of a adult game. So I dont think we should worry to much.

WoW? Ewwwwww.

The only think to pry me away from ESO are books and real life responsibilities.

And eventually TES 6... whenever that gets released...

While I like this game, don't expect anything larger than vvardenfell or wrothgar in regards to map size for the next chapter. Warden and battlegrounds were in the works a long time before morrowind so probably no new class with next chapter.

ZOS will probably add something in addition to the map like transmog(gear restyle) or maybe spellcrafting idk, but something else will be added to justify the ''chapter'' category, tbh I'm pretty sure that if ZOS could go back in time they would have made the Orsinium DLC a chapter.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Biased OP is biased ...

Very much so

Oberick wrote: »

Heck if your worried about players maybe worry about Eso because of the way trading is designed I have 2 guilds I'm in that have had hundreds of players not log in for the last 2 months including the leaders and stuff so I can't sell goods in them unless they come back, or I spend thousands in new guilds fees. This is on xbox btw so hopefully some come back in the new update.

The horde on the server that I've played WoW on was so dead that global market had less than 2 pages of items on it. Regardless WoW is not dead. What I'm trying to say is that personal experience does not translate into actual player numbers.

Oberick wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

ereboz wrote: »

With the MASSIVE announcement from Blizzcon this weekend, the next ESO chapter needs to be enormous if they want to maintain any kind of a player base. I'm getting tired of this 'new content' that's always the same thing; new zone, motifs, quests, dungeons, maybe a trial, etc. They need to add some content that lasts more than a couple weeks. I am definitely going back to WoW, hope to return to ESO if they ever give me a reason to

Meh. Nothing was said at Blizzcon this year that would drive me in the World of Warcraft direction. Sorry.

However, they did reveal something interesting, even if it was not the main message. By releasing a "Classic" version of the game on a "Classic" server, they are admitting that their direction has strayed away from what is a better game. Even as they talk about new island zones for Battle for Azeroth, they are conceding that the orignal game was, in some manner, better than what they have today. Yes, this is being done to monetize the brand, but if it were not true, it would not be a good way to raise money.

They aren't doing a classic server because they think the game is worse off now, they are doing so because WoW has always had problems with private servers and this is a way to shut the people up who play them as well as other players who cry when a new expansion comes out that changes something the love. With a classic server all the kids who claim to play private servers because it was a better game will have no excuse to not play legit wow. Then of course they will get sick of it in a year and go back to their private server(if its not shut down) and beg the gms for free items.

Wow hasn't reached its stabilization point like all mmos eventually do. It started with more subs than anyone and no mmo has been able to repeat its success.

Heck if your worried about players maybe worry about Eso because of the way trading is designed I have 2 guilds I'm in that have had hundreds of players not log in for the last 2 months including the leaders and stuff so I can't sell goods in them unless they come back, or I spend thousands in new guilds fees. This is on xbox btw so hopefully some come back in the new update.

You missed the point. This is just another step in a saga of mistakes that Blizzard has made with WoW. In a game that is moving forward and becoming better, no one really cares about the old versions of the game. To start a nostalgia server takes more than a few old people pining for the days of the original game. No matter who runs it. It really shines a light on how Blizzard has developed WoW in a direction and has not carried their players with it.

I see all this as more of a warning for studios like ZOS and publishers like Bethesda. I hope they don't get to the point where they feel it is necessary to open up a nostaglia server. At that point, they will have failed to build a game that is better than it used to be.

One might argue that ZOS has already passed that point. Some of the 1.x versions of the game are already heralded as being better, and people have already asked for a nostalgia server. What Blizzard is showing ZOS is what happens when development does not stop to see that the "right thing for the game" isn't actually the right thing for the game. ZOS needs to make sure that they are on the right road for the game, and constantly ask themselves whether they still are on that road. More than that, they need to actively convince the players that it is the right road. If they find out they are not on it, find out what the road should have been, and work to get there.

Tandor wrote: »

By extending level scaling in WoW across the entire game, it sounds to me like Blizzard are more scared of ZOS than the other way round ! It also sounds like the removal of PvP realms is a clear indication of huge realm mergers to come and those are always indicative of a major under-population problem. WoW might still have the best figures among Western MMOs, but we know that its population trend is moving in the opposite direction to ESO's and that must be a genuine concern for Blizzard - they're certainly taking some pretty decisive, and some would say desperate, measures to address it, with pretty lukewarm responses on the forums.

ESO is doing just fine, sure some players will switch to this or that game for a while as they always do, myself included (WoW being among them) but that doesn't mean they'll stop playing ESO or even suspend a subscription to it.

There's nothing in the Blizzcon announcement to make me more or less likely to dip in and out of WoW in the future, but this is my main MMO home right here and that will stay the case for a very long time.

They looked on how well one tamriel worked out, and one issue in wow is that the leveling zones is dead, back then I played server was well populated but I could play for a day in some of the leveling zones and not seeing other players.
Megaserver + one tamriel makes this an non issue in ESO.

Removing PvP realms? that is an major change.
Make me wonder if the new islands will work as pvp zone like cyrodil?

One major issue with pvp servers back then i played was that the level 85 solo end game area was tiny think clockwork city
you wanted to do dailies for reputation to buy some bis gear
Now the issue with an pvp server if your faction is weak is that you would be killed on entering, yes you could organize an group and take the place but place was design for daily quests not pvp raids. Enemies would just fly away so it would not be an good pvp kill zone either.

ereboz wrote: »

With the MASSIVE announcement from Blizzcon this weekend, the next ESO chapter needs to be enormous if they want to maintain any kind of a player base. I'm getting tired of this 'new content' that's always the same thing; new zone, motifs, quests, dungeons, maybe a trial, etc. They need to add some content that lasts more than a couple weeks. I am definitely going back to WoW, hope to return to ESO if they ever give me a reason to

uh. have we been following the same announcement? cause its literally new zones, new gear looks (aka motifs) new quests and dungeons and a raid (aka trial) yes, the scope of that expansion is larger then zos expacs, BUT. 1. it costs slightly more. 2. that game is subscription REQUIRED, while ESO is subscription optional

like.. I'm just trying to figure out how you see WoW continuing to do what they have been doing - innovative, while when ZOS does it - its same old, same old.

mind. blown.

P.S. I play both. I prefer ESO, nowadays. personaly. but that's cause i'm NOT a WoW tourist. you know that player who unhappy with direction of WoW, hopes for a WoW killer, visits aforementioned hopeful WoW killer, only to realize what they want is WoW, so they go back to WoW , proclaiming that the other game sucks. because its not WoW.

I think a lot of people are missing my point. I absolutely love this game and I will never stop playing. As a pve player I just want more to do. Logging on everyday and doing the same dungeons and same daily quests for not enough of a reward for someone who has been playing since first beta and has almost everything this content gives. I want to see random events, in game mounts, a better housing system, crafting skill increase, just something to work for instead of gearing up 16 characters.

not that many will run back to wow, unless they are on the fence here already about leaving, never was a wow fan myself so leaving eso for me is just leaving LOL

OP, you're funny. I love that basically everyone in the thread wants nothing to do with WoW anymore.