Add spell crit to Khajiit 'Carnage' passive ?

raviour · November 2017

It might not be lore friendly but us cats need a passive(s) stroke.

If health recovery was replaced with magicka recovery and spell crit was added to the carnage passive the Khajiit race could be amazing hybrids and more viable for players that want to use them as a magicka character.

Now that we have wardens that are designed to be able to be hybrids + all the new sets like shacklebreaker that are for hybrid builds we need a race that suits a hybrid build, I think Khajiits are up to the task.

Jamini · November 2017

I've been saying this for months.

altemriel · November 2017

khajiit approves!!

emilyhyoyeon · November 2017

since at least one khajiit type is apt in magic I think that's close enough to warrant spell critical too.

I know it's my own choice to pick khajiit but since 3/4 of mine are magicka based so I would appreciate it

Urza1234 · November 2017

I would totally love it if khajiit got some spell crit.

Heck cut the passive in half if you have to, as long as it gives both types of crit.

Or IMO change it to +5% crit damage.

VaranisArano · November 2017

Given that the type of Khajiit that is skilled in magic is about the size of a housecat (and also that racial passives really only matter for top-tier DPS comparisons and make your life a little easier in PVP), the current system seems pretty balanced IMO.

ArchMikem · November 2017

I don't even need to read the OP to say, YES IT NEEDS IT SO BAD.

I mean it's simply logical. Khajiit are naturally "precise", it should apply to whatever they do, blades or magic. People will claim Khajiit aren't meant to be Mages but that's not applicable, Khajiit have members of their Race that are just as Magically inclined as a Breton or even Altmer.

Besides my Khajiit Mages are starving for Spell Crit.

Enslaved · November 2017

in b4 "health regen is op hurr durr derp"

Jamini · November 2017

Going to also throw out there that of all the "stamina" races in-game, Khajiit have some of the highest percentage of spellcasters from their moonpriests.

Even Dominion Menders have a fairly high chance of being a Khajiit in cyrodiil.

Urza1234 · November 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Given that the type of Khajiit that is skilled in magic is about the size of a housecat (and also that racial passives really only matter for top-tier DPS comparisons and make your life a little easier in PVP), the current system seems pretty balanced IMO.

I would roll a house-cat sized magicka khajiit.

I would pay for a race change from a stam khajiit to a little kitty magicka khajiit.

I would buy hats for it.

SFDB · November 2017

Or we could divorce the major passives from race and move them to a "discipline" category that allows you to customize your build's focus, then you can make a hybrid any way you like.

Urza1234 · November 2017

SFDB wrote: »

Or we could divorce the major passives from race and move them to a "discipline" category that allows you to customize your build's focus, then you can make a hybrid any way you like.

Excuse me, this is not the place for logical game design, this is a thread about kitty kats.

Kolzki · November 2017

This one is a stamina nightblade crit dps because that is what khajiits do. This one would like to do other things like tanking or casting spells. Please give us khajiit some role flexability!

SaintSubwayy · November 2017

I dont like this idea, yes khajit needs a buff but dont change it to a hybridrace...here's why:

Khajit has been the no. 1 Stam DPS race since beginning, followed by Redguard, orc and Imp. (up until CWC)
with the CWC patch it fell behind Redguard, since DPS is the same but redguard is way more sustainable.

Imo Khajit needs a buff to Max resource, and maybe even krit modifier.

If some races would be more suitable for hybrid, then its breton, nord and maybe woodelf.

Why those 3?

these 3 races are prob the least used in the game. Giving them better Hybrid stats would make them more viable for PVP (PVE Hybrid is garbage anyways atm).

Arciris · November 2017

The thing is Khajiit used to have spell crit as well (it was increase your critical rating by 10% if i recall correctly).

There is no other race that has been as nerfed since beta than Khajiit: even their tails in character creation were nerfed (the posterior slider used to change the tail length, like in Argonians you can still use that same slider to customize the tail width)

There's only 2 races suitable for a hybrid style of play right now (Dunmer and Argonian), we could use a third.
Also there's only 4 races out of 10 suitable for magika (if we count Argonians), another one would be most welcome.

For those afraid of seeing Khajiit become the magika top DPS, please remember that, on top of the max magika %, the top 2 magika races also have % increase in damage (4% all elemental for Altmer and 7% flame and 2% the rest for Dunmer) so those 2 races would still be BIS for magika. I wouldn't mind if Bretons got a 3% more mag damage so they won't be behind the kitties tho.

Urza1234 · November 2017

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

I dont like this idea, yes khajit needs a buff but dont change it to a hybridrace...here's why:

Khajit has been the no. 1 Stam DPS race since beginning, followed by Redguard, orc and Imp. (up until CWC)
with the CWC patch it fell behind Redguard, since DPS is the same but redguard is way more sustainable.

Imo Khajit needs a buff to Max resource, and maybe even krit modifier.

If some races would be more suitable for hybrid, then its breton, nord and maybe woodelf.

Why those 3?

these 3 races are prob the least used in the game. Giving them better Hybrid stats would make them more viable for PVP (PVE Hybrid is garbage anyways atm).

Yeah, thats why I think changing it to %5 crit damage would be good, either magicka or stamina builds would benefit from it.

If you changed nothing else it would make khajiit usable as magicka dps,

Arciris wrote: »

I wouldn't mind if Bretons got a 3% more mag damage so they won't be behind the kitties tho.

Bretons do need some love, they used to be comparable to Altmer.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

Yes, please! A lot of people have been asking for the Carnage passive to get spell crit.

It would be a nice tweak to improve balance among racial passives. So those of us who play magicka build with Khajiit get a small boost, and I think especially good for Magicka NB.

But I don't quite follow what you mean about hybrids. This would not necessarily make Khajiit ideal hybrid race, and I don't find wardens to be particularly more suited for hybrids than other classes.

Hybrid builds will still be very challenging for endgame content, quite rare and I imagine more would use Dunmer instead of Khajiit anyways. But adding the spell crit to Khajiit passive will make it slightly easier for those playing any regular old magicka build with Khajiit.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · November 2017

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Imo Khajit needs a buff to Max resource, and maybe even krit modifier.

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I have always said they should have a buff to the Health Attribute to make them less fragile and more tanky, and the Khajiit race is the only race in the game that does not have an Attribute Bonus..

Mettaricana · November 2017

Urza1234 wrote: »

I would totally love it if khajiit got some spell crit.

Heck cut the passive in half if you have to, as long as it gives both types of crit.

Or IMO change it to +5% crit damage.

Id like to see khajiits get spell crit 4%

Then roll over a reversed for bretons give them spell crit woth a minor wep crit.

All the races could stand to get a lil more base perk love a 2% wep or spell dmg a small 2% crit type bonus.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · November 2017

Mettaricana wrote: »

Id like to see khajiits get spell crit 4%

Explain me, based on lore, why a Khajit should have a 4% spell crit based on race. They are not Bretons. Their race is far from Elves.

zaria · November 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Given that the type of Khajiit that is skilled in magic is about the size of a housecat (and also that racial passives really only matter for top-tier DPS comparisons and make your life a little easier in PVP), the current system seems pretty balanced IMO.

We have never seen an alfiq, that is unless some of the house cats with Khajiit names are alfiq.
Also something cat sized can not use weapons but you can use magic just as well.

Is it any other sources than mixed unit tactic?
Because of their small size you can bring them even if weak mages.
You could even go wow size pauldrons, making them turrets for alfiq mages. You could even have an healer in backback

Congratulation your proc set make you an dungeon group

Aliyavana · November 2017

The breed we see in eso is not an alfiq so they would need to retcon it so that khajiit have some gift in magika. I personally don't mind this as only 3 races are proficient in magic and the other 7 are stam races but they would need to add lore so that all breeds in khajiit are a bit talented at magic with alfiq the most talented and that can work. Tho any other retcons would see my fury unless they give a good explanation

Acrolas · November 2017

I'd be for adding morphs to all the racial passives. It would help build diversity, and give new life to any characters that have grown stale over the years.

And I can't say it would be hard to balance, because racial skill bonuses were never balanced to begin with.

mb10 · November 2017

J'zargo the OG from Skyrim disagrees about spell crit not being lore friendly!

Here he is incase you forgot:

Voxicity · November 2017

Yes yes and more yes

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Id like to see khajiits get spell crit 4%

Explain me, based on lore, why a Khajit should have a 4% spell crit based on race. They are not Bretons. Their race is far from Elves.

Because Khajiit likes to sneak...

Perhaps they are simply more nimble, more likely to surprise enemies and catch them off guard, so their higher crit modifier could apply equally to weapon crit and spell crit.

MrGarlic · November 2017

This one does not even waste skill points in Carnage.

Khajiit is magic vampire cat, sneaker of the night, nemesis of the unwary.

zaria · November 2017

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

Id like to see khajiits get spell crit 4%

Explain me, based on lore, why a Khajit should have a 4% spell crit based on race. They are not Bretons. Their race is far from Elves.

Explain the ESO racial passives based on lore would flop hard anyway. Not an lore expert but seems to be based more on racial description who is pretty much the same in Skyrim.

More fun if you try to match with
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Races and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Races
Why does Bosmer have high stamina sustain? Low endurance willpower and strength.
Note that TES racial passives was an strong starting bonus but this effect went down as you leveled up, its easier to level low skills, you are likely to focus on weak skills you need a lot, try carrying lot of loot as female Bosmer or Khajiit

ESO goes the opposite way and make it an end game bonus using the same racial description as Skyrim has in an competitive multiplayer game, I want to know that they smoked so I can avoid it.

On the other hand its not critical, your player skill is significantly more important, if your Khajiit magic user do 15K on dummy an race change to Altmer will let you do 16 perhaps 17.

On the gripping hand I think they should add sexual difference as its both lore friendly and realistic

Obviously males would do better with stamina and to balance women would do better with magic.
Say an 10% + or -

Shadzilla · November 2017

@raviour Not sure what kind of elder scrolls games you have played previously??? This race has always been proficient in stealth, thievery, and most importantly STAMINA based combat... By stamina based combat I refer to archery and melee combat. This is so clear in the elder scrolls series usually when creating a character using this race they LOSE magicka or willpower etc... There is no way ZOS would ever even consider this suggested change.

Ilithyania · November 2017

yes

NyassaV · November 2017

It used to increase all crit damage done in the past